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Toilets At Manchester University "de-gendered"

Fri May 01, 2009 5:09 pm

Apologies if this was posted before but I couldn't find it in a search. It's old news anyway, but it made me mad...

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A row has broken out at the University of Manchester after its students' union toilets were "de-gendered".
Temporary signs have made the "ladies" simply "toilets", while the "gents" have become "toilets with urinals".
The changes are in response to an unspecified number of complaints from trans students who are uncomfortable using the men's toilets.

Seriously... what is wrong with our society??
 
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Fri May 01, 2009 5:19 pm



Quoting Hywel (Thread starter):
The changes are in response to an unspecified number of complaints from trans students who are uncomfortable using the men's toilets.

They need to either grow a pair, or just use the ladies. Yet more PC gone mad  Yeah sure
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Fri May 01, 2009 5:33 pm



Quoting Hywel (Thread starter):
The changes are in response to an unspecified number of complaints from trans students who are uncomfortable using the men's toilets.

What a bunch of wimps! If you have a wheezer you are a man... If you don't you are a woman. use the correct restroom. If you have both parts I guess you could use whatever one is the cleanest and has the shortest line.

I for one don't like the idea of woman using the men's room. Why would they want to? It usually is dirty and stinky. I don't want to be taking the Browns to the Superbowl and blowing the place up and have a sweet dainty lady next to me.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Yet more PC gone mad Yeah sure

If they really wanted to be PC they would have a transgendered restroom. Of course that would cost the school plenty of money to build them and to take the time to keep them clean.

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Fri May 01, 2009 5:38 pm

I think this was around about the beginning of the current academic year (September/October time). I can see the concern, but it's a little bit of a silly way to tackle the problem. If they're so committed to equality, they should either have gone the whole hog and created unisex facilities across the board (rather than having two different kinds of unisex toilets!) or had a separate de-gendered toilet - maybe it could be combined with the accessible toilet facilities, which are usually unisex by default anyway. Oh, and improve their communication with the student population to facilitate tolerance of trans students. That would be more effective.

Student union types... they sometimes seem to become so divorced from reality that they don't even know what's going on outside the Union building...

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Fri May 01, 2009 6:21 pm



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 3):
Student union types... they sometimes seem to become so divorced from reality that they don't even know what's going on outside the Union building...

I'm sure a lot of them will try to convince us that the countless precedeing generations didn't understand and that they're the first generation that has all the answers. The rest of us will roll our eyes and say "here we go, yet again".
 
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Fri May 01, 2009 7:03 pm



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 3):
Oh, and improve their communication with the student population to facilitate tolerance of trans students

That might be more difficult to than one would think. I for one don't get the transgendered thing anyway. I am open to a lot of things but I still think a man is a man and a woman is a woman. I think that if you like to have sex with the same sex as you you are gay. If you like to have sex with the opposite sex you are straight and if you like both you are bi. I don't get the whole man in a woman's body/woman in a man's body business. I know there are a lot of people who agree with me. Like I said if you have man parts you use the men's room if you have woman parts use the ladies room. I don't see what the problem is. Lets say you were dressed like a man and you were a woman. If you looked manly you could go into the men's john and noboby would notice. If you were a man dressed like a woman and looked like woman you could easily get away with the ladies room. I used to work with a transgendered person. She/he always used the ladies room. She had no problem using the ladies room, but a lot of women that worked there didn't like the idea of her/him using the ladies room. We don't have the gay mens room and the straight mens room it is just the men's room. We don't need to have the I don't know what I am room.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 3):
or had a separate de-gendered toilet - maybe it could be combined with the accessible toilet facilities, which are usually unisex by default anyway.

They have those at a lot of places. They are also sometimes called family restrooms too. I like to use them if I need to sit down that way I can have my privacy.

The faculty restrooms we have at work are all one holers and they are gender nuetral, but men will use one and woman another. The ladies don't like the stinky mens room, even though anyone can use it.
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Fri May 01, 2009 7:41 pm



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 3):
Student union types... they sometimes seem to become so divorced from reality that they don't even know what's going on outside the Union building...

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Fri May 01, 2009 9:21 pm

Here at "progressive" UC-Berkeley, we've already got co-ed bathrooms in the residence halls. Needless to say, no guys use the urinals...
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Fri May 01, 2009 10:49 pm



Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 7):
Here at "progressive" UC-Berkeley, we've already got co-ed bathrooms in the residence halls. Needless to say, no guys use the urinals...

You're a Weenie? I had no idea. That's such a pity.

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At Stanford my co-op (Chi Theta Chi) had bathrooms that were VERY co-ed. Like, even the showers. My general rule was that if there was someone already in the showers, I'd ask who was in there. If a male voice answered, I'd ask if I could come in. If a female voice answered I'd say that I was going to go downstairs to the other shower. If she then said "that's OK! You can come in!" then I'd go in. We all got quite comfortable with each-other.

There was even a urinal right next to the door, so if you were having a wizz and someone walked in, they'd see it all.

