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"Freedom Tower' To Be Renamed WTC 1

Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:31 am

There are news reports today and on Thrusday that the 'Freedom Tower', the tallest building to replace in part the World Trade Center towers in NYC destroyed in the 9/11 attacks is to be renamed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to World Trade Center One. In part it may be that the first commercial tenant to sign up is a China based real estate investment company. Of course in the NY Post and other media, there is a lot of complaints over this renaming. Here are some thoughts I posted on a political site:

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there were far too many politicans, both on the left and right, that stumbled over each other to prove their patriotism. That led to an overwhelming desire to overdo remembering those attacks like the naming of the largest tower of the new WTC to the 'Freedom Tower'.
The attacks of 9/11 were not because 'they' hated our freedom, it was that we (USA and Europe) repressed the of freedom of certain groups of persons especially as to certain practices of faith and political power with horrible dictators like the Shah in Iran and yes, Saddam Hussain. This was due to the fears of the USSR going into the middle east and controling the oil there.
The WTC is really for commerence and government agencies involved with it - it isn't about personal freedom unless you include the freedom of business to run and more recently ruin the lives of Billions throughout the world. To continue the use of a name freedom for a major part of the WTC is for all the wrong reasons.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:54 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there were far too many politicans, both on the left and right, that stumbled over each other to prove their patriotism. That led to an overwhelming desire to overdo remembering those attacks like the naming of the largest tower of the new WTC to the 'Freedom Tower'.

All true.

I for one did not like the idea of 1) calling the WTC replacement "Freedom Tower" or 2) Adding Liberty to the name of EWR. The latter in particular was ridiculous. What was the point?
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:23 pm



Quoting JM017 (Reply 1):
Adding Liberty to the name of EWR. The latter in particular was ridiculous. What was the point?

I actually like it. I don't think it has anything to do with 911. I always thought the name was in reference to the Statue of Liberty, the most famous New Jersey landmark.

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:33 pm

I prefer Trump's idea of building the same towers, but one floor taller. Though internally, his idea for the replacements would feature improved construction techniques.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:35 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
The attacks of 9/11 were not because 'they' hated our freedom, it was that we (USA and Europe) repressed the of freedom of certain groups of persons especially as to certain practices of faith and political power with horrible dictators like the Shah in Iran and yes, Saddam Hussain. This was due to the fears of the USSR going into the middle east and controling the oil there.

Wow..so now we're excusing the attacks and saying they were our own fault because we repressed someone's freedom?

The attacks of 9/11 were committed by terrorists who wanted to coerce us via terrorism into abandoning committments in the middle east and punish us for going to help in Saudi Arabia and staying in Kuwait afterwards. OBL was ok with us while we were supporting the Afghan insurgency, but when we set foot in his native country (with the intent of defending it) he got offended and when we set up permanent defences he got angry (because he's an Islamo-fascist and wants all the stuff they teach in the fanatic-run madrassahs to be law everywhere) and he decided to attack us. He was supported in this by the fascist fanatics in Afghanistan (and yes they were and are fanatics at the top levels, and they use the medievel peasantry to accomplish their goals through coercion and terrorism...because it's worked there for time immemorial). His methods are terrorism, and they've been supported by people around the world (like when Saddam sent cash to any family of Palestinean human bombers and let terrorists like Abu Nidal live in his country) who want to coerce others into abandoning practices that threaten the fascists who want to control their worlds.

9/11 was our fault as much as it was the fault of the Armenians that the Turks massacred them, or the Jews that the Germans massacred them. You can always find a reason for the mass murderers to have done what they did......
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:12 pm

I wouldn't worry to much about it. I'm sure by the time it opens it will be Verizon Tower or Geico Place or something of the sort.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:23 pm



Quoting JM017 (Reply 1):
dding Liberty to the name of EWR. The latter in particular was ridiculous. What was the point?

Other than on the radio traffic reports, I don't know of anyone who uses the word "Liberty" in the name of the airport. Then again, I still call that little air field on the Potomic "National Airport".

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
I don't think it has anything to do with 911. I always thought the name was in reference to the Statue of Liberty, the most famous New Jersey landmark.

