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Ye merry band of revelers. What an embarrassment for the people of London and for Britain to let this happen. The world sets its stage in London and you let ye merry revelers do this? Quite sad actually. Don’t continue to embarrass yourselves. The world is looking.





Yeah sure it is.  Yeah sure



But you expect others to pay for yours?  Yeah sure



Fake blood. Fake anger. Fake cause.  Yeah sure



“Take a photo while this capitalist storm trooper bashes me over me wee little head.”  Yeah sure



She did manage to Tweet “I’m going to jail. Hurraaaaay!”



Hiding your face? Why? You coward.



Making a deposit at the Bank of England.



Making a withdrawal at the Bank of England.



Nice manicure. Anarchist slob nail polish from Chanel is all the rage in fashion circles these days.



The ultimate hippy salute. Spread the love maggot.  Wink

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I'm watching the burning effigy on Sky right now. Lock the yobs up.
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
Making a deposit at the Bank of England.

*nitpicking* That's the Royal Bank of Scotland *nitpicking*

I suppose this is a prime example of mob mentality, because I'm fairly sure that few normal persons think it's okay to start vandalizing private property, but once you're in a mob - all rules are out of the window.
 
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
What an embarrassment for the people of London and for Britain to let this happen

Don't worry about it. If the G20 summit were to be held in the North Pole in the middle of a blizzard, in the middle of December, the loonies would still show . . .
 
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
What an embarrassment for the people of London and for Britain to let this happen.

Look on the bright side, at least they won't cave in to the demands of the protestors (not that I think that would be possible anyway), unlike the current mayor of Copenhagen who gave a community centre to the former users of Ungdomshuset after they had spent a few weeks waging a war on the streets. 

[Edited 2009-04-01 11:33:50]
 
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Not the Bank Of England, but a (closed) branch of the failed, still rewarding those who failed, had to be nationalized, RBS bank.
Yes those in the pictures are idiots, but there is real anger across the political spectrum with banks like this.
I note in the TV footage one of them, a fairly distance looking man (fat, curly hair), neglected to cover his face.
It will likely soon to suck to be him, if as is likely, he has 'form' for this sort of thing. Is 'known to police'.

London has more demos in a year than any other city, most of course are totally peaceful, big and small, many generated by the diversity of people there, from just about everywhere.
So it's not like the Met Police are new to this.

What was threatened today has not, it seems, emerged in anything like the form feared.
Basically, they are hemmed in.
This hemming them in also worked to quieten down the 2001 May Day demo after violence in previous years.
Then they fizzled out as demos.

Not over yet, but I'd say that the real scope for very major trouble has come and gone.
4000 of them in the City it seems, they had been boasting of numbers in the tens or hundreds of thousands.
 
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
What an embarrassment for the people of London and for Britain to let this happen.

Why should I be embarrassed? This is a minor price to pay for freedom of speech and expression. Just laugh at them like the majority of Brits are.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 6):
This is a minor price to pay for freedom of speech and expression

A minor price to pay? WOW! Can't wait for tommorow. BTW England - Scotland same thing right?
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
Ye merry band of revelers. What an embarrassment for the people of London and for Britain to let this happen. The world sets its stage in London and you let ye merry revelers do this? Quite sad actually. Don’t continue to embarrass yourselves. The world is looking.

Every G8 or G20 conference, in the past few years has attracted this sort of rent a mob, regardless of the host nation.
Fortunately, we still believe in free speech, and as yet do not shoot protestors. I'm sure there are a number of countries who could teach us a thing or two about supressing protest, but I don't think we really want to go down that route.

Whilst I personally think the protestors, are in the main a bunch of deluded, work shy, left wing soap dodgers and resent payng my taxes, in order for them to claim their unemployment benefit, at least we don't kill them as a result.

The one thing I cannot understand however is, why can't these conferences be held on a cruise liner out to sea; this would mean the police could get on with their usual jobs.
 
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 7):
A minor price to pay? WOW! Can't wait for tommorow.

Amazing that an American, who I assume has some belief in the Bill of Rights, doesn't get it
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Is it just me or the irony of a group of people from all over the world getting together in London to demonstrate against globalization is unsettling?

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 8):
soap dodgers

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I think Alf from Home and Away put it best in one episode from many years ago:

"Flamin' long-haired, greenie hippy yahoos!"
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Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
*nitpicking* That's the Royal Bank of Scotland *nitpicking*

lol....