And very quickly, I learned not to care. It sounds a bit odd at first and it took some getting used to, but everyone needs to shower, everyone needs to pee, and everyone needs to brush their teeth.
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Fri May 01, 2009 10:55 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
Quoting IH8BY (Reply 3):
Student union types... they sometimes seem to become so divorced from reality that they don't even know what's going on outside the Union building...

Welcome to the politician of tomorrow...

God, thinking of that makes me worried!

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Fri May 01, 2009 11:13 pm

I don't see what the big deal is. When I was an undergrad (7-11 years ago) all of our residence hall restrooms were coed!
 
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Sat May 02, 2009 2:04 am

Who really cares. I was at College in Montreal in 1972 for christ sake and we had unisex washrooms THEN. Like this is something new? Who cares.
 
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Sat May 02, 2009 3:38 am



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2):
If you have both parts I guess you could use whatever one is the cleanest and has the shortest line.

 spit  hold the phone here...

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2):
If you have both parts

Seek medical help immediately if that's the case!!  duck 

Well,

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Sat May 02, 2009 3:50 am

The world must have passed by me.....

I thought women use a womens restroom and men use a mens restroom....every eatery, rest stop, airport, and company I've been to or worked for has had this arrangement.  Confused
 
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Sat May 02, 2009 6:24 am

In similar but equally stupid vein here in usually not too PC-mad South Africa....

You know the ladies and gents signs? Well, following complaints from Moslem groups that the lady's dress was too short, it has become LEGISLATION that all the signs must be replaced with a new sign with a long dress.
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RE: Toilets At Manchester University "de-gendered"

Sat May 02, 2009 6:59 am

I'd give it a week, until some girl goes to the Administration complaining of sexual harassment, then those gender specific signs will go right back up again.

When i was in college the idea of boys and girls sharing a communal restroom/showering facility was pretty well unheard of. There were co-ed suites, but only in the sense that boys and girls lived on the same floor, but it was always four men in one suite connected by a bathroom, four women in the next. two boys and two girls in connecting suites? never would've happened when i was in school, to much of a temptation for kids to be doing things other than "studying." And boys and girls living together in university sponsored housing? sharing facilities? that never would have happened, period.
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RE: Toilets At Manchester University "de-gendered"

Sat May 02, 2009 8:19 am



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 5):
I don't know what I am room.

How about the 'I do know what I am, but I am in thw rong body room'.

Quoting SASD209 (Reply 13):
The world must have passed by me.....

I thought women use a womens restroom and men use a mens restroom....every eatery, rest stop, airport, and company I've been to or worked for has had this arrangement.

Me too

I have never seen one either. I know this one is based at a university, but I would have reservations about my daughter usind a unisex toilet.
 
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Sat May 02, 2009 9:41 am



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
Welcome to the politician of tomorrow...

I know loads of people who I think would be great at running the country, but none of them have the slightest inclination towards going into politics, mostly because they're too principled, too sensible, or just too nice really!

I always think I'd like to get into politics and make a change, but I fear what the system would do to me...
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Sat May 02, 2009 10:05 am



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 17):
I always think I'd like to get into politics and make a change, but I fear what the system would do to me...

Me too

I work for the local council and I often think I could do a better job than the councilors. To me they seem like 2 gangs slugging it out in a school playground, trying to make the other seem worse than they are, and not devoting all efforts to making our lives better.
 
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RE: Toilets At Manchester University "de-gendered"

Sat May 02, 2009 11:24 am

Well, I think, if a transgendered person has finished the surgeries, and looks like a male/female, he/she can use the mens/womans restrooms. Why not? Before, I think, it's easier to use the restroom of the gender, they were born in.

A close friend of mine is a transgender. He was born as a girl, his name was Christine. He always played football with us , and he was just like us. Wearing the same clothes than us, talking like us, just the same, except, he had no penis, but he always said, someday it will grow on him as well. We called him simply Chris, and he was one of us.

As we were teens, he suddenly became a females body, and he was very unhappy about that.
And for us it was strange, a females body and him, that just didn't match.
Then I moved away, and I lost contact to him.

Two years ago I saw him again, but first, I didn't know, that it was him. A man came to me, and said:" Hey! Do you still know me? It's me, Chris!"
He's got a beard, heavy muscles, a deep voice, there's nothing left of the females body, he once had.
He even got a penis and testicles.

So, why not? He is very happy now, he is married to a beautiful woman, and they adopted 2 kids.

I think, for us, who we are not transgendered, it's nearly impossible, to imagine, what they're going through, and why. I once tried to imagine, what it would be like, to wake up in the morning, and having a females body, everyone would refer to me as a woman. I didn't like this imagination at all.
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RE: Toilets At Manchester University "de-gendered"

Sat May 02, 2009 1:19 pm



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 17):
I always think I'd like to get into politics and make a change, but I fear what the system would do to me...

Yeap, I have thought about it, but the 'politics' encountered during mock sessions at my old school was quite enough to put me off the idea for now. Bickering, big headed twirps who think that they are so self important that everyone else should pander to their needs seem to crop up all to often in such circles.
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