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Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 4:03 am

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"Australians go everywhere, and everywhere they go they get into trouble," a senior official from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade says. "It makes you proud."

TOUCHING up a Singapore Airlines flight attendant, giving drinkers "wedgies" at Oktoberfest and pilfering bar mats from Phuket bars. Australians love to travel and are, it seems, finding ever more unorthodox ways of extending time overseas - even if it means bunking down in the lock-up.
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Typical Australian travel photo: sitting at the bar with a beer bottle in hand.

Maybe Australian immigration and emigration desks should be equipped with breathalisers - or at the application for a passport.

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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 4:52 am



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
Australians love to travel and are, it seems, finding ever more unorthodox ways of extending time overseas - even if it means bunking down in the lock-up.

Well the country was founded as a penal colony after all  Wink
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 5:07 am



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Well the country was founded as a penal colony after all Wink

No that's our inbound tourist strategy. Previously you could get great holiday add-ons like Nauru or Chirstmas Island thrown in for free.  Smile
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 5:23 am

And I thought Aussie cricketers were selected on the basis of their high moral degradation and were thus the worst.  Wink
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 5:46 am

Aussie men are more than recognized among Japanese women as easy skirt-chasing sex fiends  Wink
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 6:38 am



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 3):
And I thought Aussie cricketers were selected on the basis of their high moral degradation and were thus the worst.

While I have to admit you may have something about Aus cricketers, boosting how objectionable Aus tourists are is just another example of chavinism and special pleading.

Even with cricketers, we might be on shaky grounds. Have any Aus cricketers flown under the Tower bridge (thank you Mr Gower, that most gentle of gentlemen and elegant of left hand batsmen, only R W Barber might have been better, but he did not go low flying in Brissie). Ask yourself how England lost the last Ashes series? "While under the influence" seems to have been the answer.

And how do Aus tourists really compare with the UK mobs of folk bent on getting drunk on English beer wherever they go?

Anyone wanting a reality check on how awful Aus tourists are should take a Garuda flight from Syd to Jakarta.

From Syd to Bali you will be embarrassed beyond belief as to how awful Aus tourists are even before they start.

Then the plane lands and the yobs get off. To be replaced by

Flight one. A mass of Dutchies, who make you long for the Aus yobs. Mind they have had a couple of weeks practice so maybe the comparison is not valid, but it is still awful.

So you try again another time.

Flight two. The Aus yobs are just as bad and when they get off in Denpasar you think, "cannot be that many Dutchies to get on this time". Nope, this time it is Japanese. And lo and behold they make you wish for all those nice drunk Dutchies again.

Basically, I don't think that Aus can claim any special abilities in the awful tourist line. Alas, we are just average, Edna Everage in fact, even though Bazza MacKenzie did do his best.
 
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 6:42 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Nope, this time it is Japanese.

My favorite gripe on that is that regardless of country, they are generally completely unable to either a) walk in a straight line or b) use an escalator properly.
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 6:53 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Nope, this time it is Japanese.

My favorite gripe on that is that regardless of country, they are generally completely unable to either a) walk in a straight line or b) use an escalator properly.

a) was probably fully operative, but luckily there was no opportunity to check b).  Big grin Aside from being rather over capacity, the ones on Garuda were awful to the rather gentle Garuda FAs and also decided to rearrange the seating to suit themselves. Quite amazing performance. Not sure what would happen in these days of Terry Wrist* alarms but they just took over the plane as surely as any hijack!

I was once talking to a Javanese and he remarked he had just come back from Bali. I asked why he had been to Bali, answer "To see the Australians". Interpret that how you will.

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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 6:57 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Basically, I don't think that Aus can claim any special abilities in the awful tourist line.

I think I'd tend to agree, as for my cricket comment, you know I was half-kidding, you know how I have been pissed off at cricket of late.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Have any Aus cricketers flown under the Tower bridge (thank you Mr Gower, that most gentle of gentlemen and elegant of left hand batsmen, only R W Barber might have been better, but he did not go low flying in Brissie).

hmmm, gotta look that one up.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Ask yourself how England lost the last Ashes series? "While under the influence" seems to have been the answer.

