johns624
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London-Edinburgh Train

Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:29 pm

My wife and I are going from London to Edinburgh by train in May. I'm kinda a lapsed railfan (trainspotter) and was wondering what I'll see on the trip. Are there any major marshalling yards or engine terminals or repair facilities? What side of the train would be better? I remember back in 2002 going from London to Glasgow and seeing the old repair shops in Crewe. Is there anything like that on this route? Lastly, what side would I get the best view of any cities we pass through?
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:20 pm

It depends which route you are taking, I presume you'll be on the East Coast Mainline from King's Cross to Waverley? You should get a decent view of stock/works around Doncaster and around the junctions towards Teeside, but that's about all I know.

Try looking on Google Earth, that way you'll see exactly which side you need to sit as well.


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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:47 pm

In terms of scenery, the coast between Newcastle and Edinburgh is on the right hand side heading north.

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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:27 pm

How much does it take to go from LON to EDI? What are the costs? I think it'll be cheaper to fly with U2...
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:19 pm



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 3):
I think it'll be cheaper to fly with U2...

Who cares how cheap it is. We want to see a little bit of the countryside. Kinda hard at 30,000ft.
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:49 am



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 3):

It can sometimes be quite cheap. But to get any sort of deal it must be booked in advance. For example, my brother came from Newcastle to Edinburgh yesterday for £8.50 single.

I can't even get a return to Edinburgh from Central Scotland for that money on a normal day.
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:59 am



Quoting Ohthedrama747 (Reply 5):
I can't even get a return to Edinburgh from Central Scotland for that money on a normal day.

I'd love to visit Scotland, I have a feeling that it is much more interesting then England.

Quoting Johns624 (Reply 4):
Who cares how cheap it is. We want to see a little bit of the countryside. Kinda hard at 30,000ft.

Certainly I have to agree with you. But I think that renting a car is much better option to see a countryside, especially if you travel by high-speed train which doesn't pass through major attraction sites.
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:43 am

Just outside of King's Cross, proably about 10 mins into the journey you will also see Bounds Green TMD. Not sure what is there now though, it's been a long time since I was there!
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:05 pm



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
But I think that renting a car is much better option to see a countryside, especially if you travel by high-speed train which doesn't pass through major attraction sites.

We will be renting a car when we get to EDI. We plan on drivng up to Ft. William, across the Great Glen to Inverness, and then down to Perth and then finish in EDI. We'll be hitting all the BA Regimental Museums along the way. That's about all the "wrong way" driving I can tolerate.  Smile
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:54 pm



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 8):

You not planning on seeing any of the West coast? Be a shame to visit Scotland and not see Loch Lomond or for a good night out Glasgow  Wink
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:24 pm



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 9):
You not planning on seeing any of the West coast? Be a shame to visit Scotland and not see Loch Lomond or for a good night out Glasgow

Been there, done that. This is our 3rd trip to Scotland. We haven't done the east coast yet.
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:55 pm

I've done Kings X to Waverly at least 40 times in my life, i know the route like the back of my hand. Tbh the west coast line is far more intersting. Lots more junctions, more and more interesting traffic, better scenery and curvier routes.

On the plus side you get up to some pretty impressive speeds on the East Coast route, or at least you used to before the crash. Used to be at least 140mph, may only be 125mph now.

The scenery from Newcastle to Edinburgh, as stated above, is lovely as well. In addition, you can look out for the old ATP at York which will be on your left on the way up, right on the way down. There's also the prototype Class 89 sitting at KX too, or at least last time i was there (which was a while ago).

There's welwyn viaduct early on in the route, about 15-20 mins in, giving you a nice view of the valley. Also the bridge at Newcastle gives some good views down the tyne, that's on the right on the way up.

Other than that, like i say, there's a lot of flat land and fields, quite plain. Still, a worthwhile journey, relaxing and has a nice duration. The Class 91 is certainly an impressive beast too.

I miss her in the swallow liv though.

 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:27 pm



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 3):
How much does it take to go from LON to EDI? What are the costs? I think it'll be cheaper to fly with U2...

If you book more than a month in advance it will probably cost about £70 return. U2 would be cheaper, if you have no baggage, but dearer if you have bags. lus of course you have to pay to get to the airport.

The train takes 4.5 hours, compared to the flights 1.25 hours. But the train is city centre - city centre.If you are staying in hotels in London & then Edinburgh, you would need to add an hour to your travel time to get to/from the airport, plus check in time, plus the time to get out of the airport.
Thus the train is likely to be quicker overall, and cheaper
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:46 pm

If you are going up the east coast route, and you can afford the time , how about braking your train trip for a day at York. This is a fantastic city smaller enough to walk around and it contains the steam railway museum, Roman remains, Viking remains, and some great ghostly walks in the evening.

York station alone is worth the look

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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:07 pm



Quoting VC10 (Reply 13):
If you are going up the east coast route, and you can afford the time , how about braking your train trip for a day at York. This is a fantastic city smaller enough to walk around and it contains the steam railway museum, Roman remains, Viking remains, and some great ghostly walks in the evening.

York station alone is worth the look

littlevc10

Plus York has the National Rail museum, surely mandatory for a trainspotter.
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:39 pm



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 8):
We plan on drivng up to Ft. William

If you are going there you could always try the First ScotRail Caledonian Sleeper service from Euston.

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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:57 pm



Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
Bounds Green TMD



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 11):
old ATP at York

Okay, I'm a Yank. What do TMD and ATP stand for?
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:46 am

I used to love taking this trip. Did it several times. Highlights I can remember:

Just out of London, open plains and then suddenly some big old observatory on a hill

Either York of Durham, great view of the town from the RHS, inclusing very nice Cathederal

And Edinburgh itself, I truly believe gives the best welcome to visitors who walk out of that train station. Spectacular!
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:37 am



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 16):
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 11):
old ATP at York

Okay, I'm a Yank. What do TMD and ATP stand for?

I of course meant APT (i've had ATPLs on my mind recently).

It was the ill fated British tilting train designed for the curvy west coast main line intended to bring higher speeds to the line.

Wiki link

http://www.springhill.f9.co.uk/apt_tests/apt20005.jpg
 
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:43 am



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 4):



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 4):
Who cares how cheap it is. We want to see a little bit of the countryside. Kinda hard at 30,000ft.

My dad recently drove from Adelaide to Alice Springs saying that it would be nice,, i just flew Tiger Airways and then looked on google earth street view of what i missed lol!! I would rather fly anyday than drive  Wink

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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:52 am



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 16):
Okay, I'm a Yank. What do TMD and ATP stand for?

TMD = Traction Maintainance Depot - A railway depot where trains are maintained.
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RE: London-Edinburgh Train

Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:14 am

I thought the ATP was at Crewe? At least it was last Saturday?

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