They should never have held this in London. It should have been somewhere remote in the countryside. Some young banker was standing out on the balcony looking at the protesters and they all chanted up at him ''jump,jump''. These are the kind of sick people you are dealing with. Another effigy of a banker dressed in a suit was burned on the street. Nice people. They should be arrested and have their benefits taken off them.
 
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Quoting Oa260 (Reply 12):
Some young banker was standing out on the balcony looking at the protesters

I especially liked the the reports of the city workers waving wads of cash at the protesters from their office windows.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 9):

Oh I get it alright. I understand the rule of LAW in that the actions by these protesters damaging private and public property is not a price that any one of us should pay.

The right to protest. Yes. The right to damage property and create mayhem. No.

Even a Brit should know the difference in that right.  Wink

Cheers and good luck tomorrow unless London gets tough on these fools. My guess is after the negative press that London had today they will. We will hold our collective breath and suffocate in the process no doubt.  Smile
 
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Frankly they are fighting for what many over here battle for everyday . Tear down industry and instill government control or whatever. Our own administration has laid the ground work for them by demonizing our capitalist system... so why are we surprised ? They are socialist or communist take you pick .... same same .

They are emboldened by the socialist victories being scored over here. They love it . What a mess ... change .
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 14):
The right to protest. Yes. The right to damage property and create mayhem. No.

Totally agree.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Tear down industry and instill government control or whatever. Our own administration has laid the ground work for them

But there will always be people who use these things to further their own politcal cause  Wink
 
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 14):
The right to protest. Yes. The right to damage property and create mayhem. No.

And I don't disagree with you, but ....

If you can guarantee one without the other in the world of G8/20 protests then you would be a very wealthy man. And yes. If the price of freedom of speech and expression is some broken office furniture and glass it is indeed a small price to pay.

Just out of interest, how would you have handled it?

Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 14):
Even a Brit should know the difference in that right.

You have obviously never been caught up in a football match riot  

Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 14):
My guess is after the negative press that London had today they will.

Yes, 24 arrests, some minor injuries, some broken plate glass and office furniture. How will we live with the press' disappointment  

[Edited 2009-04-01 14:01:56]
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
I think Alf from Home and Away put it best in one episode from many years ago:

"Flamin' long-haired, greenie hippy yahoos!"

Haha cheers on that great quote!

I haven't experienced any of it today however I haven't been wandering in the more "dangerous" areas lately. I don't see a reason for Londoners to be ashamed. We don't have to support their cause however at least they are voicing their opinions, and after all how can we counter their arguments if we don't know what they are? Ah the beauty of free speech.

I say let them protest as long as it doesn't get violence, and the people who see this as a direct reflection on the city shouldn't come to visit anyway.
 
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Reports coming in that one protestor has been killed in London.
 
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Reports coming in that one protestor has been killed in London.

ITN reported a man in his 30's collapsed and died.

[Edited 2009-04-01 14:49:52]
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
But there will always be people who use these things to further their own politcal cause

No need to worry about me .... I am employing and producing to pay for my share today.. !

My little brother was trained in USMC Riot control , they used this Jalapeno laced sticky spray adhesive shit that was fired from a atop a Humvee.... ya ... that's what London PD needs. That would be awsome.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
ITN reported a man in his 30's collapsed and died.

Sky News says that Police went to rescue him and protestors fired missiles at them.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
No need to worry about me

Cause I really was LOL...
 
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
The ultimate hippy salute. Spread the love maggot.

Either that's Carrot Top or a Carrot Top wannabe, and I'm not sure which is worse.  scared 

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Was there a soccer match?
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Quoting Confuscius (Reply 24):
Was there a soccer match?

Soccer? What the hell is that? Ah, you mean FOOTBALL.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 9):
Amazing that an American, who I assume has some belief in the Bill of Rights, doesn't get it

Ah that little sticking point about the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

According to reports I saw during the day there were several other protests that were peaceful. Perhaps the Queen passed out more autographed pictures of herself and Prince Philip like the one she gave our President and avoided further disaster?  scratchchin 
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Wow, thrust those of a certain political bent from the US to interpret all this in their own, well.....distinct way.
Surprised that overreaction does not happen elsewhere, the sneering tone of the thread starter....as in sneering like an adult Cartman from South Park .

And of course, the wailing about how they are about to become a new USSR or something, utter rubbish of course, funny even, since that is a desperate defence of the ideology that has caused all this economic pain.
Must be how a defender of East Germany felt the day after the wall came down.

So, in London, well a very small part of it at least, a couple of smashed windows, 86 arrests as of this morning, a lot of the soapdogers with bruises and headaches, only one death but of natural causes it seems.
All contained within a small area.
Most importantly, the vast majority who did do their various protests, dressing up in eccentric costumes etc, did so peacefully.
Exercising freedom of speech, for real, not as a disposable political slogan.