I don't even feel like looking this one up, I wonder if I'll ever be excited by cricket. I have given up on it, but England are a crappy team anyway. Big grin
 
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 7:17 am

Ah, I made the error of going to London during Australia day! Tons and tons of rude drunk Australians, being rowdy, pushing people around in the tube.... Kinda destroyed the image I had of the Ozzies...
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Mon May 25, 2009 7:29 am

Forget Bali/Indonesia that's close to home and expect lost of Aussie yobs there...but LAX?!! The place is full of rude Aussies, especially in and around the QF terminals/check-in areas and outside TBIT.

Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
Australians love to travel and are, it seems, finding ever more unorthodox ways of extending time overseas - even if it means bunking down in the lock-up.

Well looks like KRudd's stimulus money is being put to good use.
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Mon May 25, 2009 8:14 am

We sent you guys down there for a reason, kindly stay down there and stop coming back to visit  Silly
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 9:04 am



Quoting Bwest (Reply 9):
Ah, I made the error of going to London during Australia day! Tons and tons of rude drunk Australians, being rowdy, pushing people around in the tube

Strangely Australia day is celebrated harder in London than in Australia, i would definatly say i saw more Australian flags on Australia day in Central London than you would see in a normal year in Australia. But the same goes for national day of other countries such as New Zealand.

I notice in the article it mentions Aussie behaviour at oktoberfest, the incident mentioned happend 3 years ago, and again 2 years ago it was a similar story again. BUT both these incidents occured in the Hofbrau hall, a place known to house a massive amount of Aussies and Qiwis and the incidents are not just confined to the Aussies, basicly if u want a nice quiet place to drink try a differant hall, Hofbrau is messy.

Yes Australians are rowdy when traveling but so are many nations. Most of these trouble hotspots are marketed to attract these crowds though, place an Aussie themed pub somewhere, or an event that involves alcohol and a party and the Aussies will come, but dont complain when things get out of hand, im not excusing those that steal things for hell of it.

The majority of these issues are happening in places that are cheap to visit, therefor attracting a cheaper crowd if you get what im saying, the type of crowd that go just to say "i went overseas" because they couldnt afford to go anywhere that costs more than a stimulus package
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 9:14 am

Every country would have their "ugly" travellers and Australians are not immune to it. I guess it must have been a slow news day for Sydney Morning Herald. That being said, it has been always an un-written rule on SQ flights to be aware and on the lookout for drunken Aussies amongst the cabin crew on flights to and from Australia.

Just last year a SIN-BNE flight was diverted to Darwin all because someone got drunk and started cussing on board. Not only was he fined in court for the rowdy behaviour on the plane, this man was also made to pay the cost of the diversion which was almost AUD 20k.

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Mon May 25, 2009 9:15 am

At least it's not just the Brits who have a bad repuation away from home.
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 9:49 am



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 8):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Basically, I don't think that Aus can claim any special abilities in the awful tourist line.

I think I'd tend to agree, as for my cricket comment, you know I was half-kidding, you know how I have been pissed off at cricket of late.


Tend to agree, no one national/ethnic group has a lock on bad behaviour abroad. Canadians, Americans, Brits, Dutch, Germans, etc. I've seen it all, much of it alcohol-fuelled.

I wonder if we'll see similar when masses of Chinese start going on package deals in SE Asia -- if not already doing so ?
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 10:42 am



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 11):
We sent you guys down there for a reason, kindly stay down there and stop coming back to visit

Cannot argue there Nighthawk, but fair suck of the sauce bottle, I googled UK Backpackers in Aus Google, and here is the first real item below the sponsored ones.
http://notes.med.unsw.edu.au/ndarcwe...C9D97CA2571810000B076?OpenDocument
Sexual behaviour and drug use among UK backpackers

Of course with that headline, there is no need to read on to find what it actually is!!

But look we need the backpackers to replace all the folk we are exporting courtesy of the KRudd stimulus and all we can do is hope that they are suitable raw material to be honed into protobogans - they cannot become true bogans, you must be born to that, not bred.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 8):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Have any Aus cricketers flown under the Tower bridge (thank you Mr Gower, that most gentle of gentlemen and elegant of left hand batsmen, only R W Barber might have been better, but he did not go low flying in Brissie).

hmmm, gotta look that one up.