It was done after 9/11, and was specifically renamed to commemorate the attacks:

http://www.allbusiness.com/operation...shipping-air-freight/244027-1.html

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The airport will now be called Newark Liberty International Airport, after a proposal by New York Gov. George Pataki and New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey to rename the airport Liberty International Airport to commemorate the 11 September terrorist attacks.

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:39 pm

It was a dumb idea, the former Twin Towers were known as World Trade Center One and World Trade Center Two. This "Freedom Tower" name was the idea of former New York Governor George Pataki who while having good intentions was devoid of good decisions.

The "Freedom" Tower is just too reminiscent of that whole "Freedom Fries" nonsense, I couldn't believe it when I walked into a deli near me in Colts Neck NJ and on the Menu they replaced French fries with "Freedom Fries". Stupid.

Quoting JM017 (Reply 1):
I for one did not like the idea of 1) calling the WTC replacement "Freedom Tower" or 2) Adding Liberty to the name of EWR. The latter in particular was ridiculous. What was the point?



Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
I actually like it. I don't think it has anything to do with 911. I always thought the name was in reference to the Statue of Liberty, the most famous New Jersey landmark.

Both ideas for renaming One World Trade Center the "Freedom Tower" and Newark "Liberty" International airport was New York Governor George Pataki, no New Jersey politician asked that Newark airport be renamed it was George Pataki who was on the whole Republican "Freedom" kick. He directed the Port Authority to make the Change of name to both facilities, New Jersey politicians did not object but again it was not their idea. The Governor of New York is responsible for renaming EWR.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
I prefer Trump's idea of building the same towers, but one floor taller.

Trump is not in the commercial end of real estate, he builds condos. He would be the last person you would want involved with the Rebuilding of the World Trade Center, he has no experience in office buildings, many of his properties are of not such high quality, and he just lost control of his casinos in Atlantic City because of poor management. But for some reason because he has a tv show (does anyone watch that anymore?) they think he's a genius.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:03 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
I prefer Trump's idea of building the same towers, but one floor taller.

Trump is not in the commercial end of real estate, he builds condos. He would be the last person you would want involved with the Rebuilding of the World Trade Center, he has no experience in office buildings, many of his properties are of not such high quality, and he just lost control of his casinos in Atlantic City because of poor management. But for some reason because he has a tv show (does anyone watch that anymore?) they think he's a genius.

While all that may be true, I don't think he was offering technical assistance with his idea. I fancy it though. The same towers, one floor taller. How is that for "in your face." Big grin
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:17 pm

Can someone tell me when it's going to be finished?
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:28 pm



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 9):
Can someone tell me when it's going to be finished?

Should be finished in 2013

Quick correction to the subject line, it will be renamed 1 World Trade Center, which is it's address I think.

I didn't really mind the name Freedom Tower, I just don't like the 19 story concrete base. It basically says that we're living in fear.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:31 pm

On the one hand, the whole "symbolic Freedom Tower stretching 1,776 feet high" idea that Pataki was wedded to was, and still is, ridiculous. But on the other, I'm not sure how I feel about the name World Trade Center One being used again, out of respect for those who lost their lives in a building of the same name. I'd be fine with calling it the World Trade Tower or something along those lines, or even the World Trade Center, but calling it WTC1 just seems kind of wrong.

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:38 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Trump is not in the commercial end of real estate, he builds condos. He would be the last person you would want involved with the Rebuilding of the World Trade Center, he has no experience in office buildings, many of his properties are of not such high quality, and he just lost control of his casinos in Atlantic City because of poor management. But for some reason because he has a tv show (does anyone watch that anymore?) they think he's a genius.



Quoting Captaink (Reply 8):
While all that may be true, I don't think he was offering technical assistance with his idea. I fancy it though. The same towers, one floor taller. How is that for "in your face." 

This is exactly right. I think Trump was proposing as an American, not as a businessman.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:58 pm

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 6):
Other than on the radio traffic reports, I don't know of anyone who uses the word "Liberty" in the name of the airport. Then again, I still call that little air field on the Potomic "National Airport".

CO flight announcements frequently include "with service to Newark Liberty..." and the gate FIDS usually (at least in the airports I've paid attention to) identify the destination city as "Newark-Liberty". It actually wasn't until this thread that I found out that the "Liberty" was added post-9/11

Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
The WTC is really for commerence and government agencies involved with it - it isn't about personal freedom unless

In our country the Government represents the people, and corporations are instruments of the people behind them -- be it a sole proprietor, a SBE, or a multinational. You have the freedom to start a company and to grow it to whatever proportions you desire, to be successful (or not), to take obscene risks (or not), to choose to work for a particular company or not, do do business with a particular orginization or not -- commerce is entirely about personal freedom.

