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Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:19 am

Do you plan to sail on the new huge generation of cruise ships, does this appeal to you?

What do you feel is the future of cruising and the size of future cruise ships?

I would like to sail ships like the Oasis of the Seas and the Norwegian Epic, I like having plenty of activities to do for cruises of 7 days or more. I will book a cruise for these ships as soon as I can.
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Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:57 am

I would much rather take one of the Cunard ships across the Atlantic. Cruise ships are fun, but there's something special about boarding a ship in a city and knowing that you won't be returning to the same spot in four days on the same ship..but with a tan.
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Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:12 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 1):
I would much rather take one of the Cunard ships across the Atlantic. Cruise ships are fun, but there's something special about boarding a ship in a city and knowing that you won't be returning to the same spot in four days on the same ship..but with a tan.

When I've been on cruises, I usually enjoy my time aboard the ship more than I enjoy my time in port. You are so limited as to what you can do in port and it's all touristy crap. But the days at sea are great. Relax, read, do ship-board activities, go to classes, stare at the ocean.

One of my favorite days aboard a ship was the Legend of the Seas through the Panama Canal. Fantastic scenery, but we never got off the ship.
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Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:17 am

I'd honestly prefer to cruise on a Windstar ship or something smaller with a higher level of luxury than a RCCL ship.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:58 am

Made in Finland, problems to get them out of the Baltic sea with all the bridges are being built
around Denmark.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:19 am

Oasis of the seas is going to be amazing - sign me up.

Norwegian Epic is butt-ugly though. I dont like NCL anyway - crews are not as nice/helpful.

Give me a nice Holland-America or P&O boat any day.
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Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:37 am

I've never been on a proper cruise, and it's something I'd like to try. The nearest I've gotten is probably going from Port Everglades to Grand Bahama Island, on a cruise ship (the trip was marketed as a mini-cruise). In reality, though the ship was a (fairly old) cruise ship, it was a ferry service, and only served to take us from Port Everglades to the Bahamas, where we stayed for a few days. Crowded and very boring, mind you.

Still, I'm not a fan of the mass-produced holidays concept, and if I were to go on a cruise, I'd like it to be on a smaller ship, and I'd like to try out a longer triå. I've looked at the Seabourn Cruises website, and it looks really nice. The ships are alot smaller, AFAIK none take more than a few hundred PAX. A trip from Hong Kong to Piraeus, Greece in cheapest cabin with a balcony is €21.000. That's alot of money, but considering that it gives you a decent home for the next five weeks and takes you to Vietnam, Thailand, India, Dubai, Egypt and Israel, it's not totally over the top. Better start saving up!

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 4):
Made in Finland, problems to get them out of the Baltic sea with all the bridges are being built
around Denmark.

Really? I'd think with the 4 km tunnel there would be plenty of space to sail through Öresund if the ship is too large to fit under the bridge. But, perhaps the tunnel isn't deep enough?

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:20 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):

Norwegian Epic is butt-ugly though

Epic Fail is right. It looks like a large, retarded child. And with the motel looking courtyards and those overdone public rooms it's likely going to be a favorite of Union Locals nationwide (4000 at a pop, as well).

I can't imagine a worse vacation.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 1):
You are so limited as to what you can do in port and it's all touristy crap

Unless you play golf, scuba, tennis, parasail, waveriders, hike, volleyball on the beach......
 
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Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:43 am



Quoting Doona (Reply 6):
Really? I'd think with the 4 km tunnel there would be plenty of space to sail through Öresund if the ship is too large to fit under the bridge. But, perhaps the tunnel isn't deep enough?

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Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:54 am



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
Norwegian Epic is butt-ugly though. I dont like NCL anyway - crews are not as nice/helpful.

DAMN. That IS ugly...looks like a ship that was expanded later on in life.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:43 am

While the name means "big," I think that the Epic is only comparable to RCCL's Freedom class ships, as they are all around the same tonnage.

I'd like to know carnival's position on this. While they may not have the biggest of ships, at least their entire fleet an still get into most all ports.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:05 am



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
Oasis of the seas is going to be amazing - sign me up.

