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Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 4:43 pm

This week, Rush Limbaugh equated Sonia Sotomayor to Klan leader David Duke. This morning on all the Sunday Talk shows, various hosts have asked Republicans, such as Mitch McConnell and Jeff Sessions, if they repudiate such bombastic comments from the likes of Limbaugh and Gingrich. In every case, the REpublican would say "those aren't the words I would use" but then say "but other people can say what they want." Mitch McConnell went so far as to say that it isn't his job to police what other Republicans say.

Huh?

Limbaugh calling Sotomayor like David Duke was so clearly ridiculous and repugnant, and that is the kind of discussion that is costing the Republican party elections in 2006, 2008, and if this trend continues, certainly 2010 as well. We *need* elected Republicans (like John Cornyn) to say "actually, Limbaugh's equating Sotomayor to the leader of a violent hate group responsible for the injury and deaths of many minorities in our country is despicable, and intolerable."

Why can't they do it?
 
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 6:47 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Limbaugh calling Sotomayor like David Duke was so clearly ridiculous and repugnant

Is it really so clearly ridiculous? She is involved with La Raza which is a racist organization and has made clearly racist statements. Seems like a fair comparison to me.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 7:08 pm



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 1):
She is involved with La Raza which is a racist organization

Honest question: had you ever heard of La Raza before?

Another honest question: what violent criminal activity has La Raza participated in?

One last honest question: do you know who David Duke is?

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 1):
Seems like a fair comparison to me.

You sure?
 
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 7:25 pm

Look at the bright side: the good news is that even Limbaugh knows that Duke ain't somebody you should be saying nice things about.

Other than that, the story doesn't surprise me, as R.L. is clearly crazy, and I can't even say that I can think of too many Republicans right now who would have the good judgement to distance themselves from him.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 7:29 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 2):

Honest question: had you ever heard of La Raza before?

Another honest question: what violent criminal activity has La Raza participated in?

One last honest question: do you know who David Duke is?

Yes I have. on both counts.

Here is a little education on "La Raza".

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=32103

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 7:33 pm



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 3):
I can think of too many Republicans right now who would have the good judgement to distance themselves from him.

I agree that lots of Republicans will distance themselves, but why can't they go the final step and say it: "Limbaugh is a loon, and I wholly disagree with him."
 
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 8:02 pm



Quoting Ual777 (Reply 4):

Here is a little education on "La Raza".

Yes, I know about it. They have liberal political views. That's not a crime.

David Duke is a member of the KKK, he has been known to celebrate the Nazi party and Hitler's birthday. He is a convicted felon. He has advocated for the elimination of all non-whites from the U.S.

Are you comparing La Raza to the KKK? I seem to think that La Raza doesn't have nearly the KKK's resume on lynchings...
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 8:05 pm



Quoting Ual777 (Reply 4):
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=32103

Which part of Michele Malkin's piece is true? (Because she never exaggerates, and always sources everything she says, right?)

Also, which part of Michele Malkin's piece suggests that Sotomayor is like David Duke?

Because basically, why you and she are saying is that because Sotomayor is a member of a group that had a tie to another group that was accused of doing something racist, that Sotomayor is a violent racist responsible for the deaths and intimidation of people nationwide.

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 4):
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863

Ahh, an article from Norwood. The same guy that accused La Raza of being racist in the first place, again because they had a tie to another group that was accused of doing something racist.

I mean, it is exactly the same as saying the Republican party is like David Duke because some republicans are connected to some groups that are sympathetic to the klan.

Here's something that I love about you, UAL777.  Smile Even Norwood noted that most people think of La Raza as a Hispanic Rotary club. But never failing, those that wish to cause alarm will not take the mainstream view because the mainstream is inherently biased, or ignorant of the TRUE truth, which of course, only a handful of people are aware of, like Rep. Norwood.

Even still, where is there any proof at all that Sotomayor has engaged in any sort of violent or intimidating activity of the likes of David Duke? I'll answer for you: there isn't any. That's why Rush Limbaugh's comment is repugnant.
 
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 8:20 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Why can't they do it?

You could ask the same question about the Democrats. Sen. Schumer, for example, telling Republicans that they oppose the appointment "at their own peril" and he "couldn't imagine any Republican not voting for her". If any Republican Senator had made those statements, they would now be known as "former Senator". Has anyone held him accountable. VP Biden has shown that one should be rewarded for belittling judicial appointees of the opposite party. Be careful in that glass house.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 8:43 pm



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 8):
Be careful in that glass house.

I'll be sure to remember that next time a democrat likens a republican to a terrorist.  Yeah sure

If you have an actually analogous situation, I'd love to hear it. But the ones you mentioned completely miss the mark.
 
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 8:55 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 9):
If you have an actually analogous situation, I'd love to hear it. But the ones you mentioned completely miss the mark.

So how are these elected officials' remarks less significant that that of a self appointed
spokesperson.

But if you want something more analogous, how about Olberman calling Cheneny "as insane as any terrorist"? Close enough?

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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 11:07 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Silly question. You don't hear us saying "Why can't Democrats police themselves" when we hear ridiculous or offensive statements from Cindy Sheehan, Jack Murtha, or Nancy Pelosi, do you? Why is that? Perhaps it's just because we don't expect you to have much in the way of common decency, I don't know. But I find it interesting that you seem to hold us to a higher standard.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Sun May 31, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Mitch McConnell went so far as to say that it isn't his job to police what other Republicans say.

