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FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:20 am

Ah, why am I NOT surprised, coming from FOX!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...bamas-prime-time-press-conference/

Yes, it'll be on RNN...eeeer, I mean, FOX News Network, but it is unconscionable to me that any network would not carry an address by the President. You imagine the outrage from the right had CBS, NBC or ABC done this to President Bush?
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:28 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
is unconscionable to me that any network would not carry an address by the President.

Ehh, it's their network and their money. I must admit I hate when I flip from one channel to the other and keep getting the same damn thing. Goes for the radio address' too.

Why do you actually need the presidents address on seven channels (when all are equally available to the public)?

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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:33 am



Quoting Tugger (Reply 1):
Why do you actually need the presidents address on seven channels (when all are equally available to the public)?

You can add to that, the presidents address will be hashed and rehashed to days to come.

Probably nothing more than another "Crisis"

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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:34 am



Quoting Tugger (Reply 1):
Why do you actually need the presidents address on seven channels (when all are equally available to the public)?

Because it's the President of the United States. It should never be an issue, no matter who the POTUS is.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:35 am



Quoting Okie (Reply 2):
Probably nothing more than another "Crisis"

He is actually going to discuss his first 100 days in office. No "crisis". Sorry.  Big grin
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:43 am

I do have to say I'm kind of on Fox's side. The networks shouldn't have to play a non-essential address if they don't want to.

A recap of his 100 days as president is not essential. It's good for him to have it, but he shouldn't expect the networks to pay for it.
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:46 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
He is actually going to discuss his first 100 days in office. No "crisis". Sorry.

I think the record speaks of Obama announcing one crisis after another the first 100 days.

Maybe a self-gloss announcement.  duck 


Right now I just seem to be suffering from "Crisis Fatigue"


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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:55 am



Quoting Okie (Reply 6):
I think the record speaks of Obama announcing one crisis after another the first 100 days.

What crisis are you talking about? I don't recall "one crisis after another" these first hundred days. We've been dealing with economic meltdown since before the election; there is no "crisis" on anthing else at the moment. There are POTENTIAL crisis with the DRPK, and with the Swine Flu. But I think you're being a little over-dramatic here.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:38 am



Quoting Okie (Reply 6):
Right now I just seem to be suffering from "Crisis Fatigue"

The rest of us suffered the same thing after 2001 when everything from the Bush White House was terror, terrorist, or terrorism related. Terror alerts, suspicious packages, suspicious white substances, al-Qaida, Taliban.... At least now, there are reasons for making announcements, unfortunatly. North Korea has launched a missile and orders inspectors out; swine flu; market crash. Instead of jumping to death, distruction and terror, the Obama White House seems to be acknowledging these things and doing what they think is right to stay on top of the situations.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:48 am

Question: has this ever happened before?
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:00 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
it is unconscionable to me that any network would not carry an address by the President. You imagine the outrage from the right had CBS, NBC or ABC done this to President Bush?



Quoting Continental (Reply 9):
Question: has this ever happened before?

Yes. I recall all the TV networks refusing to carry President Bush's speeches on a couple of occasions. Here's one example:

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120805,00.html
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:36 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
He is actually going to discuss his first 100 days in office. No "crisis". Sorry.

That ought to take all of about 2 seconds. Why doesn't he just start doing infomercials
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:19 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
He is actually going to discuss his first 100 days in office. No "crisis". Sorry.

Well starting right after he got elected he has just carried his podium with him, probably even in the bathroom. The guy loves to drone on with that teleprompter. I mean it's getting out of hand. Next you are going to want FOX to carry the presidential dog taking a crap. Enough already.

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 11):
That ought to take all of about 2 seconds. Why doesn't he just start doing infomercials

Yea he can start selling the slap chop.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:39 am

There have been several times that Fox was carrying Bush speeches that CNN and MSNBC did not have on, yet there was no story about that. Then again, any chance the news channels can get to broadcast Obama...
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:02 am

Frankly, there are an awful lot of Americans who really have no interest in seeing this guy pat himself on the back after his miserable job performance these first hundred days.

