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Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:00 am

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/02/new.jersey.brazil.custody/index.html

"RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (CNN) -- A Brazilian supreme court judge on Tuesday suspended a lower court's order that would have given custody of a 9-year-old boy to the U.S. consulate in Rio de Janeiro, where he was to be reunited with his American father.


David Goldman has been fighting for custody of his son, Sean, since his mother took him to Brazil in 2004.

Judge Marco Aurelio argued against taking Sean Richard Goldman from what has been his home for almost five years to the United States "in an abrupt manner."

I hope father and son can be reunited. The world likes to forget that fathers play a role in making babies! And some women seem to think they have sole ownership over a child!
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:14 am

Perhaps we (the USA government) needs to refuse to return a child who is a citizen of Brazil who belongs there under their laws to extort Brazil to release this child.
 
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:39 pm

Unfortunate, still in Japan is probably worse. If you are a foreign national, and your child is a citizen you basically have no rights.

If your spouse were to die, the Japanese grandparents could abscond with the children and refuse to let you ever have contact.

Looks like Brazil is a party to the Hague treaty on international child abduction, unlike Japan...

http://travel.state.gov/family/abduc...ague_issues/hague_issues_1487.html
 
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:47 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
Perhaps we (the USA government) needs to refuse to return a child who is a citizen of Brazil who belongs there under their laws to extort Brazil to release this child.

You're joking right? Save the eye for an eye for the bible bashers. Mediate this out. Sense will prevail.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 2):
If your spouse were to die, the Japanese grandparents could abscond with the children and refuse to let you ever have contact.

Wow I did not know that. Quite bizarre.

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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:19 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
Wow I did not know that. Quite bizarre.

Well, naturally their courts are going to be biased toward their own citizens. Also, I guess the family court would see the grandparents as more fit to raise, what is in their minds a Japanese child--regardless if the child has spent their entire life abroad or even speaks Japanese.

Another problem is that the police are not empowered to enforce child custody rulings. Even if bother parents were citizens, the mother could refuse visitation rights and there is nothing the father could do.
 
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:23 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
You're joking right? Save the eye for an eye for the bible bashers. Mediate this out. Sense will prevail.

Not in Brazil. My friend who lives there is divorced and his ex-wife, who is a drug addict, got custody of the kid. The mother always gets custody of the child. That's how it works down there. Even if the person is a loser.
 
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:41 am

What I think is sick is the Judge and others that think they should ask the child what he wants. It is too huge a decision and viciously unfair to even consider asking a child such a question as "Who do you want to live with." I can't imagine a judge being so inexpert in his job as to think of doing something like that.

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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:16 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
Perhaps we (the USA government) needs to refuse to return a child who is a citizen of Brazil who belongs there under their laws to extort Brazil to release this child.

You're joking right? Save the eye for an eye for the bible bashers. Mediate this out. Sense will prevail.

I was half-joking. I am quite sure there could be some exhange deal done that could work for both countries. The USA did return Elian Gonzalez to Cuba and his father, despite the political issues involved as it was the right thing by ours and international standards we are parties to. The problem in this case is that the Brazilian wife came from a financaly well off family that could afford top attorneys and perhaps use political connections to keep the kid while a foreigner blood father doesn't have those advantages.
 
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:45 am

I feel so bad for this guy. He got his child stolen from him. She fled the US with his kid and the chances of having custody are not good. Way to go Brazil, you got this one right.  sarcastic 
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RE: Brazilian Judge Holds Order Over American Boy

Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:10 am

This is soooo wrong. The boy MUST be returned to his natural father. The reasons the step-father are given are nothing but excuses to buy time. The longer he stalls the more time goes by and the less contact the boy and his natdad have. Then the Brazilians have the nerve to say its been too long and to give the boy back would be determental to the boy's mental state. Children are not so fragile they can't adjust to a new environment. Brazilian families never move or relocate???Kids adjust much better than people think.

What I don't understand is how the STEP-FATHER can make any claims whatsoever? If the natmom was still alive I could almost understand the conflict.

I think the step-father is really stretching it by accusing the natdad of not "doing" anything for his son's welfare? How can he, when the kid's been ABDUCTED and being kept from him in another country???

These stories really break my heart and I hope and pray the boy is re-united with his natfather. Anything else would be a crime, no matter what the Brazilian Supreme Court rules. Abduction is a crime and Brazil is a signature country of the treaty to stop this type of crime from taking place.

I'm going to stop now I feel a rant about to start.
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