That little rant aside, I think the "Freedom Tower" name isn't the best fit anyway -- kind of like the "American Flag" pin on politician's lapels, it just kind of screems "pandering".

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:01 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 10):
Should be finished in 2013

Thanks Max. Was that the intended date from the beginning or has it been pushed? (I thought it was supposed to be done much earlier?)
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:19 pm

I agree the constant use of the words "freedom" or "liberty" is just nonsense. The exceptions being the Liberty Bell in Philadelpia and the Statue of Liberty itself. My freedom or liberty is not being uphead by some high rise building or an airport. I also still refer to EWR as Newark Airport and as alreday mentioned I just can't bring myself to refer to DCA as anything other than "National Airport".

All this "liberty" this and "freedom" that was nothing but total BS by people/polictians from both sides and made most American sound foolish.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:24 pm



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 14):
Was that the intended date from the beginning or has it been pushed? (I thought it was supposed to be done much earlier?)

It was supposed to be done in 2009, then 1st quarter of 2011, then 2012, and now it should open to tenants in 2013. I think construction will be completed in 2012 though.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:57 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
I'm not sure how I feel about the name World Trade Center One being used again, out of respect for those who lost their lives in a building of the same name

I can think of no better tribute to the fallen than to rebuild both towers exactly as they were (with appropriate modifications to update the structure, etc)...heck, even with that extra floor that the Donald proposes.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:25 pm

What ever the name it is the plans for the new building look terrible, a hotchpotch of scaffolding that looks like it was put together sloppily and designed with little thought or imagination. I like plans to rebuild the World Trade Center like a lot of other people but the Port Authority of NY/NJ is opposed to rebuilding the twin towers.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:38 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
I prefer Trump's idea of building the same towers, but one floor taller. Though internally, his idea for the replacements would feature improved construction techniques.



Quoting Captaink (Reply 8):
While all that may be true, I don't think he was offering technical assistance with his idea. I fancy it though. The same towers, one floor taller. How is that for "in your face."

As much as I like the idea of rebuilding the towers as two middle fingers to cowardly, hole dwelling Osama Bin Laden I think the towers should take on a form that makes business sense today. The original towers were built in the 1970s and that was a different time economically for NYC than today.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:27 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
The attacks of 9/11 were not because 'they' hated our freedom, it was that we (USA and Europe) repressed the of freedom of certain groups of persons especially as to certain practices of faith and political power with horrible dictators like the Shah in Iran and yes, Saddam Hussain. This was due to the fears of the USSR going into the middle east and controling the oil there.

What?  confused 

Both WTC attacks were a result of our support and aid of Isreal and our stance with Isreal against AQ and any other radical Islamic organaztion. Can we dispense with the propaganda just once in this forum?

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
I prefer Trump's idea of building the same towers, but one floor taller. Though internally, his idea for the replacements would feature improved construction techniques

I said from the beginning we should have rebuilt them exactly as they were. Then once the last brick, bolt and slab of paint was thrown on it would have been the best symbol of this countries determination. Sure wish someone ran with it.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:53 pm

It's about time someone had some common sense. The official address of the building is One World Trade Center. The building sits on the site of the World Trade Center. The only suitable name for the building is the World Trade Center.

Failure to call the building the World Trade Center is considered giving in to terrorists.

No matter what they name the new building it would still be the World Trade Center as far as I am concerned. I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me. Even though the Sears Tower in Chicago has been renamed, I will always call it the Sears Tower. I also refer to DCA as "National" not Reagan.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:03 pm



Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):

The attacks of 9/11 were committed by terrorists who wanted to coerce us via terrorism into abandoning committments in the middle east and punish us for going to help in Saudi Arabia and staying in Kuwait afterwards.

I don't know what their agenda was. Nobody does and if you claim that you do, then I'm very curious to know how you know. I think when you get to the point where you're flying planes into buildings, you probably don't have much of a rational agenda.