He's already done about 3-4 press conferences and it hasn't even been 100 days yet. He should spend a little less time reading from his teleprompter and a little more time balancing the budget and filling unfilled cabinet appointments (like all the unfilled positions in the Health and Human Serivces department).

Can't say I'm surprised. Again, the guy has never run a damn thing in his life before. That didn't stop us from electing him CEO of the free world. What an embarrassment.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:08 am

If the networks don't want to show the President's speech, it's their problem. They can't be forced to show it, can they? In this case, despite being Fox, I'm going to side with them. I mean, isn't that what news networks are for?

In Germany, we have public channels for that, and usually, it's only one of them showing an address to the nation by either the President or the Chancellor. Nobody complains about that. So let's not complain about why Fox isn't showing an Obama speech. If Fox doesn't want to show it on its terrestrial networks, so be it.
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:57 am

I don't see the big deal either, as long as people have access to the press conference on other channels if they want.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Well starting right after he got elected he has just carried his podium with him, probably even in the bathroom.

A new president in a severe crisis explaining his goals and policies to the nation while working to resolve the difficulties – isn't that just proper and to be expected?

I would see a much bigger problem if he holed up in some undisclosed location without a peep, giving the appearance of letting the administration drift rudderless...

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
The guy loves to drone on with that teleprompter.

And how, exactly, would a teleprompter help him in the extensive Q&A sections in his frequent press conferences?

Bush kept these to an absolute minimum of tame and pre-chewed questions with clearly prefabricated answers. Obama's press conferences are a rather different deal.

You should try actually watching one these days. It seems there's one coming up soon...!
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:11 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Bush kept these to an absolute minimum of tame and pre-chewed questions with clearly prefabricated answers. Obama's press conferences are a rather different deal.

You should try actually watching one these days. It seems there's one coming up soon...!

Actually, it's become pretty clear, from day one of the campaign it ran, that this is an administration that is primarily concerned with its own IMAGE, rather than its own RESULTS.

Witness the cult of personality it built around itself during the campaign, the constant press conferences, the selling of its stimulus package in front of Caterpillar employees by saying its passage would save Caterpillar jobs even though it directly contradicted the CEO's comments on the same day stating the layoffs would still occur, and the belief that cutting $100 million over several years from the budget during a period of multi trillion dollar deficits was a generous sop to the Tea Party Protesters and would shut them up.

I really have zero interest in playing along with the charade. This fly by photo shoot horrifies me in so many ways. It really is a symptom of a larger problem. An administration not qualified for the job it is in. And we can't fire it until 2012. Scary.
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:33 am



Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 17):
Actually, it's become pretty clear, from day one of the campaign it ran, that this is an administration that is primarily concerned with its own IMAGE, rather than its own RESULTS.

I see. So the aggressive schedule Obama has been moving along at has been surpassed by which previous presidents by comparison? Just asking...!  eyebrow 

I see a whole lot of seething envy on the US right for the positive reaction of the american and worldwide public to Obama, but even in this short period and with an opposition which has dug in its heels in a destructive and near-universal NO! to everything the new leadership is trying to move forwards, Obama has been quite active and successful on the policy side as well.

Now imagine his policies resulting in success – will you bring yourself to actually acknowledging that?

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 17):
and the belief that cutting $100 million over several years from the budget during a period of multi trillion dollar deficits was a generous sop to the Tea Party Protesters and would shut them up.

The small gaggle of "teabaggers" (ouch!) after all the massive push by FOX "News" and others on the right was a real disappointment in numbers. Obama may be losing sleep over quite a few of the challenges on his table, but "teabaggers" are closer to the bottom of that list than to the top...!

You should also note that the bailout has still been started by the Bush administration already (if rather shoddily), so its necessity is not really good for partisan bickering.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 17):
I really have zero interest in playing along with the charade. This fly by photo shoot horrifies me in so many ways. It really is a symptom of a larger problem. An administration not qualified for the job it is in. And we can't fire it until 2012. Scary.