Why is it his job?

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
We *need* elected Republicans (like John Cornyn) to say

No we do not

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 1):
La Raza which is a racist organization

Whose goals are not the same as the United States

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Limbaugh is a loon, and I wholly disagree with him."

Your opinion

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"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings," Durbin said last week.

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"There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood," Murtha said. (Watch Murtha level accusations against the Marines -- 1:58)

"They actually went into the houses and killed women and children," the congressman said.

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"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation."


Sen. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), 2004



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Senator Joe ("articulate, bright and clean") Biden

So what is worse. A sitting Senator saying this or a sitting Talk show host saying Sotomayor is racist and linking her to a racist group?


I guess Biden, Murtha, Dodd, Byrd and Durbin are all loons.
 
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:57 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

Because basically, why you and she are saying is that because Sotomayor is a member of a group that had a tie to another group that was accused of doing something racist, that Sotomayor is a violent racist responsible for the deaths and intimidation of people nationwide.

I am not saying anything. I was showing the problem that people have with "La Raza".

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

Here's something that I love about you, UAL777. Smile Even Norwood noted that most people think of La Raza as a Hispanic Rotary club. But never failing, those that wish to cause alarm will not take the mainstream view because the mainstream is inherently biased, or ignorant of the TRUE truth, which of course, only a handful of people are aware of, like Rep. Norwood.

Even still, where is there any proof at all that Sotomayor has engaged in any sort of violent or intimidating activity of the likes of David Duke? I'll answer for you: there isn't any. That's why Rush Limbaugh's comment is repugnant.

First off, I loathe Rush Limbaugh and I am not a Republican. Secondly, have you ever met a member of "La Raza"? I have. They are in effect a Latino supremacy group.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):


Yes, I know about it. They have liberal political views. That's not a crime.

They are beyond liberal Doc. They advocate for things such as a new country being formed out of the southwest U.S. for "La Raza", and returning some states (California, Texas, N.M., Arizona) to Mexico.

They are an extremist group. That is my only point.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:15 am



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 10):
But if you want something more analogous, how about Olberman calling Cheneny "as insane as any terrorist"? Close enough?

Quoting Olberman is as bad as quoting Rush, both caricatures of newspeople. They are beyond ridiculous. The old reporters must be horrified at what passes as serious reporting today. Buffoonery seems to ba an apt description.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:23 am



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 14):
Quoting Olberman is as bad as quoting Rush, both caricatures of newspeople.

DLX did ask for someone more analogous to Rush, and Olberman was the closest I could think of. I guess he doesn't want to discuss actual elected democrats, only the screaming heads.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:28 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
but why can't they go the final step and say it: "Limbaugh is a loon, and I wholly disagree with him."

Because Limbaugh spoon-feeds a large sector of the Republican base. Limbaugh keeps the bobble-heads bobbing. I mean, look at all the people who, on his cue, changed their party affiliation before the primary simply to vote for Hillary just to drag out the Democratic primary. Piss off Rush and you piss off your voters. They can't think for themselves. Add to that the fact that hatered and negativaty sells. That last statement is applied to both parties.

In the Democratic party, there are so many shades that just because one commentator (like Olbermann or Maddow or Schultz) makes one comment some people disagree with, that is not going to affect an entire voting block. Republicans do not work that way. The masses have to bow to a few people and not offend those few people. That is the problem I see with the Republican party.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:48 am



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 15):
DLX did ask for someone more analogous to Rush, and Olberman was the closest I could think of. I guess he doesn't want to discuss actual elected democrats, only the screaming heads.

I did not mean to be critical, my point was these are actors posing as newspeople who just twist the news and do their best to incite. Both sides of the aisle are guilty. Everyone has an agenda on these shows. Myself, I cannot watch anymore of it. Watching the regular nightly news and reading the newspaper suits me. Watching Olberman and Maddow is like torture. Rush turns my stomach, Hannity is a joke.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:21 am



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
Watching Olberman and Maddow is like torture. Rush turns my stomach, Hannity is a joke.

The last one on the air I like listening to is Jason Lewis. I think he just recently went national. Other than that I stick to regular news and Twins games.
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RE: Why Won't Republicans Police Themselves

Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:50 am



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 12):

I guess Biden, Murtha, Dodd, Byrd and Durbin are all loons

Actually each one of them you named indeed are, perhaps with the exception of Durbin, who has been straight-forward enough for most of his career that I'll allow a gaffe or two.

None of that excuses the lunacy of Limbaugh though, who like it or not, commands a sizable portion of the GOP base as a means of subsidizing his lifestyle, regardless of his lack of commitment to actually improving the party. His ratings-chasing pot stirring does no one except himself any good.

I don't take issue with any GOP members' lack of response to him - as it certainly isn't their job to be policing a radio host. But if he had any respect for the party or the chances for conservatism as a future majority ideology in America, he'd do the right thing and shut up.

Thankfully there are people like Orrin Hatch and Kay Bailey Hutchison, who are more worried about doing what's required of them in the confirmation process than whether or not her honor Sotomayor (which is the proper title MR. Limbaugh) is a Latina supremacist or whatever.
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