You can't even listen to what OBL says. He speaks in nonsense. From what I've heard of his statements, I think he wants everyone who doesn't believe in pure shariah law to curl up and die a horrible death. I don't think there's anything he really wants the West to do or not do other than die horribly and burn in hell.

Either way, I was disgusted at the wave of patriotism that erupted after 9/11. People waving flags and bandying around "freedom" and "liberty" while giving up their rights, beating up little old ladies in head shawls, and invading small countries. "Freedom" and "Liberty" are words and nothing more. China's army is the "People's Liberation Army." Well, is it the "People's"? Who is it "Liberating"? You can't talk to me about "Freedom" and "Liberty" when the government can snoop my E-mails and phone calls or arrest me and detain me forever without charging me with a crime.

In Christianity there is this concept of "words without works." In common English, the phrase is, "You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?" I refused to fly an American flag for years after 9/11 because I was so ashamed that our country's reaction to that event was to do the most un-American things imaginable.

So I'm glad to hear that this is happening. On the day that this country can live up to its ideals, I'll be glad to talk about freedom and liberty.
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RE: "Freedom Tower' To Be Renamed WTC 1

Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:18 pm



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 17):
I can think of no better tribute to the fallen than to rebuild both towers exactly as they were (with appropriate modifications to update the structure, etc)...

Nor can I. And if they had done that, then I'd be fine with calling it the World Trade Center.

But, unfortunately, that's not what they're doing.

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:26 pm

Quoting Max550 (Reply 16):
It was supposed to be done in 2009, then 1st quarter of 2011, then

If the "Freedom" tower is done in 2013, it will truly be a miracle.

Ongoing lawsuits between design firms, construction companies, insurers, the city of New York, and the families of those murdered on 9/11 are likely to cause numerous starts and stops to the construction.

Furthermore, over 750 bones or bone fragments have been removed in the past year from a vacant skyscraper that the WTC south tower collapsed into because cleanup still has not been fully completed at damaged building on the site's outskirts. In all, some 20,000 pieces of human remains have been found since the collapse of the original towers , but the DNA in most of these bone fragments was too damaged to yield matches to victims. Everytime more bones are discovered, construction must be stopped while the authorities move in for a lengthy examination of the location of the discovery.

Also, the renamed Freedom tower will indeed be called "World Trade Center One", NOT "One World Trade Center". Personally, the site is a hallowed ground and outside of a memorial to those killed, nothing should be built on their bones IMO. I say that the authorities build new towers (with state of the art infrastructure) in the image of the old towers along the edge of the site where other WTC buildings have been torn down.

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:48 pm

Even if the Freedom Tower will be called the World Trade Center New York City still doesn't look the same without the original towers. The World Trade Center should've been rebuilt. The Freedom Tower doesn't seem to fit the NYC skyline. Even if the WTC towers were just two big grey buildings in the sky, the towers were still a symbol of America.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:41 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
is to be renamed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to World Trade Center One.

It was never officially named the freedom tower. It was only given that moniker by former NY governor Pataki and a couple of NY politicians to be "patriotic", and other people just followed the name. The Port Authority has always referred to the building as WTC 1.

Just for clarification, a story in the NY Times about the whole naming fiasco:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...3&sq=World%20Trade%20Center&st=cse

“Let’s talk about the reality of the real estate market and popular names,” Christopher O. Ward, the executive director of the authority, said at the question-and-answer session. “There are a lot of buildings that have popular names. If the Freedom Tower is the popular name as people think about this, that will be the choice of the people and how they think of downtown. On the other hand, this is a piece of real estate, it has an address; legally it is 1 World Trade Center.”
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:54 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
The "Freedom" Tower is just too reminiscent of that whole "Freedom Fries" nonsense, I couldn't believe it when I walked into a deli near me in Colts Neck NJ and on the Menu they replaced French fries with "Freedom Fries". Stupid

That is exactly what I thought when I saw the title of this thread. It's unfortunate that the word "freedom" was attached to so many things in the aftermath of the attacks on 9/11. The French fry thing was the most absurd but certainly not the only over-the-top use. I actually would like the name Freedom Tower had it not been for the above mentioned over-use and abuse of the term.
 
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
I prefer Trump's idea of building the same towers, but one floor taller. Though internally, his idea for the replacements would feature improved construction techniques.