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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:47 pm



Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 14):
Frankly, there are an awful lot of Americans who really have no interest in seeing this guy pat himself on the back after his miserable job performance these first hundred days.

 yes 

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 14):
ike all the unfilled positions in the Health and Human Serivces department

Well, Kathy should be confirmed today. Hopefully...I'm ready for her to not be my Governor anymore  Smile
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:18 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Now imagine his policies resulting in success – will you bring yourself to actually acknowledging that?

No, never. They will never acknowledge success. Ever! Because that would be an admission that a damn liberal did something right, and as we all know, damn liberals are freakin' morons (as are the people that voted for them). Especially the northeast liberal elitist damn liberal who goes to Harvard - most moronic of them all.

I think some of the posters here need a different hobby than throwing spitballs at Obama. Clearly with Obama's approval polling in the stratosphere, the American public has decided that they'd rather side with Obama than the teabaggers.
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:24 pm

No surprise here, this is after all FOX!
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:26 pm



Quoting SW733 (Reply 19):
Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 14):
ike all the unfilled positions in the Health and Human Serivces department

Well, Kathy should be confirmed today. Hopefully...I'm ready for her to not be my Governor anymore Smile

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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:45 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
No, never. They will never acknowledge success.

If you can show me some examples of success, perhaps. So far they have been few and far between. The only one I can think of was a successful rescue from the pirates, and that was more because of sharp skills and nerve of our military men and women than Obama. Otherwise what success has he had?

On the other hand he has had numerous failures (or to put it kindly, a marked lack of success). His administration's irresponsible comments on making huge tax and other changes without any specifics have succeeded in largely freezing business and personal investment decisions.

Iran and N. Korea are laughing in his face with impunity. Chavez gives him a book on the benefits of socialism. Pakistan is about to give the Taliban a shot at being a nuclear power.

We are pouring billions into the auto companies, and will not get anything out of it that would not have happened without those funds, apart from perhaps higher union wages.

And finally he has eliminated the effectiveness of any sort of interrogation by divulging details of how we do it. Now terrorists (and foreign agents of all stripes) will be trained to know that, no matter how unpleasant and shocking an interrogation might be, American interrogators would never go so far as to actually injure them - even during the period when "torture" was used. They just need to keep their mouth shut, and after a few months or years the ACLU will see to their release, possibly even within the US.

So you tell me, where is the success? Why should we be happy about this?
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:11 pm



Quoting JAL (Reply 21):
No surprise here, this is after all FOX!

This is typical of Republicans: Do as I say, not as I do. They hate homosexuals, yet they get caught with gays in all kinds of compromising positions all the time. They advocate one man/one woman, but when one of them has an affair, they can not figure out what the big deal is. They advocate abstinace only education, but when their kids get pregnant, they say everything is fine because their kids are keeping it instead of aborting. And now, "fair and balaced" FOX is not showing a news conference from the Democratic president after 8 years of news conferences from a Republican president. But, everyone on the right will defend "fair and balanced" as correct. Really? Is this being "fair and balanced?"
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:19 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
it is unconscionable to me that any network would not carry an address by the President.

Doesn't he have one just about every day? Or does it just feel like that?

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 14):
Frankly, there are an awful lot of Americans who really have no interest in seeing this guy pat himself on the back after his miserable job performance these first hundred days.

Or hearing another buggery speech about nothing...
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Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:28 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Ah, why am I NOT surprised, coming from FOX!

Hey they are the ones beating up on everyone in the ratings ... maybe they are on to something. Curious , was this the speech where the President reset the teleprompter ?

Is it just me or is President Obama giving allot of " Addresses" ...what was this one about ?
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:52 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):
Is it just me or is President Obama giving allot of " Addresses" ...what was this one about ?

And has he not been appointing alot of Czars. Maybe we need a swine flu Czar and another speech to appoint him/her
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:54 pm



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 27):
And has he not been appointing alot of Czars. Maybe we need a swine flu Czar and another speech to appoint him/her

Finally a good idea! I Wonder what Michael ("Good job, Brownie") Brown is up to these days..
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:49 pm



Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 22):
GOvernor of Namibia?

