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Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Sun May 03, 2009 2:33 am

If you go to a bar, pub or restaurant you can have your choice of beer but why do virtually all restaurants only serve Coke or Pepsi but not both? Almost every time I go to a restaurant and I ask for a Coke, the server says "is Pepsi okay?"
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Sun May 03, 2009 2:42 am



Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
If you go to a bar, pub or restaurant you can have your choice of beer but why do virtually all restaurants only serve Coke or Pepsi but not both? Almost every time I go to a restaurant and I ask for a Coke, the server says "is Pepsi okay?"

That's a good question. I think it's because restaurants have contracts with different brands, i.e. Coca-cola or Pepsi products. That's how my first university worked as well; they had a contract with Pepsi, so Pepsi, diet pepsi, sierra mist, etc were the norm.

With Beer, everyone is independent Miller doesn't own Coors; Yuengling doesn't own Budweiser, etc...

Maybe if they were to have Pepsi, Coca-cola, Sprite, 7up, Sierra Mist, etc just all be independent of one another, but... well...
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Sun May 03, 2009 5:03 am



Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
If you go to a bar, pub or restaurant you can have your choice of beer but why do virtually all restaurants only serve Coke or Pepsi but not both? Almost every time I go to a restaurant and I ask for a Coke, the server says "is Pepsi okay?"

Coke and Pepsi are the only two major players in the marketplace so they can bully the business into going with one or the other. With beer, you have a much wider variety and so it'd probably take a lot of money for Miller or Bud to tell a bar owner to ONLY serve their brand.

My university was also a Pepsi school. Aside from Cherry Pepsi, I really abhor Pepsi products.
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Sun May 03, 2009 5:37 am



Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
"is Pepsi okay?"

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This makes me mad, but what really tees me off is when the resturant changes the beverage they carry. I pick what burger I buy by which softdrink I can have, because lets face it, most fastfood burgers taste the same (like cardboard.) When I go the the place that I know I can get coke products and all of a sudden they have pepsi, wham my day is ruined. (well not actually ruined, but i was on a roll with this rant)
 
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Sun May 03, 2009 6:20 am



Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
"is Pepsi okay?"

"No Pepsi is not okay, I asked for Coke"

Depending what mood I am in that might make me get up and leave.
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Sun May 03, 2009 12:04 pm

Some bars and pubs will be tied into a contract with a supplier for certain things, especially if you want them to provide the equipment for you. I'm pretty sure that it's the case with Coke and Pepsi (and since it's mostly sold as a mixer, bars seem to think that you won't mind which one you get). Bars and pubs which stock Coca-Cola in glass bottles - not the pointless 180ml mixer size but the full-size 330ml bottles - get my vote.

The bar in which I occasionally work recently changed suppliers, and as part of the contract we had to stock at least the basic core of the supplier's preferred beer brands. There seems to be, however, a certain amount of latitude given within the contract, in particular for bottled lagers and cask ales.

Currently the bar has on tap a suitably generic selection of mainstream drinks:
Fosters (£1.40)
Carlsberg (£1.30)
San Miguel (£1.50)
Kronenbourg 1664 (£1.50)
Guinness (£1.50)
Strongbow (£1.40)

Plus three guest ales at £1.60 (currently St. Austell 'Tribute', Everard's 'Tiger', and Deuchars IPA)

Bottles, however, include Corona, Kopparberg, Bud, plus assorted premixes such as Smirnoff Ice and VK.
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Sun May 03, 2009 3:43 pm



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 5):
Some bars and pubs will be tied into a contract with a supplier for certain things, especially if you want them to provide the equipment for you

As someone who is in the beverage industry, that is quite true. If you agree to use our company as your coffee and tea supplier and wish to use our equipment, you have to use our product. Now if you have you own equipment (Coffee brewers, tea brewers, and tea urns are readily available through restaurant supply companies.), we can't force them to always buy our product because we don't have any equipment invested in the account.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 5):
I'm pretty sure that it's the case with Coke and Pepsi (and since it's mostly sold as a mixer, bars seem to think that you won't mind which one you get).

In many cases, the cola/soft drink in your mixed drink may actually be a generic pre-mix made by one of the companies that makes private label sodas like you see in grocery stores. If the bar/pub doesn't buy their sodas through the local Coke or Pepsi distributor, they may be buying it through a vendor that handles the bar guns most bars use to dispense mixers with. These vendors will typically offer Coke products, Pepsi products, generic private label products, or a lesser known brand (like R.C. Cola). Many establishments, in order to keep costs down, will use the generic sodas or a smaller brand since they are cheaper than the Coke or Pepsi equivalents and since most folks will be drinking them in a mixed drink, it's not as important brand wise. Some establishments will use Coke or Pepsi products for standalone use (Customer drinks), but will use the generic products for bar use.