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 25):

Even if the Freedom Tower will be called the World Trade Center New York City still doesn't look the same without the original towers. The World Trade Center should've been rebuilt. The Freedom Tower doesn't seem to fit the NYC skyline. Even if the WTC towers were just two big grey buildings in the sky, the towers were still a symbol of America.

Damn right!

I still want the Twin Towers to be rebuilt, and I am all in favor of them being taller to symbolize our defiance and resilience towards terrorism and anything anti-American!

Sorry, but they might as well rename this monstrosity going up in its place as "Al-Qaeda 'One' "  vomit  vomit  vomit 

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Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 25):
Even if the Freedom Tower will be called the World Trade Center New York City still doesn't look the same without the original towers. The World Trade Center should've been rebuilt. The Freedom Tower doesn't seem to fit the NYC skyline. Even if the WTC towers were just two big grey buildings in the sky, the towers were still a symbol of America.

And change happens. Embrace it.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 24):

Ongoing lawsuits between design firms, construction companies, insurers, the city of New York, and the families of those murdered on 9/11 are likely to cause numerous starts and stops to the construction.

This is why I believe that New York stands to lose its position as a major center of culture. The place has gotten to the point where nothing can be built, nothing can be fixed, nothing can be changed, nothing can be done.

And it's why I got the hell out.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 24):
Personally, the site is a hallowed ground and outside of a memorial to those killed, nothing should be built on their bones IMO.

For how long? Everywhere someone dies we can't build anything ever, for the entire future of human civilization?

That's a great way to run out of space.
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:37 am

Well, on a lighter note, I guess Braveheart was wrong.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
For how long? Everywhere someone dies we can't build anything ever, for the entire future of human civilization?

Doc, I look at the WTC site through the same filter as I look at Valley Forge National Battlefield or Gettysburg or the USS Arizona memorial. It should be safeguarded and memorialized forever because of what has happened there.
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Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
, I'm not sure how I feel about the name World Trade Center One being used again, out of respect for those who lost their lives in a building of the same name.

All the Buildings at the World Trade Center have the numbers as they did before, in fact the first building to have been rebuilt at the World Trade Center is the last building to have been built at the World Trade Center. It was also the last building to collapse on September 11th, at about 4PM in the Afternoon Seven World Trade Center collapsed. Seven World Trade Center is the first building to have been rebuilt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
I think Trump was proposing as an American, not as a businessman.

In all honesty no, he was putting himself over by throwing his name behind something that would give him publicity. The guy is an ego maniac who needs his name out there on crappy tv shows or in public disputes with Rosie O'Donnell.

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 15):
I also still refer to EWR as Newark Airport and as alreday mentioned I just can't bring myself to refer to DCA as anything other than "National Airport".

I remember when they changed the name in 2002, I thought they made a huge mistake letting Pataki name EWR during that whole "Freedom", "Liberty" etc.. kick Politicians (especially Republicans) were on after 9/11.

At the time I was strongly advocating on a thread here about the renaming that instead of adding the name "Liberty" to Newark Airport to honor those who gave their lives on 9/11 they should have instead honored the heros of United flight #93, as we all know United flight #93 was a 757 en route from EWR-SFO when it was hijacked. It's target was the Capital in Washington DC, however thanks to the heroic actions of it's passengers the hijackers were forced to abort their mission and nose the plane into the ground in Western Pennsylvania. One of the organizers of the passenger revolt according to GTE operators who were in communications with the passengers was a man named Todd Beamer from Cranbury, New Jersey.

Todd Beamer's last audible words heard by the GTE operators was "Are you guys ready, Let's roll".

To honor the passengers of UA flight #93 and specifically a New Jersey resident's prominent roll as being the first Americans to fight back against Al Qaeda the Port Authority should have renamed EWR "Todd Beamer International Airport".

Todd Beamer International Airport would be a much more fitting tribute to the actions of ordinary Americans that day than to name it "Liberty" airport, but that's what happens when New Jersey lets the Governor of New York name their airport.

And besides JFK and LGA are named after people so why not EWR.
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):

Since Tom Burnett used to live in Minnesota it would be a great idea if MSP was changed to Minneapolis/St. Paul Tom Burnett International Airport. A long name for an airport but a great way to honor those of UA 93.
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Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 33):
Since Tom Burnett used to live in Minnesota it would be a great idea if MSP was changed to Minneapolis/St. Paul Tom Burnett International Airport. A long name for an airport but a great way to honor those of UA 93.