Haha. No, no. I am currently living in Kansas for the time being, working at a to-be-unnamed aerospace engineering company...
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:06 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Because it's the President of the United States. It should never be an issue, no matter who the POTUS is.



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
but it is unconscionable to me that any network would not carry an address by the President. You imagine the outrage from the right had CBS, NBC or ABC done this to President Bush?

Yes, let us imagine,....

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrrt.htm

'The three major networks declined to carry Reagan's Oval Office speech last night '

Yes, very 'unconscionable'.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:53 pm



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 27):
And has he not been appointing alot of Czars. Maybe we need a swine flu Czar and another speech to appoint him/her

And czars are the epitome of historical democratic, liberal thinking Silly
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:34 pm

The show is among the network's most popular and draws an average of 13 million viewers a week. That compares to the relatively paltry 4.2 million who watched the president's last prime-time press conference on Fox.

We are in an economic downturn. The network wants to make money, not air Obama's 49th prime time presidental address since he took office.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
But I think you're being a little over-dramatic here.

See original post above.  rotfl 
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:15 pm

It's all about money. Hell Fox did the exact same thing to Bush in 2001. Why is it so hard for some to understand that everything Fox does isn't some Republican motivated move? Shame on Fox for using some common business sense and not mindlessly following the rest of the pack!   It's almost seems as if they have a free choice in what they want to report.  Yeah sure

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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:23 pm



Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 33):
Why is it so hard for some to understand that everything Fox does isn't some Republican motivated move?

Well, guess!  mischievous 
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:44 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Because it's the President of the United States. It should never be an issue, no matter who the POTUS is.

It never really has been an issue, whoever has been the president. As noted by others, at various times all the networks have declined to carry a presidents speech.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 32):
The show is among the network's most popular and draws an average of 13 million viewers a week. That compares to the relatively paltry 4.2 million who watched the president's last prime-time press conference on Fox.

And when you consider that the identical "show" is on four or more other channels at the exact same time its no wonder the audience is so low. It's completely diluted!

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Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:12 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
This is typical of Republicans:

Geez ... bitter much. So lets just say FOX is ran and operated only for republicans by republicans . What is the problem ? Why do you care ? Fox cable blows the lid off in the ratings and the network does not do to bad either. So why don't you just assume its a evil republican propaganda machine ... and don't watch it. You know like me with NBC, MSNBC ,CBS , CNN, NYT ,LA Times ,Newsweek , Time Mag , US News , My local papers ,NPR , PRI , BBC,Comedy central shows ...... all of them shivering leg tools for the democrat green socialists. FOX is one network ... you have many many outlets you can watch and read that lean your way . Relax already

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
FOX is not showing a news conference from the Democratic president after 8 years

They carried it on cable ... that was confirmed.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:34 pm

I don't blame Fox. If anything, their ratings will drop covering something that all the other stations are. Its their money and time, they can do as they wish.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:59 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 36):
What is the problem ? Why do you care ?

Why? Double standard. Read my post again. It is typical of Republicans in power.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 36):
They carried it on cable ... that was confirmed.

As opposed to those Republican followers that have antennas. The ones that blindly follow the Republican party but have such low-wage jobs they can not afford even basic cable and will now start blaming Obama for his address not being aired on local FOX affiliates. You know there are some.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:16 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
No, never. They will never acknowledge success. Ever! Because that would be an admission that a damn liberal did something right, and as we all know, damn liberals are freakin' morons (as are the people that voted for them). Especially the northeast liberal elitist damn liberal who goes to Harvard - most moronic of them all.

I think some of the posters here need a different hobby than throwing spitballs at Obama. Clearly with Obama's approval polling in the stratosphere, the American public has decided that they'd rather side with Obama than the teabaggers.

I have a graduate degree so please spare me the anti-intellectual nonsense.

Show me some success and I'll be happy to acknowledge it. So what are you bragging about today? 8.5 percent unemployment? 1.85 trillion dollar deficit this year? Accidental 9/11 re-enactments?

I suppose he'd make a good diplomat if that makes you feel better.