Scope for more protests today, but the site of Excel Centre is not like the maze of streets in the City.

And the G20 went on, like it or not, agree with some or all of what they say or not, the leaders of France and Germany DO have a message that stings.
It wasn't us, our bankers, our over lax regulation, that has led to this crisis.
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Thread starter):
Making a withdrawal at the Bank of England.



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
*nitpicking* That's the Royal Bank of Scotland *nitpicking*

Beat me to it!

Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 7):
BTW England - Scotland same thing right?

*yawn*. Less of the trolling please.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 8):
Every G8 or G20 conference, in the past few years has attracted this sort of rent a mob, regardless of the host nation.

Funny, when Scotland hosted the G8 it was pretty peaceful. Perhaps we could lend london a few police officers and teach them a thing or two?
 
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Quoting DXing (Reply 26):
Ah that little sticking point about the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

And if either you or Rabb can come up with the system which filters peaceful protesters from the rent a mobs I and many others would love to hear it.

Until then the minority who caused the trouble will always be the problem.
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Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 28):
Funny, when Scotland hosted the G8 it was pretty peaceful. Perhaps we could lend london a few police officers and teach them a thing or two?

Hmmm...12 short....does size matter?  wink   duck  Wasn't there a football match between England and Ukraine that day? Perhaps a few hooligans lost their way?  scratchchin 

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 29):
And if either you or Rabb can come up with the system which filters peaceful protesters from the rent a mobs I and many others would love to hear it.

There is no way. If they get unruly unfortunately the whole crowd will suffer the consequences. Sort of like the Jelly Donut theory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IayHnA0cGuc

The rest of the crowd, the peaceful ones who always outnumber the unruly ones, just have to show the unruly ones its a bad dream!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmdHNCKCGw
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Quoting DXing (Reply 30):
The rest of the crowd, the peaceful ones who always outnumber the unruly ones, just have to show the unruly ones its a bad dream!

The problem is that the rest of the crowd are just as much dumbs*its as the unruly ones, chanting stuff like "abolish money" and nonsense like that. They are probably applaud what the unruly ones are doing but are just too afraid of losing their job at Starbucks.
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Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 28):
Less of the trolling please.

On which subject here is a (slight) laugh for you Nighthawk. Our ABC received a live report that the J Oliver meal at 10 Downing St had featured "English cuisine" and went on to mention the salmon. The anchor on the program back here in Aus decided to interrupt and correct that to Scottish salmon, presumably to avoid his telephone system going into meltdown. Later I saw a quick flash of the menu on TV and it also had Welsh lamb. So was there anything that WAS English - aside from M Oliver?
 
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Quoting DXing (Reply 30):
If they get unruly unfortunately the whole crowd will suffer the consequences. Sort of like the Jelly Donut theory:

You mean the guys picking a fight get doughnuts whilst the peaceful ones do push ups? I don't think that will catch on  Big grin

Great links to a great film, but not really relevant.
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 32):
On which subject here is a (slight) laugh for you Nighthawk. Our ABC received a live report that the J Oliver meal at 10 Downing St had featured "English cuisine" and went on to mention the salmon. The anchor on the program back here in Aus decided to interrupt and correct that to Scottish salmon, presumably to avoid his telephone system going into meltdown. Later I saw a quick flash of the menu on TV and it also had Welsh lamb. So was there anything that WAS English - aside from M Oliver?

urgh, my pet hate! At least someone with the slightest clue at geography was on hand to correct!

At least the menu served up by Jamie featured a selection of items from around the UK, and not just english things as is so often the case, so fair play to him on that one!

FYI the menu was:

Starter: Organic Scottish salmon with samphire and sea kale, and a selection of vegetables from Sussex, Surrey and Kent.

Main course: Slow-roasted shoulder of Elwy Valley lamb with Jersey Royals, wild mushrooms and mint sauce.

Dessert: Bakewell tart and custard.

Vegetarian option: Goat's cheese starter followed by lovage and potato dumplings for the main course.
 
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 33):
Great links to a great film, but not really relevant.

Sure they are. If the ones not causing trouble turned on the ones causing it the instant they started like the platoon turned on private fatbody the police could stand back and let their job be done for them. Perhaps the trouble makers would think twice next time around.
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Quoting GDB (Reply 27):
the sneering tone of the thread starter....as in sneering like an adult Cartman from South Park .