From Wiki:
More controversially, during the 1991 Ashes Tour in Australia, England were playing a warm up match in Queensland when Gower together with batsman John Morris, chose to go for a joy-ride in two Tiger Moth biplane without telling the England team management.[24] Both had been dismissed earlier that day, however they decided not to remain at the ground to "watch Allan Lamb and Robin Smith flat the Queensland attack before a small crowd".[25] For this, Gower was fined £1000, a penalty that could have been steeper had he released the waterbombs he had also prepared.[26] Gower also posed for press photographs with the plane the next day.

Gooch was enraged, as he was by Gower's mode of dismissal at a crucial stage of one of the Test matches. During the fourth Test at Adelaide, Gower walked out to the crease to the tune of Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.


The intent to water bomb the ground puts him up with the best???

It appears that during the last Ashes series, Freddie Flintoff was still celebrating winning the Ashes in England 18 months earlier, and who knows what Petersen was thinking about.
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 1:21 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
And how do Aus tourists really compare with the UK mobs of folk bent on getting drunk on English beer wherever they go?

The Australians I have seen in Ios are much worse than the English. They tend to become much more violent when drunk while the English tend to just ridicule themselves.
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 1:26 pm



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
"Australians go everywhere, and everywhere they go they get into trouble," a senior official from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade says. "It makes you proud."

Went to the Rugby 7's at Twickenham this weekend. There were a huge amount of Australians "behaving badly", relative to the amount that were there.

No stats to back that up; just an observation from where I was sat.

I don't have a huge problem with it tho - as long as it's not dangerous.
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 1:31 pm

I have to say I always found the Aussie and NZ tourists ok. They drink and have fun and I never had a problem with them. I guess there are good and bad in all countries but I personally wouldnt put them as bad as the English and recently some of the Irish and Scottish are catching up on them.
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 6:30 pm



Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 12):
The majority of these issues are happening in places that are cheap to visit, therefor attracting a cheaper crowd if you get what im saying, the type of crowd that go just to say "i went overseas" because they couldnt afford to go anywhere that costs more than a stimulus package

Therein lies the nub of the problem (and it's not just confined to Aussies): cheap destinations mean cheap booze, and large groups of young carefree males getting hammered is a recipe for trouble.
 
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Mon May 25, 2009 7:42 pm

Funny this topic came up now also ::

Bad Habits: UK 'Nun' Tourists Walk Free

A group of British tourists have escaped punishment after being arrested on a Greek island for dressing up in nun costumes.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...rom_Court_On_Greek_Island_Of_Crete
 
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Mon May 25, 2009 10:54 pm

Perhaps what has to happen is those countries and locations that frequently get problems from tourists from any country is to change their tourism marketing and promotion. Certain Florida cities in the mid-1980's got tired of massive numbers of 'spring breakers' comming in and acting in criminal ways. The change in the drinking age to 21 nationally helped, but places like Fort Lauderdale put in laws or put in massive enforcement to end loitering, public drunkness, damage to hotels rooms, car crusing on the beach road, closing beaches between dusk and dawn. The local governments told hotels to put in strict rules as to renting rooms to those under 21, number of persons in each room, legal responsiblity for underaged drinking, ending various sexualized drinking related contests. They also marketed in a way to tell the kiddies to get lost, you are not wanted here and then encouraged higher end Euro and American adult or family tourists to replace the 'kids'.
Other locations should also put in strict laws and strong police enforcement as to public drinking or public drunkness, harassment of women and locals, along with hefty fines, suspension of visas and deporting with a ban on any return for a set number of years of persons who commit criminal acts. They could end practices as to access to cheap alcohol by charging higher prices, enforce laws on serving intoxicated persons, charging for injuries and damage due to drunkness/drug use as well as making an example of violators of law by terms in jail.
 
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RE: Australians Behaving Badly Overseas

Tue May 26, 2009 12:28 am



Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 12):
Strangely Australia day is celebrated harder in London than in Australia, i would definatly say i saw more Australian flags on Australia day in Central London than you would see in a normal year in Australia.

You obviously haven't been in the Sutherland Shire of Sydney during Australia Day. All the utes out with the multiple flags fluttering, the kids draped in the flag dining out a McDonalds.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 3):
And I thought Aussie cricketers were selected on the basis of their high moral degradation and were thus the worst.