I'm frankly not in the slightest bit concerned about his popularity. When put in historical perspective of presidential approval ratings at this point in their presidencies, he's only slightly ahead of Clinton and Bush and slightly behind Reagan and Carter. I'd also remind you Bush had 90 percent approval ratings in October of the first year of his administration. How'd that work out for him again?

So his approval ratings certainly seem to impress you a lot more than they impress me. Why bring them up so often? That seems to be the substitute for debate for many here. As in, "he's got high approval ratings, so who cares what you think?" Face it, the line has already gotten tiresome. Either the President will change course or the public will catch on.

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The "teabaggers", as you call them, are significantly ahead of the curve and of the public right now. The public is merely playing catch up, and polls (I can do them too) show rapidly increasing concern about the growing size of government and the growing budget deficits.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):

If you can show me some examples of success, perhaps. So far they have been few and far between. The only one I can think of was a successful rescue from the pirates, and that was more because of sharp skills and nerve of our military men and women than Obama. Otherwise what success has he had?

On the other hand he has had numerous failures (or to put it kindly, a marked lack of success). His administration's irresponsible comments on making huge tax and other changes without any specifics have succeeded in largely freezing business and personal investment decisions.

Iran and N. Korea are laughing in his face with impunity. Chavez gives him a book on the benefits of socialism. Pakistan is about to give the Taliban a shot at being a nuclear power.

We are pouring billions into the auto companies, and will not get anything out of it that would not have happened without those funds, apart from perhaps higher union wages.

And finally he has eliminated the effectiveness of any sort of interrogation by divulging details of how we do it. Now terrorists (and foreign agents of all stripes) will be trained to know that, no matter how unpleasant and shocking an interrogation might be, American interrogators would never go so far as to actually injure them - even during the period when "torture" was used. They just need to keep their mouth shut, and after a few months or years the ACLU will see to their release, possibly even within the US.

So you tell me, where is the success? Why should we be happy about this?

 checkmark  Excellent questions. Could an Obama supporter please point me to success?

If by success you mean ingratiating himself to Hugo Chavez, he has certainly done that.
 
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:18 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Now imagine his policies resulting in success – will you bring yourself to actually acknowledging that?

If Obama solves a problem great I'll give him credit for it, not a problem. I never give all the credit or blame to one party. I disagreed with George W. Bush's bailout and I disagree with Obama's bailout. The thing is all I've seen Obama do is TALK about fixing problems, and I know you can't fix all problems in 100 days but I haven't seen him do anything substantive. He's talked a lot appointed a few czars and thrown a whole bunch of money out the window. The ONLY major thing he is done is quadruple the deficit in 100 days. If that's what American's now define as success I'm afraid we're in trouble.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:35 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 38):
You know there are some

Who cares ... we will always have blind followers in both parties . And yes there are some who no doubt have the rabbit ears with the alum foil / Schlitz can "arrays" attached. The last thing I am worried about is President Obama not getting enough coverage ... my god he is every where.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):
If you can show me some examples of success, perhaps.

Dude, I have $350 more in my pocket every month because of Obama's policy changes. Every month! Now, that's a whole lot of change I can believe in!

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):
His administration's irresponsible comments on making huge tax and other changes without any specifics have succeeded in largely freezing business and personal investment decisions.

The vast majority of Americans, and the vast majority of finance industry execs disagree with you.


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Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 39):
I have a graduate degree so please spare me the anti-intellectual nonsense.

That's EXACTLY what I've been trying to tell you Republicans! The anti-intellectual sentiment exists in exactly one party. Yours.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 39):
So what are you bragging about today?

Where did you get the idea that I was bragging about anything today? You're answering an argument I never made. (That's called a straw argument. You do that a lot.)

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 39):
As in, "he's got high approval ratings, so who cares what you think?" Face it, the line has already gotten tiresome.

Straw man.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 39):
The "teabaggers", as you call them

They called themselves that.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 39):
If by success you mean ingratiating himself to Hugo Chavez, he has certainly done that.

Petty.


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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:00 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 42):
Dude, I have $350 more in my pocket every month because of Obama's policy changes. Every month! Now, that's a whole lot of change I can believe in!