Not sneering. It was very pointed and correct observation. London was ineffective in how they prepared. Boy they sure got it right today however, after all the embarrassing bad press London received yesterday. It was EVERYWHERE on the news. A day late but they got it right in the end.

New York hosts the next G20 meeting in the fall. Can't say what will happen then but it won't be an embarrassing repeat of London. After all...it's New York.  Smile

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Some of these idiots even managed to get their own version of a riot vehicle...even though they were supposedly helping the police.

http://jalopnik.com/5195589/vigilant...es-to-battle-g20-summit-protesters
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Quoting DXing (Reply 35):
If the ones not causing trouble turned on the ones causing it the instant

Which ironically would lead to more trouble. Punch ups amongst the demonstrators and police confrontation. Yeah, that's the solution.

Quoting DXing (Reply 35):
like the platoon turned on private fatbody

We are not dealing with fictional soldiers nor people with a common cause.

Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 37):
It was very pointed and correct observation. London was ineffective in how they prepared.

It was a thoroughly incorrect observation. The police handled the protesters brilliantly. They allowed the march to the Bank of England, so allowing the majority who attended peaceably their right to protest, and contained them so limiting the possible damage caused by the minority who arrived for trouble. The plan was EFFECTIVE. The damage was marginal. This in addition to policing 29 world leaders, two seperate other marches and an international football match the same evening.

Please tell us how you would handled it differently?
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Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 34):
Dessert: Bakewell tart and custard.

Ah, the English patient! Bakewell is OK, but Spotted Dick woud have been better??

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 34):
Vegetarian option: Goat's cheese starter followed by lovage and potato dumplings for the main course.

So now we know what KRudd ate. (Note: he apologised recently for sending an FA on his jet into tears because his vegetarian meal was not available, this is the same guy who sent one of his MPs off for anger management last year after the ruckus at a restaurant named Iguana Joes.)

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 39):
Please tell us how you would handled it differently?

Well let none of us remain sleepless in Seattle for waiting to hear how that would go.

SWMBO pointed out that the Bill would not be on TV in Aus this Sat as they are obviously too busy in London.

PS wonder if Jamie was having a joke with the lovage. It latin name is Levisticum officinale. Also maybe it will help prop up financial systems.

Lovage is considered a "magic bullet" companion plant; much as borage helps protect almost all plants from pests, so lovage is thought to improve the health of almost all plants.

I wonder if there are any other jokes hidden in the menu??????

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I think we have seen a lot less than I expected.
People are angry at the moment and the G20 is not popular nor is the royal bank of Scotland.
I think most people expected it to get a lot worse than it did, at least me and my mates.
Compare this to the riots during Thatche over the streets, the pubs and made every city worker watch over their backs is probably a clear indication that people expected it to get alot worse than it actually did.

The man that died passed away in a Neil Harris replica and a Millwall-hood. A true hero.

Why cant they understand that the cost of holding these meetings in Europe isn't worth it. Europeans create a warzone when these conefrences are held here.
The police operation is so massive it hurts and every police in the country seems to be drafted in.
Helicopters, horses, dogs and riotpolice are all there. It costs us taxpayers to much. Hold it on a cruise ship a castle in the countryside or even better in a country where demonstrations equals serious jail time ala Singapore or China.
Anywhere but in the middle of London, that's just asking for trouble.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 39):
Which ironically would lead to more trouble.

Police your own nd your troubles are fewer.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 39):
We are not dealing with fictional soldiers nor people with a common cause.

Yikes! Have we done time in the service? There is almost always a private fatbody, or a private smellybody, or a private screwup. They have been tolerated by whomever raised them and sometimes have to have their thinking readjusted using some rather uncomfortable measures. The protesters do have a common cause in that they want to get their message out. If their message becomes one of nothing but violence and destruction every time they gather their seperate goals are lost.
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 8):
The one thing I cannot understand however is, why can't these conferences be held on a cruise liner out to sea; this would mean the police could get on with their usual jobs.

Security threat. A ship out at sea, full of the world's heavyweights will be a prime target.


Read ''The Afghan'' by Fredrick Forsyth. You'll get an idea.

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 12):
Another effigy of a banker dressed in a suit was burned on the street. Nice people. They should be arrested and have their benefits taken off them.

It is actually these GenY, suit clad, arrogant hotheads with MBAs who gave us this recession in the first place. So the hippies do have a point. Only that they aren't making it in a nice way.

and for the record, I have nothing against MBAs. I am married to one  Smile
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Quoting DXing (Reply 42):
Yikes! Have we done time in the service?

