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Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:26 am

Some Darwin news: An Indian train passenger felt it was wise to touch the electrified overhead line while standing on a train.

NSFW-ish...

http://www.break.com/usercontent/200.../electrocuted-on-train-736180.html
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:42 am

I always wondered what would happen...
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:54 am

Seen this a few times, I have to say I'm fairly sure that's probably 1500v DC, Which is what we use here in Melbourne too -- As gruesome as it is, I would be interested to see what would happen on 25,000V AC.

I've actually got this video on my hardrive somewhere and it's kinda gross but you see him smouldering for quite a while after this and a bit before he goes up, You can see all the people around the bottom of the train trying to get him off the train.
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:23 am

Was he trying to kill himself? Creepy watching him slump over after his hand releases the wire, I guess the only consolation for him is that that must have killed him instantly, so it was relatively painless.
 
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:27 am

The comments are very tasteless.
Why and how did those recording this video know that this was going to happen?
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:37 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
The comments are very tasteless.
Why and how did those recording this video know that this was going to happen?

It's kinda inevitable that someone is going to zap themselfs strutting around only inches away from a live overhead... There's many reasons Occ. Health and Safety is so rediculously over the top around Railways and this is one of them.

There's an old safety motto, I don't recall where it's from but it goes "Don't play with trains" -- This would be the testimonial to it.


I am by no means saying this guy deserved this.
In the longer version, You see people trying to get him down, I'm just glad they weren't hurt too.
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:44 am



Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 5):
It's kinda inevitable that someone is going to zap themselfs strutting around only inches away from a live overhead...

We all know that but unfortunately this kid didn't.
I just don't understand how others can joke about it. That's sick!
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:50 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
We all know that but unfortunately this kid didn't.
I just don't understand how others can joke about it. That's sick!

Well, The backstory to this is unclear but it's not unlikely that the guy was Schitzofrenic (sp?) or being a delinquent.

It's unfortunate someone lost a member of their family but at the end of the day, I'm sure there is signage around advising to avoid contact with overhead.

Essentially, He shouldn't have been up there and I don't believe he wouldn't have known this.
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:50 pm

I once witnessed a similar event, but fortunately not quite that close. I was travelling in a local electric train when I saw a flash and we braked hard. When we stopped, directly behind my window was a Russian tank wagon (they are a bit higher than the local ones) and three shady looking juveniles, aged 11-13 sitting on top of it, and one of them was evidently in some trouble. I heard the driver call over the radio to shut off the current and call the rescuers. The fire station happened to be just opposite on the wrong side of the yard so they arrived quick and brought the kid down. I heard one of the kids say he had put down the fire in his mate's trousers and explain they were sitting on top of the wagon when one of them lifted his hand up... The kid was alive, but I suppose the hand was turned into hamburger inside... the buttocks perhaps as well ... it's 25 kV AC here...
 
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:42 pm

I don't think there's much of a backstory to this. Looks to me like he just casually lifted his arm without thinking much of it.
 
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:56 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 9):
I don't think there's much of a backstory to this. Looks to me like he just casually lifted his arm without thinking much of it.

The backstory would be why he was up there in the first place.

But yeah, I know what you mean. If I wasn't paying attention, I probably would have done the same thing - reach up for support.
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:01 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):

We all know that but unfortunately this kid didn't.
I just don't understand how others can joke about it. That's sick!

Well, you don't just climb on top of a train. He clearly wasn't a worker. He was up there when he wasn't supposed to be.

Looks like the death was quick and painless, though. The voltage would have scrambled any brain he had before the pain impulses could get there.
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:02 pm

It's common to ride on top of trains in India... But I believe most routes aren't electrified.

I don't think he knew exactly what the wire was... Which is kinda weird, but possible.
 
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:03 pm



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 10):
The backstory would be why he was up there in the first place.

Seeing people ride on top of the train is not at all uncommon in that part of the world. I don't think anything was wrong with him, except of course becoming a Darwin Award nominee.
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:21 pm

Do you think that the train went on time? What a great video, Darwinism at its finest
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:22 pm

The awful thing is it looks like there is fire coming from his head when he is lay on the train afterwards, with what looks like blood dripping down the train. Dreadful. Feel sorry for this guy. It looks to me he did it subconciously.
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:27 pm



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Thread starter):
An Indian train passenger felt it was wise to touch the electrified overhead line while standing on a train.