Good news for future cruisers - the building of the ship is almost on schedule (2 or 3 days late), although there have been some problems with misplaced holes for tubing through the decks, and there's been a problem with painting the "amphitheatre" in open cold air.

The bad news is that more similar orders for the yard don't seem to be arriving after these 2 Oasis class ships. link (Finn.)
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:21 am

Im looking forward to Oasis and Epic. Also Celebrity Equinox. Whenever there is a new ship launched its an exciting time.
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:36 am

In other news, T minus 14 days until I leave for my cruise. Big grin
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:57 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
Norwegian Epic is butt-ugly though

That is the understatement of the century! It looks like some 20 year old ferry! Yuuuuck! yuck 

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:09 pm

I think its the top bit at the front that makes it look weird. The rest is ok.

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Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:46 pm



Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):

Do you plan to sail on the new huge generation of cruise ships, does this appeal to you?

I am hoping to go on Oasis for my honeymoon in October, 2010. That is going to be an awesome ship, and my first cruise ever! My fiancee was on 2 cruises before. She was on Norwegian back in January 2005 as well as on RCL's Navigator of the Seas back in 2003.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:52 pm



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 11):
The bad news is that more similar orders for the yard don't seem to be arriving after these 2 Oasis class ships. link (Finn.)

I thought that there was a forth Freedom class ship for 2011 after the Genesis ships were completed.
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:55 pm

I'll stick with the small ships, like the Former Renaissance Lines ships, now part of Oceania and Princess . . .

I don't want to be but a number on my cruise. I don't want to have to wear a tux when I cruise.

I like Princess, but hazard to get aboard anything with 2000 pax or more.

And nothing on the high seas today looks particularly "different". All boxes on hulls and that's about it. Even the newest Cunard ship, long the hallmark of the ocean, are the same old thing.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:09 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Oceania

Welcome back ANCFlyer. Id love to go on the Regatta and the dress code is country casual which is nice .



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Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:13 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Welcome back ANCFlyer. Id love to go on the Regatta and the dress code is country casual which is nice .

This former R class ships are exceptional. One of the biggest draws for me on them is the dress code. Another . . . NO KIDS!!!!

I prefer the 7000 series cabins, particularly 7001.

The guys that ran Renaissane before 9/11 are also running Oceania. Best cruise I ever had was the Western Med.

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:26 pm

I have been partial to Holland America for the past 15 or so years, they haven’t gone the huge mega ship route.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Welcome back ANCFlyer

That goes for me too, welcome back.

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Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:30 pm



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 21):
I have been partial to Holland America for the past 15 or so years, they haven't gone the huge mega ship route.

Yes I like HAL also. I was on the Eurodam launch, really nice ships and homely furnishings.
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:35 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
And nothing on the high seas today looks particularly "different". All boxes on hulls and that's about it. Even the newest Cunard ship, long the hallmark of the ocean, are the same old thing.

I disagree the Disney ships are very elegant and don't look like a block of flats on a hull. The twin funnels and cruiser stern give those boats great lines, very reminiscent of an ocean liner rather than a cruise ship.

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:49 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):

I thought that there was a forth Freedom class ship for 2011 after the Genesis ships were completed.

According to project manager Ilvonen: "there's nothing in our order book at 18 months from now", and that some major structural components builders have already been laid off.

Turun Sanomat, the local newspaper in Turku, has it (3 March 2009) that there'll be no fourth Freedom class ship built. link (Finn.)

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Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:51 pm

Having been on one cruise I think I would prefer a much smaller ship and therefore I would love to take this cruise down the Nile:

http://www.oberoizahra.com/Hotel/Hotel-Overview.aspx

I just need to wait until I've done well in school, gone to a good university, gotten a good position in a global company and then worked there long enough to afford this.  Yeah sure

Or I could ask my parents very very nicely, but even if they went, they wouldn't take me!

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:57 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
the Disney ships

Disney Ships - Rug Rats. I don't do kids.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
don't look like a block of flats on a hull. The twin funnels and cruiser stern give those boats great lines, very reminiscent of an ocean liner rather than a cruise ship.

