|Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):|
The goy got pushed, he falls, and then keeps talking to the policemen that are there. The heart attack just happened to take place moment after. In this case there is nothing. And again, I am not a fan of police at all.
EZEIZA - and others - it's impossible to be absolutely sure, but the video appears to show the riot squad guy hitting the man with a baton from behind
. He then pushes him, also
from behind, with such force that the man's feet are actually in the air when he hits the ground. Again, one can't be sure, but my impression is that he did not have time to take his hands out of his pockets to break his fall - and it looks as if, as a result, he landed on his forehead
We'll have to wait for the results of the post-mortem. I have no idea whether a heavy blow on the head could trigger a heart attack; nor indeed do any of us know for sure whether he had a 'heart attack' at all; so far that's only 'hearsay,' coming from the police......
I hold no particular brief for modern-style 'protesters' - I don't like their methods or their general approach - but my first impression of this incident is that there is a case to answer as to whether it constituted 'excessive force.' The guy did not appear to be at all aggressive - and even if the police felt that he was, there were at least 15 policemen following him - any two of them could safely have 'restrained' him instantly, with relative ease and without putting themselves at risk.
This follow-up video is also revealing. In particular, it appears that there is now a 'culture' among the Metropolitan Police, especially in the Riot Squad, of covering their faces with balaclavas AND
removing their identification numbers. IMO that sort of thing should not be tolerated for one moment in a supposedly-disciplined force.
"The footage, shot by Nabeela Zahir, a 27-year-old freelance journalist from London, contains three important elements to note:
"• Police move quickly to push away those protesters and bystanders who were aiding Tomlinson, including a man on the phone to the ambulance service. The ambulance service wanted to be put in contact with the officer, who declined to take the call.
"• The reaction of protesters is important. After the demonstration, police accused them of impeding Tomlinson's treatment by subjecting the officers and medics to a hail of missiles. In the video, a missile is seen to be thrown but you can hear someone in the crowd saying: "There's someone hurt. Don't throw anything." This indicates something was thrown, but certainly there was no barrage of missiles on film, and nothing reached the police. A man is also seen, standing with his arms in the air, shouting: "There is someone hurt here. Back the fuck up."
"• The riot officers have concealed their faces. Pause at 56 seconds. There are four officers in shot. Three have their face masks pulled half-way up their faces."
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