That's cool except for the fact that we're spending money we don't have. Money does not grow on trees. That 350 dollars a week your getting is going to have to be paid for by future generations. It continues to baffle me how politicians (on both sides) continue to defy what middle schoolers are taught in practical finance courses, don't spend what you don't have. I would understand if we had a surplus and Uncle Sam wanted to give taxpayers back some of their money but the bottom line is we don't have extra money. Someone else is going to pay for the 350 dollars your getting. That's not change I can believe in.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:02 pm



Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 39):
The "teabaggers", as you call them, are significantly ahead of the curve and of the public right now.

No. The "teabaggers" are actually BEHIND the curve. For years and years, people on the left were screaming and crying and carrying on about how much the damn war in Iraq, torturing suspects, terrorism and spying on anyone and everyone was costing us. How those trillions of dollars would have to be paid for one day by our children and our grandchildren. Those trillions of dollars were being borrowed from China, Saudi Arabia and Japan, among others. Just now, after a Democrat is elected president and after Democrats come very close to having an outright majority in Congress is anyone on the right concerned with the cost of war and the deficit and all the trillions of dollars in debt that have been run up under Bush. But, no. Never ever blame Bush or any Republicans. It could never ever be any Republicans that did this. They love the country.

Quoting NW747400 (Reply 40):
The ONLY major thing he is done is quadruple the deficit in 100 days.

Yes, that's right... In 100 days, Obama has blown through trillions of dollars. Because we had such a huge surplus all the way up until mid-January... *rolls eyes*
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
Yes, that's right... In 100 days, Obama has blown through trillions of dollars. Because we had such a huge surplus all the way up until mid-January... *rolls eyes*

I never said I agreed with Bush's economic policies. In fact if you read my post carefully I expressed by disdain over his bailout plan. The main spending I agreed with was military spending to restore our army after Clinton got through with it. I didn't think anybody should have gotten bailed out. I'm for fiscal responsibility in both parties, not just when it helps make my political views seem relevant.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:04 am



Quoting NW747400 (Reply 43):
That 350 dollars a week your getting is going to have to be paid for by future generations.



Quoting NW747400 (Reply 43):
Someone else is going to pay for the 350 dollars your getting.

Actually, it's 350 dollars a month that isn't going to a bank that would have if not for Obama's mortgage policy change. It's not coming out of the taxpayers.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
No. The "teabaggers" are actually BEHIND the curve. For years and years, people on the left were screaming and crying and carrying on about how much the damn war in Iraq, torturing suspects, terrorism and spying on anyone and everyone was costing us. How those trillions of dollars would have to be paid for one day by our children and our grandchildren. Those trillions of dollars were being borrowed from China, Saudi Arabia and Japan, among others. Just now, after a Democrat is elected president and after Democrats come very close to having an outright majority in Congress is anyone on the right concerned with the cost of war and the deficit and all the trillions of dollars in debt that have been run up under Bush.

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:10 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
For years and years, people on the left were screaming and crying and carrying on about how much the damn war in Iraq, torturing suspects, terrorism and spying on anyone and everyone was costing us. How those trillions of dollars would have to be paid for one day by our children and our grandchildren. Those trillions of dollars were being borrowed from China, Saudi Arabia and Japan, among others. Just now, after a Democrat is elected president and after Democrats come very close to having an outright majority in Congress is anyone on the right concerned with the cost of war and the deficit and all the trillions of dollars in debt that have been run up under Bush.

Bushie doubled the debt in 8 years, Obama doubled that in less than 100 days.
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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:12 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Ah, why am I NOT surprised, coming from FOX!

you should be, its always interesting to watch how that disgrace of an Australian Murdoch conducts his business, I recall some months before the 2008 election that Murdoch was all for Obama.

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RE: FOX Television Refuses President's Address

Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:23 am



Quoting CALTECH (Reply 48):
Bushie doubled the debt in 8 years, Obama doubled that in less than 100 days.

An extremely simplistic view of the stimulus. Arguably, these are losses from over the last 8 years that were simply not realized until now because the people that lost the money couldn't hide the losses anymore.

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