Agreed . . . . and their building a couple more . . . wonder what they'll look like?

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Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:59 pm

Ok I'll see what my guy in Finland has to say, I thought we had already signed a letter of intent for this ship. The company I work for have sold equipment for all ships build at STX in Finland. Bugger I can't get used to calling it STX, I don't understand why the EU allowed the AKER Yards to be sold to the Koreans, IMO this is the begining of the end of cruise ship building in Finland and France. I don't see the STX yards in France and Finland staying open in the long term, they only bought Aker Yards to get experience in cruise ship building, when they learn all the tricks they will close down the Euro yards and build them in Korea.
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:16 pm



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 24):
"there's nothing in our order book at 18 months from now",

Yes RCI is going to be making alot of cuts.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
Disney Ships - Rug Rats. I don't do kids.

Yeah you dont want screaming kids around you when your on vacation. I didnt know Oceania was NO kids !! Its on my top list now lol....
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:23 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 28):
Yeah you dont want screaming kids around you when your on vacation. I didnt know Oceania was NO kids !! Its on my top list now lol....

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I don't know what your preference of cabins is, but if you like the "Captain's View" and can afford it, try the suite, 7001. If not there are two Balcony Cabins on deck 6 and deck 7 directly beneath the bridge.

I still remember sipping my coffee, smoking my cigar, and pulling in to Gibraltar at 0600 several years ago . . . . whilst sitting on my balcony, with nothing on but a smile and a towel.

I know the visual is really ugly, but you get the drift.  biggrin 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:06 am

I think their is value on all ship sizes and I like that. Small ships are good for unbusy ports and exclusive places where 70,000+ ton ships can't dock and also for 2 and 3 night cruises.
I think large ships are good for 7, 8 day cruises where their are several "days at sea" and their are plenty of activities to do.
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Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:22 am



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 27):
I don't see the STX yards in France and Finland staying open in the long term, they only bought Aker Yards to get experience in cruise ship building, when they learn all the tricks they will close down the Euro yards and build them in Korea.

I'm afraid you are right  Sad I live close to the former Aker Yards in Helsinki, all soon history...
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Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:24 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
Disney Ships - Rug Rats. I don't do kids.

More like the "daycare ships." That would certainly make for one interesting honeymoon tho.

"So, honey, you wanna have kinds someday?" Huh?  Wink

I'd like to have my first cruise on one of these big ships. I'd like to be on a ship with a crap-load of stuff to do onboard. I looked at an early itenerary for the week of Oct 23, 2010. The ports of call include Sts Thomas and Maarten, both ideal snorkelling locations, as well as Nassau. That's what I'd like to do on a cruise: hit the disco, walk through Central Park, do the zipline and do much of the other fun stuff onboard, as well as go snorkelling and swim on the beaches. Yep, I cannot wait!!!  hyper  hyper 

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Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:33 am



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 32):
"So, honey, you wanna have kinds someday?" Huh?

NOOOO! She says, screaming as she runs for the adult only pool or your private quarters . . . .

LMAO!!

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 32):
Sts Thomas

Leve there immediately and grab the DHC 6 Otter over to St. Croix. Say hi to my retired Marine Corps Sergeant Major friend that owns the King's Alley where you will dock and enjoy the slower pace if STX . . . then get back to STT in time for the last run thru the jewelry stores.

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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
She says, screaming as she runs for the adult only pool or your private quarters . . . .

LMAO!!

What?!! A leap of faith overboard isn't an option?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
Leve there immediately and grab the DHC 6 Otter over to St. Croix. Say hi to my retired Marine Corps Sergeant Major friend that owns the King's Alley where you will dock and enjoy the slower pace if STX . . . then get back to STT in time for the last run thru the jewelry stores.

