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France And Its Ways (Part Deux)

Fri May 29, 2009 5:31 am

This is a follow-up to a discussion that Toulouse started back in April he entitled, France and its Ways. It has since been archived so I can't simply add another reply. But to get your juices flowing again, here's the opening paragraph or two to Toulouse's essay.

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WARNING: LONG!!!!

A personal disclaimer... this is a personal rant. This thread is in no way intended to provoke any derogatory posts towards the French or france in general, so I’d ask anyone who wants to make some wise mark or take a cheap shot at this country, to think before posting.

My reason for posting has two objectives: firstly to rant and get something off my chest, and secondly to get the insight of other foreigners living in france and of course the opinions of native French a.netters are welcome!

So a quick bit of background. I’ve been living in france for some 7 years’ now. What is my general impression of france: it’s a magnificent country, filled with incredible culture, history, sights, landscapes. And my impressions of the French? Knowing it’s not good to generalise about an entire nationality, but well, here’s my view. To be honest, I was rather surprised once I arrived as I found the French to be much more welcoming than I had expected. In general, they are very courteous people, sometimes even over-courteous and one sometimes must be forgiven for wondering how genuine their politeness is. They are friendly in general, and I must say I have always been made feel welcome. On the other hand, they are rather reserved for my liking, and striking up good friendships is difficult. When I compare to them to the people back home, well I love going back to Ireland as I find the Irish to be friendlier in an “informal” way, and are much more down-to-earth than the French. But all in all, the French are human beings as we all are, each person is an individual, but overall my impressions of the French in a “generalised” view are positive.

And here is my “but”, the reason for my rant. I CANNOT stand the system! I’m sick of it! It’s been driving me mad since I arrived, made me very bitter for a while, now I just view it all as stupidity and don’t let it bother me. Possible mainly because myself and the missus have decided it may be time to leave this beautiful country, and knowing that, I can’t wait to leave. Don’t get me wrong French friends, I have no regrets over my 7 years in france, have made good friends, and plan to return many times, but on holidays... as in my view, france is a great place for a holiday, but to live, Non merci!

Why you may ask? Well it all boils down to the bloody French system, bureaucracy, everything implemented by the government, which while I think many politicians are useless world-wide, the bunch of idiots that always seem to lead this country are just making things worse and worse for the French people....

Listening to CBC Radio tonight, I discovered a delightful five-part series on France, on its idealist roots and its modern-day reality, and how the reality of today is failing its idealist vision so miserably.

It will involve about 4 1/2 hours of listening to the documentaries but they are very interesting and enlightening. I heard Part 4 tonight.

Here is the link to the cbc.ca/ideas feature on France.
 
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RE: France And Its Ways (Part Deux)

Fri May 29, 2009 10:36 am

Thanks Czbbflier. Didn't get a chance to post again. France started causing me problems again (naughty little country!) LOL. Anyway, this has made us decide to finally say "au revoir" to France, as residents anyway, we'll certainly be back to visit). But still won't probably leave to beginning of next year... moving country again, is a big step!

Will listen to those documentaries and be back to post.
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RE: France And Its Ways (Part Deux)

Fri May 29, 2009 11:19 am



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Thanks Czbbflier. Didn't get a chance to post again. France started causing me problems again (naughty little country!) LOL. Anyway, this has made us decide to finally say "au revoir" to France, as residents anyway, we'll certainly be back to visit). But still won't probably leave to beginning of next year... moving country again, is a big step!

Will listen to those documentaries and be back to post.

Well...there's always French-speaking Switzerland.  bigthumbsup 
oh boy, here we go!!!
 
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RE: France And Its Ways (Part Deux)

Fri May 29, 2009 11:40 am



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Well...there's always French-speaking Switzerland.

Have often considered it. I love Switzerland from the French, to the German to the Italian speaking area. A truly great little nation!
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RE: France And Its Ways (Part Deux)

Fri May 29, 2009 12:03 pm



Quoting Czbbflier (Thread starter):
Listening to CBC Radio tonight, I discovered a delightful five-part series on France, on its idealist roots and its modern-day reality, and how the reality of today is failing its idealist vision so miserably.

It will involve about 4 1/2 hours of listening to the documentaries but they are very interesting and enlightening. I heard Part 4 tonight.

Here is the link to the cbc.ca/ideas feature on France.

Thank you very much for posting this. I find it an excellent report done in very much detail.

It explains the how and the why of events, traditions, history and everyday life in the country throughout the years and also the present day France.
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RE: France And Its Ways (Part Deux)

Fri May 29, 2009 2:56 pm

I'm french-canadian (it means that in France language is not a barrier to me).

I've been in France 3 weeks last summer and I enjoyed every minute of it. I think that we, in North America, have a few things to learn from France.

But apparently, yes, there is a problem with bureaucracy in France. There a re nearly 200,000 french people now living in Québec, and although there are, obviously, things they don't like, it seems that the one thing they truly, genuinely, wholeheartedly appreciate it is the simplicity of the interaction with the institutions.

Typical frenc person reaction here: Quoi ?! Only a phone call to get branched to the electricity service here? Is that a joke or what?

Other than that, France is truly a magnificent country. I haven't lived there, but I wish I could try it some day.
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