That's because the Cronulla (a suburb of Sutherland) Sharks have a local beach on which to play rather than go to Bali. But I have heard of other thugby league teams going overseas post season.
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Tue May 26, 2009 4:49 am



Quoting Allrite (Reply 23):
Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 3):
And I thought Aussie cricketers were selected on the basis of their high moral degradation and were thus the worst.

That's because the Cronulla (a suburb of Sutherland) Sharks have a local beach on which to play rather than go to Bali. But I have heard of other thugby league teams going overseas post season.

Meanwhile Roy seems to have done his best to support Bravo by winning the IPL contest more with mouth than bat and ball!

And in other news, Sol Trujillo with assistance from a BBC interviewer who surely has a career in comedy:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,25539696-5001021,00.html

FORMER Telstra boss Sol Trujillo has told the BBC that being in Australia was like "stepping back in time" and Australia was a racist country.

After a four-year stint as Telstra CEO which earnt him some $31 million, Mr Trujillo has been quick to pour scorn on the Rudd Government since leaving Australia 10 days ago.

On Thursday, he labelled Prime Minister Rudd's $43b fibre-optic network as a political stunt, saying he'll comment in five years if it ever happens.


Well buddy, if you have Mexican ancestry and turn up with two friends which country would not call you the Three Amigos?

James Valentine on ABC radio suggests that this is all true, and points out that the SCG banning the Mexican wave is obviously racist but is puzzled why we are calling it Swine flu.
 
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Tue May 26, 2009 6:00 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 24):
And in other news, Sol Trujillo with assistance from a BBC interviewer who surely has a career in comedy:

I actually flew in a Qantas Link turboprop from Canberra to Sydney with Sol a couple of rows ahead of me (haha no business class). Very personable, and I think that he does have a point as the media kept subtly and not-so-subtly referring to his latin heritage. Still, I'm sure that the discrimination was more to do with the moustache than anything else. And he was an absolutely crap CEO who deserved very little of what he was paid. Apparently had a heritage of mismanagement (errr short term share rise while wrecking the place)  Smile
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Tue May 26, 2009 6:20 am



Quoting Allrite (Reply 25):
Still, I'm sure that the discrimination was more to do with the moustache than anything else. And he was an absolutely crap CEO who deserved very little of what he was paid. Apparently had a heritage of mismanagement (errr short term share rise while wrecking the place)

You are lucky that the plane did not crash to join Telstra shares when you think about it! All in all, it is a bit surprising that Unca Donald did not leave with Sol to form a quartet. I am surprised how Howard has been able to escape blame for that wonderful set of appointments. Then again, maybe the guys who brought us Bastard Boys are working away to bring us The Three Amigos or some combination thereof.

I think Sol is using the racism accusation to try to draw attention away from yet another awful record of mismanagement. If you turn up with two friends, a name like Trujillo and two friends, which country is NOT going to refer to you as the Three Amigos and if not why not?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
I have to say I always found the Aussie and NZ tourists ok. They drink and have fun and I never had a problem with them. I guess there are good and bad in all countries but I personally wouldn't put them as bad as the English and recently some of the Irish and Scottish are catching up on them.

My guess is that Aus about lives up to Edna's name and Humphrey's intent. Let us not get ideas above our station even in the matter of yobbishness. It is true that Kath and Kim did manage to make a better art form of it than most and it is true that the US obviously never understood more than 5% when they tried the US version - just awful. Some things do not translate, when will folk learn that?

Aus will have a long way to go to get the reputation that UK football followers (I did not use the word fan) managed to accumulate, but I do have my fingers crossed with the Ashes coming up. Who knows what they might manage with a bit of effort.
 
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Tue May 26, 2009 5:21 pm



Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 12):
Strangely Australia day is celebrated harder in London than in Australia, i would definatly say i saw more Australian flags on Australia day in Central London than you would see in a normal year in Australia. But the same goes for national day of other countries such as New Zealand.

St. Patrick's Day in the US is like that when compared to Ireland.
 
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Wed May 27, 2009 12:20 am



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 27):
St. Patrick's Day in the US is like that when compared to Ireland.

Same in Canada and I'm sure in Australia as I saw a lot of ads for St. Patty's day when I was there in February and Early March.
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