To honor the passengers of UA flt # 93 I would have renamed EWR "Todd Beamer International AIrport" (New Jersey resident) and SFO "Mark Bingham International airport" (Northern California resident).

While we're on the subject of United flight #93 here's a great article from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, great piece!

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:31 am

Adding Liberty to the formal name may be in part to recognize the loss of New Jersey resident Todd Beemer and others from the region who were murdered in the 9/11 attacks yet not make the name too long. Of course the irony is that there are few 'liberties' at airports today due to post-9/11 security. The additional name may have also been in part as Newark and New York may sound similar in pronouncation although they are two different places albeit close together. Newark was the first scheduled service commercial airport to serve the NY City metro area, in 1928 long before LGA (1939) and JFK (1948).
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As to the dropping of the name 'Liberty Tower' and going with the One WTC, there will be the massive memorial sites on the footprints of the former twin towers. To me the renaming makes business sense as well as acknowlege the true past history of the site.
 
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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 28):
I still want the Twin Towers to be rebuilt, and I am all in favor of them being taller to symbolize our defiance and resilience towards terrorism and anything anti-American!

My open question to the US as a nation would be why has it take so long, should the Federal govt. have been involved in ensuring that all remain focus on the fact that this was also an attack on the nation and not just some business people in the city of New York?

The history of the US does not lead one to believe that almost 8 years after folks are still undecided on what to do. The legal arguments as it relates to court cases are a red herring, American's shoudl be able to get together after an event like this to rebuild something on your own soil in defiance of those attackers.

How should the failure to rebuild in a timely fashion be looked at by non-American's, a new Yankee stadium is slated to open next month, when exactly did they commence construction.
 
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 36):

How about the question:

Suppose UA93 wasn't taken over and it had crashed into the Capitol (as it has been suggested that THAT very building was that hijacked flight's "final destination")? How long would it take for them to rebuild that, also a symbol of this country? Would they rebuild it? We've already rebuilt the part of the Pentagon that collapsed, have we not?

I think it's similar reason for rebuilding our Twins. Anyone agree?
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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 37):
Suppose UA93 wasn't taken over and it had crashed into the Capitol (as it has been suggested that THAT very building was that hijacked flight's "final destination")? How long would it take for them to rebuild that, also a symbol of this country? Would they rebuild it? We've already rebuilt the part of the Pentagon that collapsed, have we not?

I think it's similar reason for rebuilding our Twins. Anyone agree?

If the USA Capital had been successfully hit by UA93, it would have been rebuilt very quickly, to exactly the same appearance inside and out due to it's symbolic importance. The Pentagon attack was quickly fixed as only a tiny part was damaged, the design of the structure made it easier and at the time, the entire building was being heavily renovated in a multi-year plan, as well as a military facility, a lot less politics in it's repair. The WTC in comparision had way too much politics, too many parties and politicans involved, a lot of engineering delays, too many lawsuits, a need to placate victims' families, especially as to the siteing of the memorial. Even after well set plans were done, the NY City Police Dept. forced changes for security which added over 1 year of delay. Then you have what will be the most complicated and layered construction project to ever be done in the USA and it is no wonder it has taken so long to replace the WTC complex.
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:07 am

Freedom Tower was perhaps not the best name...but WTC 1 is a lot worse.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:30 am

Here's the name announcement of the WTC.com website.

Source: http://www.wtc.com/news/freedom-tower-has-a-new-preferred-name
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:29 pm



Quoting JFKMan (Reply 39):
.but WTC 1 is a lot worse.

One World Trade Center is the original name.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:41 pm



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 9):
Can someone tell me when it's going to be finished?

I believe the timetable is for external construction to be completed in late 2012, with internal completion and occupancy mid-2013. Of course, occupancy was supposed to be in summer of 2012 as of just a few months ago, so who can say? Supposedly all construction on the WTC site and the "Fulton Transportation Hub" was supposed to be done by 2012, but that's not going to happen. As a resident of Lower Manhattan, I can say that most of us down here are so thoroughly sick of the never-ending construction (well, the never-ending lack of construction) that there may not be anyone down here by then.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 24):
I say that the authorities build new towers (with state of the art infrastructure) in the image of the old towers along the edge of the site where other WTC buildings have been torn down.

