kaitak
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SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:44 pm

Incredible - and deeply disturbing - story.

A South Carolina man, who died of cancer in 2004, was 6'5" and the funeral home could not fit him into the coffin. Guess what they (allegedly) did?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/01/tall.man.coffin/index.html

The man has apparently been exhumed and "undesirable evidence" has apparently been obtained.
 
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:51 pm

What a bunch of despicable ass's. They had probably sold the family an expensive casket, and then discovered he wouldn't fit in it, and sooner than lose the profit, did this instead.
 
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:29 pm



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 1):
What a bunch of despicable ass's. They had probably sold the family an expensive casket, and then discovered he wouldn't fit in it, and sooner than lose the profit, did this instead.

Not quite. A custom-made extra long casket = more profit for the funeral home. It also means the family would need a bigger grave or vault and would greatly increase the cost to them. My impression, as grisly as it sounds, is that it's fairly common for funeral homes to, at best, just raise the knees of the deceased and remove some of the padding from the coffin and, at worst, to break the cadaver's legs to make it easier to fold them in.
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 1):
What a bunch of despicable ass's. They had probably sold the family an expensive casket, and then discovered he wouldn't fit in it, and sooner than lose the profit, did this instead.

Wow...  sarcastic  Yep, because thats what funeral homes are all about... Profit off the casket. And you could NOT be more wrong. Caskets is where funeral homes make almost no money. Its in what you charge for your services.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 2):
Not quite. A custom-made extra long casket = more profit for the funeral home. It also means the family would need a bigger grave or vault and would greatly increase the cost to them. My impression, as grisly as it sounds, is that it's fairly common for funeral homes to, at best, just raise the knees of the deceased and remove some of the padding from the coffin and, at worst, to break the cadaver's legs to make it easier to fold them in.

You clearly have no idea what you're saying.

Let's go and correct all the mis-information here....

1) A standard casket length is 6' long. and about 2' wide.
2) You can fit someone that is taller than that in a couple of ways, neither of which include removing their legs. Or breaking them
3) If an oversized casket is needed, many will fit in a STANDARD grave liner or vault.
4) You dont "break cadaver's legs to make it easier to fold them in"

All that said, that guy looks taller than 6'5. Not to mention his build, he may very well have needed a 1x casket and I have a feeling the family diddnt want to pay....
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:15 am



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):

You clearly have no idea what you're saying.

Let's go and correct all the mis-information here....

1) A standard casket length is 6' long. and about 2' wide.
2) You can fit someone that is taller than that in a couple of ways, neither of which include removing their legs. Or breaking them
3) If an oversized casket is needed, many will fit in a STANDARD grave liner or vault.
4) You dont "break cadaver's legs to make it easier to fold them in"

All that said, that guy looks taller than 6'5. Not to mention his build, he may very well have needed a 1x casket and I have a feeling the family diddnt want to pay....

No need to take the tone you did - you can correct someone without saying "you have no idea what you're saying." I remember hearing about the "breaking legs" thing a few years ago from someone who had worked at a funeral home and took it as being the case. I personally thought the "raised knee" approach was more likely. Also here's a case from Michigan that seems to contradict some of what you lay out.

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1997/apr/04-10-97/news/news21.html

Ron Hast, publisher of the national industry magazine Mortuary Management, said he was familiar with the case and defended Angelus. He said Freeman's knees were raised only 5 or 6 inches, and some padding was removed from the coffin.

Otherwise, Freeman would have required a custom-made extra-long casket, a custom grave, a custom vault and other custom features, and "those things would have greatly increased costs," Hast said.
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:26 am



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
No need to take the tone you did - you can correct someone without saying "you have no idea what you're saying."

Which I did. Because you and the first reply were both shooting off stuff that wasnt true.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
Ron Hast, publisher of the national industry magazine Mortuary Management, said he was familiar with the case and defended Angelus. He said Freeman's knees were raised only 5 or 6 inches, and some padding was removed from the coffin.

Im not sure why they would be raising the knees.. And in a standard casket, in the leg half of it, there isnt much padding there to begin with, mostly cloth covering the frame and thats about it. The way you get a tall person in a casket is you pull them higher towards the front half of so their head is almost touching the inside wall. Also making their legs bow out is useful, but you do NOT break them, as that can be considered mutilation of a body, which is a felony.
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:52 am

Money's in the services-not necessarily in providing caskets (aside from oversized or special orders). Many states have statutes that require the funeral director to use caskets if they are provided by the family of the deceased. When I lived in Tennessee, there was a big fuss over the handling of caskets that were not purchased from funeral directors, but the law was quite clear and they've had to live with it. Well made caskets can be had from prices well below $1,000-my personal favorites are those made by Trappist Monks.
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:03 pm



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 6):
Well made caskets can be had from prices well below $1,000

Word of warning, dont buy one of those POS's that can be had at costco. There is a reason why their cheap. Trust me, you dont wanna see the handles on nana's casket come popping off, or the lid not closing evenly because you wanted to save a couple hundred bucks.

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 6):
my personal favorites are those made by Trappist Monks.

Those, are beautiful. My friend's firm carries them.
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:32 am



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
Quoting 57AZ (Reply 6):
my personal favorites are those made by Trappist Monks.

Those, are beautiful. My friend's firm carries them.

Their simple elegance and the fact that they are entirely made of wood are what draws me to them. Not prohibitively expensive, tasteful and completely combustible which makes them suitable for cremation.

My hometown of Chattanooga, Tennessee had a couple of shops that dealt in caskets-not the cheap ones that Costco or other chains sell, but the same brands that the funeral parlors sold without the funeral parlor markup. The funeral directors did try to refuse to deal with caskets obtained from other sources but gave up when the state Attorney General began vigorously enforcing the law.
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:47 am



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 8):

My hometown of Chattanooga, Tennessee

Morbid link- The only funeral of a close family member I've been to was in Chattanooga, for my grandmother a couple of years ago. She raised my mom and my aunts and uncles there, and lived there for the majority of her 93 years. Very cool little town.
 
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RE: SC Funeral Home Amputates Dead Man's Legs?

Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:07 am

Guess I'll have the same problem as I'm 6'-9" so I'm even taller than this guy was.
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