In some cases, the Coke or Pepsi distributor an establishment is using will also force them to add things that they don't necessarily want in order to allow them to use their equipment. Coke forced many independent c-stores and restaurants to add their Gold Peak tea product to their fountain offerings in order to get upgraded equipment. Most restaurants prefer using fresh brewed tea over a tea concentrate because their customers prefer the taste. So those bags of pre-mix will sit there until they reach their expiration date. In a C-store setting, iced tea, regardless of it being a pre-mix concentrate or fresh brewed, does not sell too well. Some coffee services also are in the fountain business, and if you want to get their fountain service, you have to get their coffee and tea services as well, and if you drop one, you have to drop all of them. So if you don't like their coffee and/or tea and want to switch, you have find a new vendor for your fountain as well as one for your coffee and tea, as not all coffee/tea services are in the fountain business. So that puts an establishment over a barrel in terms of choice.
 
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Mon May 04, 2009 8:23 am

Overhere in Beligum, pubs are usually under contract for their beer to a certain brewery group. Inbev has a big marketshare here, so you often can only get their beers. Another large group is Alken-Maes, which also has a variety of beers to offer. Quite often, it's even the brewery that owns the pub and rents it out. As for soft drinks, it all depends, a lot of pub owners don't have a contract with a soft drink company, but with a local distributor, who holds a variety of soft drinks, so the pub owners are free to get whatever brand they want.
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Wed May 06, 2009 6:56 pm

Does it really matter with a fountain drink whether you get Coke or Pepsi? Most drinks from a fountain seem weak and fizzy to me. I recall reading somewhere, years ago, that the best deli's only served their carbonated beverages in the can (or maybe it was glass bottles at that time).

Is there much flexibility in how bars and fast-food restaurants set up their fountain drinks?

I think the best place I've had a fountain drink is Pepsi from Taco Bell. I'm not a real connoisseur but Pepsi from Taco Bell does seem consistently better to me.
 
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Wed May 06, 2009 7:51 pm



Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 3):
I pick what burger I buy by which softdrink I can have,

You are in a very small minority.

But the number of people who will not go to a bar because it does not have their favorite beer is HUGE.
 
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Wed May 06, 2009 8:10 pm



Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 8):

Is there much flexibility in how bars and fast-food restaurants set up their fountain drinks?

Depends on the contracts. Since fast food restaurants typically grow by selling franchises or selling locations to a franchisee, they actually set a number of guidelines for the franchisee. The fountain contract is nearly always a set in stone thing, as the company has an exclusive agreement with Coke or Pepsi. The agreement can change over the years and the chain may switch brands when the contact is up for renewal (For example, Burger King switching from Pepsi to Coke back in the early 1990s.). For things like coffee and tea, some chains do offer their franchisees some flexibility there, but most have exclusive deals with certain companies as well and those products are sent with normal store orders as opposed to having that vendor make a delivery at that location.

As for bars, it really can depend on if they are a chain bar/restaurant. They too could have exclusive supplier deals as well. Then again, the franchiser could be more open in terms of what cola brand and what coffee and tea supplier a store uses. Our company supplies coffee and tea to some franchised locations of a southwestern bar & grill chain and they actually do have some leeway in terms of coffee and tea. We've also picked up the local franchisee of a major pub chain (He has the rights to the Atlanta area), and he's about to open a second location, which we're also supposed to get (We got the first location because the person he hired as one of his managers used to run one of our other accounts and they brought our company onboard and the owner is very satisfied with our product and with the service.).
 
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Wed May 06, 2009 8:42 pm



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
The fountain contract is nearly always a set in stone thing

Pepsi bought the restaurant chains Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and KFC/ Kentucky Fried Chicken to lock in their soda contracts.

Even when the restaurants were spun off into a separate company in 1997, the separation agreement carried a lengthy commitment to Pepsi. That commitment is worldwide, not just the US.

Though most of the US restaurants are franchise, and most of the overseas restaurants are local franchise or joint venture companies - Pepsi is still a key part of the contract.
 
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Thu May 07, 2009 6:34 pm



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 11):
Pepsi bought the restaurant chains Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and KFC/ Kentucky Fried Chicken to lock in their soda contracts.

Even when the restaurants were spun off into a separate company in 1997, the separation agreement carried a lengthy commitment to Pepsi. That commitment is worldwide, not just the US.

Is there some law preventing the brewers from buying pubs, bars etc?, that idea worked for Pepsi and Coke, maybe the beer makers can learn a thing or two, rather than selecting a beer from the menu, a customer would select one of the numerous bars on the street that carriers your beer.
 
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Thu May 07, 2009 8:17 pm

I know Panera Bread sells only pepsi products. Most if not all Books-A- Million stores carry coke products. I believe Barnes A Noble carries only Pepsi products.

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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Thu May 07, 2009 9:01 pm



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 11):
Even when the restaurants were spun off into a separate company in 1997, the separation agreement carried a lengthy commitment to Pepsi. That commitment is worldwide, not just the US.

Though most of the US restaurants are franchise, and most of the overseas restaurants are local franchise or joint venture companies - Pepsi is still a key part of the contract.

It did have a lengthy agreement, but I don't believe it is in effect anymore. I can only speak for Pizza Hut but I know their second largest franchise is switching to Coke as soon as their contract is up (less than a year) because they have a lot of stores in Atlanta where Pepsi doesn't do so well.
 
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RE: Budweiser Or Miller But Not Coke Or Pepsi

Fri May 08, 2009 7:46 am

Texas Roadhouse does not serve Dr. Pepper. That irks my gf a lot....  boggled 
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