Polls after 9/11 consistently showed that that's what the majority of New Yorkers wanted - the Twin Towers back, externally looking as close to the originals as possible but with the latest technology inside. Unfortunately George Pataki and his cronies don't give a crap what anyone actually wants, so he went ahead with his "Freedom Tower"...which, since his pet architect Daniel Libeskind is an incompetent hack, had to be substantially modified, adding to the interminable delays.

The whole thing is a monument to Pataki's ego, and should be scrapped. At least the insufferably jingoistic name is being dropped. Now if we could get Newark Airport back to being just "Newark Airport"...
 
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Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 42):
Supposedly all construction on the WTC site and the "Fulton Transportation Hub" was supposed to be done by 2012, but that's not going to happen.

2011 for the memorial
2012 One World Trade Center ready for first tenant
2013 for the Transportation hub
???? for World Trade Center Towers 2,3,4,5

Construction on the foundations of World Trade Center towers 2,3 and 4 are on going. However the completion dates for Towers 2 and 3 are uncertain due to the economic crisis especially in the Financial community who were to be the main tenants. Tower 4 already has their main tenant, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey who own the World Trade Center Site will be the main occupant of World Trade Center Tower 4. The Port Authority's former Headquarters was One World Trade Center, after their headquarters was destroyed they established a temporary headquarters on Park Ave South.

World Trade Center Tower 5 currently is where the Deutsche Bank Building is being dismantled, the new building that would take it's place was to be the new home of JP Morgan Chase. However as a result of JP Morgan's acquisition of Bear Stearns in March 2008 they have acquired Bear Stearn's former Headquarters in Mid town and are using that facility, unless the State, City, Feds and Port Authority come up with some incredible incentives (Subsidies) for the come I don't see them moving to World Trade Center 5. Which means World Trade Center 5 may become residential.

Recent site photo:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=278996&postcount=319

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Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 42):
Polls after 9/11 consistently showed that that's what the majority of New Yorkers wanted - the Twin Towers back, externally looking as close to the originals as possible but with the latest technology inside. Unfortunately George Pataki and his cronies don't give a crap what anyone actually wants, so he went ahead with his "Freedom Tower"...which, since his pet architect Daniel Libeskind is an incompetent hack, had to be substantially modified, adding to the interminable delays.

The whole thing is a monument to Pataki's ego, and should be scrapped. At least the insufferably jingoistic name is being dropped. Now if we could get Newark Airport back to being just "Newark Airport"...

I agree whole-heartedly with you there. They really should just dub this whole monstrosity as Pataki center...  sarcastic 

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 38):
The WTC in comparision had way too much politics, too many parties and politicans involved, a lot of engineering delays, too many lawsuits, a need to placate victims' families, especially as to the siteing of the memorial. Even after well set plans were done, the NY City Police Dept. forced changes for security which added over 1 year of delay. Then you have what will be the most complicated and layered construction project to ever be done in the USA and it is no wonder it has taken so long to replace the WTC complex.

I guess this is a lesson we will never learn -- when politics interferes with anything, nothing gets done, and the problem only gets bigger...
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Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:55 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):

Criminal.

Absolute BS. The PC crowd wins again, so they rent the space to the Chinese.

Paid in blood, repaid in $$$.

Shameful.
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Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:31 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 45):
Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):

Criminal.

Absolute BS. The PC crowd wins again, so they rent the space to the Chinese.

Paid in blood, repaid in $$$.

Shameful.

It was always called One World Trade Center, this "Freedom Tower" thing was from Pataki trying to show how patriotic he was for a possible Presidential Run that never got going.

If there were to be a building named "Freedom Tower" build it in Memphis to remember the life of Doctor Martin Luther King and the march to Freedom for African Americans in this Country. "Freedom Tower" doesn't make sense in the Financial Capital.
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Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:28 am



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 42):
The whole thing is a monument to Pataki's ego, and should be scrapped.

That's the exact same horsehonkey that's been delaying this project in the first place. Who cares why it's being built or whose ego is carrying the weight? The fact is that this tower has symbolic importance and it doesn't matter WHAT it looks like (within reason) or WHO runs it as long as it is tall, defines the skyline, and gets built quickly.

Right now, the raw hole in the ground that is there is not an acceptable way to commemorate the events that occurred there.
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