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USSR's Army After The Breakup?

Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:47 pm

When the USSR broke up they had a huge standing army. Countries such as Ukraine became independent countries that had their own armies. How did these new country's armies populate their ranks? Example: A Soviet soldier was serving in Ukraine at the time the Soviet Union fell and Ukraine became another country. Did that soldier stay in the Russian Army and go back to Russia or did he become a soldier for Ukraine. If he was from Ukraine I could see that he would want to do that, but what if he was from Russia. So I guess my question is how did the break up of the Soviet Union work out in regards to the military.

On another related topic. When the Germany reunited did the DDR's Army integrated into the FRD's Army or did the DDR guys just lose their jobs and go home?
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RE: USSR's Army After The Breakup?

Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:23 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
How did these new country's armies populate their ranks?

Russian soldiers became members of the Russian Army, Kazakh soldiers became members of the Kazakh Army, Ukrainian soldiers became members of the Ukrainian Army, and so on. The military hardware was divided up, though I'm not sure how that was done.

Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
On another related topic. When the Germany reunited did the DDR's Army integrated into the FRD's Army or did the DDR guys just lose their jobs and go home?

As far as I know, something like 90% of the Nationale Volksarmee officers/NCO's were laid off, with the remainders staying on after being demoted.

All the NVA equipment was transferred to the Bundeswehr, including some MiGs.
 
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RE: USSR's Army After The Breakup?

Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:06 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 1):
As far as I know, something like 90% of the Nationale Volksarmee officers/NCO's were laid off, with the remainders staying on after being demoted.

What about the enlisted men? That sucks losing your job because your country changed.
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RE: USSR's Army After The Breakup?

Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:37 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2):
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 1):
As far as I know, something like 90% of the Nationale Volksarmee officers/NCO's were laid off, with the remainders staying on after being demoted.

What about the enlisted men? That sucks losing your job because your country changed.

First, the combined Bundeswehr /NVA made Germany with by far the largest military in Europe (almost half a million soldiers). Most of our neighbours were, understandably concerning our history, slightly worried about it. Part of the 4 plus 2 agreements was that reunited Germany would have to reduce it's armed forces to below 130000 men.
Since most enlisted men in both the NVA and the Bundeswehr were conscripts, part of the reduction was made by shortening the military service and not calling up certain generations. E.g. I wasn't even medically checked, since those West Berliners, born before 1970 (we were excempt from military service in West Berlin due to Allied law banning all German military in West Berlin up to 1990) were not called up anymore. In any case, art this time I was already married, with a child, so they would have had to pay me full soldier's pay (enough to feed a family) instead of the pocket money they usually pay to a single conscript. On the other hand, West germans, who were already in the Bundeswehr and who deserted or went AWOL to West Berlin suddenly found themselves hunted down by the German military police (Feldjäger), no matter how old they were and forced to finish their military service.

Concerning the officers of the NVA you'll have to understand that one condition to become a career officer or NCO in the NVA usually meant that you had to be card carrying and more than a little active communist party member in the GDR and as such considered unreliable by the Bundeswehr.

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RE: USSR's Army After The Breakup?

Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:36 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 1):
Russian soldiers became members of the Russian Army, Kazakh soldiers became members of the Kazakh Army, Ukrainian soldiers became members of the Ukrainian Army, and so on. The military hardware was divided up, though I'm not sure how that was done.

That is not entirely correct, as a Russian contingent remained to most (if not all) of the former occupied territories. The last Russian troops left Estonia, for example, on August 30, 1994, a few days more than three years after Estonia became independent. (I remember distinctly how one of the train cars that passed through the railway next to my house had a message in Russian painted on it, saying "We'll be back". I have been hoping for nearly 15 years that it was just a bad joke.)

Georgia only got rid of Russian bases on their territory in 2005, only to fall under Russian attack again in 2008 that put them back in square one.
 
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RE: USSR's Army After The Breakup?

Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:17 am

I know that in Ukraine for example the soldiers from Russia refused to take the oath of Ukraine and therefore just went back to Russia. I'm almost positive it was the same in the remaining republics.

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