We have a winner for this year's Darwin Awards.

Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 2):
Seen this a few times, I have to say I'm fairly sure that's probably 1500v DC, Which is what we use here in Melbourne too -- As gruesome as it is, I would be interested to see what would happen on 25,000V AC.

In Germany, most heavy rail lines use 15,000 V AC from overhead powerlines. 1500 V DC is just about a bit more than what is used in Hamburg for the S-Bahn (which uses 1100 V DC, but through a third rail).
 
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:32 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I just don't understand how others can joke about it. That's sick!

I certainly wouldn't joke about that. Even if I religiously watch a tv show that pokes fun at sick crap half the time (Family Guy), I don't find that stuff to be very amusing...
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:58 pm



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
What a great video,

What's so "great" about seeing someone die?

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 15):
The awful thing is it looks like there is fire coming from his head when he is lay on the train afterwards, with what looks like blood dripping down the train. Dreadful. Feel sorry for this guy. It looks to me he did it subconciously.

If I knew before hand that this resulted in death, I wouldn't have watched this clip. Truly sickening!

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
I certainly wouldn't joke about that. Even if I religiously watch a tv show that pokes fun at sick crap half the time (Family Guy), I don't find that stuff to be very amusing...

Me neither.
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:46 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
What is this world coming to?

Good question...

I do like Family Guy, too, but some of the shows have gotten low brow as of late...

If I were to see something like this unfold right in front of me, I think I'd freak out, and I'd be sad for the person's friends and family. Death is nothing to joke about IMO...

Heh, and it looks like this is becomming a F.G. tangent. Not intended on my part, just making a reference...
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:05 pm



Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 12):
It's common to ride on top of trains in India... But I believe most routes aren't electrified.

I've seen about 5 people on the top of a train in India over the last 15 years. I guess I must not go to the parts where trainsurfing is popular!  Silly

The guy is (obviously) an idiot. First off, he's on top of a moving train. Secondly, he's walking on top of it and moving VERY dangerously even though there isn't another soul on top. I would bet it's a horrible accident or the person is not particularly educated, but I'm sure smarter people have made dumber mistakes.

A lot of routes in India are electrified, and I believe more routes are electrified each year.
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:26 pm

My wife (who is Indian) just saw the clip and she says that all the people were telling him to get down, it's dangerous, etc. Guess maybe he was an Indian Redneck (Famous last words:"Hold my beer and watch this".)
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:43 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
In Germany, most heavy rail lines use 15,000 V AC from overhead powerlines. 1500 V DC is just about a bit more than what is used in Hamburg for the S-Bahn (which uses 1100 V DC, but through a third rail).

Electrified heavy rail lines in the UK use 25kV AC overhead wires or a 750V DC third rail system (which is, with a few exceptions, confined to the south-central and south-east regions of the UK). A teenager was killed by the 750V third rail in Sussex earlier this year after running across the tracks.
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:01 am

Indian lines are 25kV. From what I saw, the guy looked mentally sick,just from his body language before actually touching HT line. I know Indians better  

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Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:25 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
What's so "great" about seeing someone die?

It's just a funny way to go. One less idiot out there.
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:46 am

Unfortunatly too many people in that part of the world are just uneducated enough to not know of the potential dangers of electricity or riding on top of trains. Perhaps the person was just uneducated or had some hearing or mental disabilty that prevented him from realizing what he was doing could kill him.
 
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:57 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 25):
Unfortunatly too many people in that part of the world are just uneducated enough to not know of the potential dangers of electricity or riding on top of trains. Perhaps the person was just uneducated or had some hearing or mental disabilty that prevented him from realizing what he was doing could kill him.

Exactly!

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 24):
It's just a funny way to go. One less idiot out there.

Dude, there is nothing "funny" about that video!  Yeah sure
As others have mentioned, riding on top of trains in India is rather common and electric trains are new. He was a young teenager and didn't know the hazards of touching that wire.
Nothing funny at all.
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:16 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):

Dude, there is nothing "funny" about that video!

Agreed, if seeing this makes you laugh at all, I think that means there must be some wire loose in the compassion region of your brain. Regardless of circumstances that may point towards the person making a foolish choice, it's never fun or humorous to watch someone die, and it makes me shudder to think that people could laugh at such a thing.
 