Of course not. I am far too intelligent to have had some hick shout abuse at me Big grin

Quoting DXing (Reply 42):
The protesters do have a common cause in that they want to get their message out.

Usually yes, but in this case there were multiple groups represented. Not all of them had a beef with the bankers.

Quoting DXing (Reply 42):
but violence and destruction every time they gather their seperate goals are lost.

A little over dramatic with the violence (some minor injuries) and destruction (three plate glass windows) aren't we?

I have to ask the same question Rabb has failed to answer so far, how would you have handled it?
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 44):
A little over dramatic with the violence (some minor injuries) and destruction (three plate glass windows) aren't we?

Seems like every news report I saw concentrated the bulk of the report on the violence and featured that idiot in the OP in pictures 3 and 4 as well as the smashing of the bank windows, police moving on a crowd, smoke, protesters with masks on, etc., very little attention, as usual was paid to any of the others save the curious "transvestites against the war in Iraq".

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 44):
I have to ask the same question Rabb has failed to answer so far, how would you have handled it?

I think I have. I expect, and if I were a protester would demand, that the crowd police itself of these types of individuals. There are certainly far more protesters interested in protesting without the associated vandalism and destruction of private property than those that want to create chaos and destruction.
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Quoting DXing (Reply 45):
Seems like every news report I saw concentrated the bulk of the report on the violence and featured that idiot in the OP in pictures 3 and 4 as well as the smashing of the bank windows, police moving on a crowd, smoke, protesters with masks on, etc.

So every news report you read re-hashed pretty much the same pictures. Doesn't seem your news sources had much to work with. I wonder why?

Quoting DXing (Reply 45):
I think I have. I expect, and if I were a protester would demand, that the crowd police itself of these types of individuals.

And if this expectation is not realised, what then?

But it appears you wouldn't change the policing.

Quoting DXing (Reply 45):
There are certainly far more protesters interested in protesting without the associated vandalism and destruction of private property than those that want to create chaos and destruction.

No-one has disagreed with that anywhere.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 46):
Doesn't seem your news sources had much to work with. I wonder why?

Because if it bleeds it leads still rules the roost on virutally every major news outlet.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 46):
But it appears you wouldn't change the policing.

I would expect and want a police presence at any large gathering. Even if the crowd is completely peaceful there will be those types that gravitate to such crowds for criminal reasons. Pickpockets, theives, gropers, and vandals love a crowd.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 46):
No-one has disagreed with that anywhere.

Didn't say they had and you had to break up my statement to make it sound as if I had.
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Quoting DXing (Reply 47):
Because if it bleeds it leads still rules the roost on virutally every major news outlet.

Agreed. The point being the re-running of the same clips by various outlets suggests that the violence was localised in a very small area.

Quoting DXing (Reply 47):
Didn't say they had and you had to break up my statement to make it sound as if I had.

Your entire statement is included in two seperate quotes answering two distinct positions. In the first quoted part I simply asked what if your expectation did not materialise (which I note you broke up not to answer) and then commented on the second part that no-one disagrees with your sentiment.


I fail to see where I have made it appear that you were suggesting otherwise.
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Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 37):
Not sneering. It was very pointed and correct observation. London was ineffective in how they prepared. Boy they sure got it right today however, after all the embarrassing bad press London received yesterday. It was EVERYWHERE on the news. A day late but they got it right in the end.

On what planet? London got no bad press. Sure, some of the soapdodgers complained about the Police.
Most of London was unaffected.
The violence was much, much less than some had anticipated, the numbers of those seemingly out to cause trouble was also much less than threatened. The damage and disruption was a very limited, some of those officers have probably seen worse after a bunch of pubs shut on a weekend.

The numbers of arrests suggest not only did the troublemakers become limited in their scope of movement, quite a few were nicked in the act.
Already, half a dozen of the group who broke the RBS bank windows and trespassed, are in custody, frankly the images suggested there were more press there than them.
The amount of trouble/damage suggests than the numbers of perpetrators was at most no more then a few hundred, but over 100 have been arrested. With likely more to come.

The Met police do not let fly with CS gas, water cannon and the like, since they think that this provides the battleground the troublemakers want, better to keep them on the move or just hem them in.
They also put a lot of store into filming them, identifying them, then arresting them, even months after the event if it takes that long to ID them.
This has happened a lot after public order incidents in recent years, I imagine that those involved will start to worry when arrests begin, as in, are they next on the list?

No disruption at all, to the actual G20 meeting, protecting that was the main role of the Police, the rest was just a sideshow.

I think the phrase to the various bunch of groups that threatened serious disorder this week, is is that all you've got?

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