Heh, thanks for the tip, but my fiancee already got a taste of St Thomas, and she told me that was her favorite place in the Caribbean that she's been to so far.  Smile

I'll be happy with just seeing those 3 islands tho. Heck, I'm 25, and I only got to see about 13 states, plus Niagara Falls, Canada. I had a chance to fly to Italy back in 2002 with my mom while singing with some members of the Pittsburgh Diocesan Choir. Money, money, and 9-11, as well as a California trip -- switched to a bus trip to Orlando-due to 9-11...put an end to that...

Huge regret now...  banghead 

I have a cousin who is younger than I am and he got to see much more than I did. He's been across the country and over to Germany already. Oh well... I'll get to see much more of the world eventually I guess...  optimist 
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Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:04 am

Kid cruises are a pain the kids run into your knees or run around you and make a lot of noise, I know, I have been through it.
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Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:55 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 32):
I'd like to have my first cruise on one of these big ships. I'd like to be on a ship with a crap-load of stuff to do onboard. I looked at an early itenerary for the week of Oct 23, 2010. The ports of call include Sts Thomas and Maarten, both ideal snorkelling locations, as well as Nassau. That's what I'd like to do on a cruise: hit the disco, walk through Central Park, do the zipline and do much of the other fun stuff onboard, as well as go snorkelling and swim on the beaches. Yep, I cannot wait!!!  

Whatever floats your boat (no pun intended.)  

RCCL has all the neat toys, but not everyone wants them, or needs them. Although, from what I understand, NCL is the only one with a BOWLING ALLEY on their ships, which is what I'd go for.  Everything else is just filler.

Also, check this MSNBC original, that is along the same lines the one they did on AA:

{USA only, as far as I know.)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/64392/cnbc...-money-on-the-high-seas#s-p1-so-i0

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Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:36 pm



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 32):
That's what I'd like to do on a cruise: hit the disco, walk through Central Park, do the zipline and do much of the other fun stuff onboard,

Yeah I cant wait to see that also. I like all the ships I go on. They each have their own pros and cons. I just love being on ships lol...
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:49 pm

The excitement is mounting as we reveal more about the new Norwegian Epic, including the most expansive Aqua Park at sea.


The Aqua Park takes NCL Freestyle Cruising® to another level with the three thrilling water slides including the industry's only Tube Slide and the largest inner-tube slide at sea - The Epic Plunge. After taking the plunge, you can scale the heights on the 64-foot wide Extreme Rock Climbing Wall or strike lucky on one of six bowling lanes in two unique venues.


In addition to seven decks of Freestyle Family Fun, Norwegian Epic will have 18 bars and lounges and 17 dining options - the most at sea.


Visit our brand new Norwegian Epic website www.epic.ncl.com now.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:03 pm

I've seen the Disney up close in Port Canaveral and man they are huge. Same goes for the RCL ships.

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Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:33 am

When I was 8 in 1987, I remember Premier Cruise Lines as the official cruise line of Disney World and me and my family went on the ship as part of travel package. I remember how big the ship the SS Starship Oceanic was/is at less than 40,000 GRT but just wait for the successor to the current 83,000 ton Disney Magic and Disney Wonder, the Disney Dream and Fantasy for 2011 and 2012 will be 128,000 tons!
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Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:55 am



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 40):

I know one of the execs of the defunct Premier cruise lines. Richard Niernberg. I know that family and its a shame Premier went under.

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Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 41):

His name was Bruce Nierenberg and I know the family quite well. Heres a recent article written up by him:

http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/feature/nierenberg.cfm

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Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:44 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 27):
Ok I'll see what my guy in Finland has to say, I thought we had already signed a letter of intent for this ship.

Doubt if he'll have anything to add to the published info. There was a letter of intent, but intents don't necessarily come true. What is interesting is that RCI has a Finnish State export guarantee for EUR 2,000,000,000 on these 2 ships and on some (not made explicit) of the already sailing ones combined. RCI will have to make a down payment of either 20% or 5% on the delivery of the Oasis ships, nobody seems to know which one.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas And The Norwegian Epic

Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:08 pm

My guy in Finland pretty much said what you have said but also added just wait and see.
 
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For those that like smaller intimate ships the Silversea Prince Albert is supposed to be unique.








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