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:41 am



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 22):
Electrified heavy rail lines in the UK use 25kV AC overhead wires or a 750V DC third rail system (which is, with a few exceptions, confined to the south-central and south-east regions of the UK).

Are those third rails open to the side? In Hamburg's S-Bahn, the third rail is side contact, which means the contact shoe touches the rail from the side. That to me is more dangerous that the bottom contact third rails used in the U-Bahn (the tube). BTW: Hamburg's U-Bahn uses 750 V DC power.
 
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:33 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28):
Are those third rails open to the side? In Hamburg's S-Bahn, the third rail is side contact, which means the contact shoe touches the rail from the side. That to me is more dangerous that the bottom contact third rails used in the U-Bahn (the tube). BTW: Hamburg's U-Bahn uses 750 V DC power.

I think it is side-contact. The fastest third-rail trains in the UK reach a maximum of 108mph; the reason why these southern lines are 750V DC third rail when this is unusual elsewhere is due to the fact that these lines started to be electrified before nationalisation, by the Southern Railway. However, long-distance express services in the UK use either the 25,000V AC overhead catenary or are operated by diesel trains; the Great Western Main Line and Midland Main Line, as well as services to Aberdeen and Inverness, are yet to be electrified and thus the operators over those sections use diesel HST units or newer DMUs.

Interestingly, the London Underground uses a four-rail system - two running rails, then two electrical rails one for current pickup, the other for return.
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:03 pm



Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 5):
There's an old safety motto, I don't recall where it's from but it goes "Don't play with trains"

That's from the a series of television adverts highlighting the dangers of level crossings, its shown on TV in Australia and are also found on Youtube. Network Rail in the UK have now really hightened their TV & Radio campaign about level crossings now.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 22):
A teenager was killed by the 750V third rail in Sussex earlier this year after running across the tracks.

There has been many instances of this over the last year alone (while I've been living in Sussex), the most notable one I found was when a drunk Polish teacher decided to urinate on the 3rd rail, I think the irony was that he was a science teacher and clearly should have known better.

I'm just glad to be back in the North West where we don't have any 3rd rail systems (except Merseyrail) and far fewer suicides by train. Though we have got overhead powerlines we don't tend to get many incidents involving them.

One thing I will say about the railways in the South East, I like them, trains are all new and fast, in comparison to a fair amount of our rolling stock... But that's for a different thread.

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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:08 pm

I had seen that video earlier this week. Whatever the reasons weher for that guy to get up on that train, he was either committing suicide or really did not know what would happen when he tocuhes the wire.

Looks to me that he was quite relaxed and casually gripped the wire to assist in balancing on the car roof. He will never know what hit him. What wondered me that there was no electric arc once he got up.

As to the discussions on third rails - there have been idiots who peed and aimed the third rails, with thew same effect to their health.
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:31 pm



Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 23):
Indian lines are 25kV

I just assumed that being that India electrified quite a while ago, They'd be using 1500VDC

In regards to 1500vdc vs 25kvac, Each has its advantage and disadvantage... If starting a new network in this day and age, You'd want 25kvac. Cheaper over longer distances.
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:42 pm



Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 32):
I just assumed that being that India electrified quite a while ago, They'd be using 1500VDC

Only a stretch in Bombay has the 1.5kV DC. They are in the process of changing that too to 25kV ac.
 
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RE: Man Touches Electrified Catenary...

Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:17 pm

What an idiot.....

Well at least he won't do that ever again.
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Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:51 am



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 31):
What wondered me that there was no electric arc once he got up.

Air isn't a good conductor. You need to be quite close for the electricity to arc across. And unless he was bare footed and standing on a metal roof, there's be nowhere for the electricity to go unless he was pretty well touching the wire and the voltage potential was enough to get through to the train roof.

And 1500V isn't a lot of volts to arc a long way. You can generate several kV in static electricity wearing certain clothes and the spark when you take those off are only a few mm long if that.
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Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:21 pm



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 31):
As to the discussions on third rails - there have been idiots who peed and aimed the third rails, with the same effect to their health.

Possibly an urban legend. The, ahem, stream is not a continuous flow of liquid, but actually a series of distinct droplets, and therefore not capable of conducting an electric current.
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Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:32 pm



Quoting PROSA (Reply 36):

Possibly an urban legend. The, ahem, stream is not a continuous flow of liquid, but actually a series of distinct droplets, and therefore not capable of conducting an electric current.

Of course urine will will conductive, no matter what the shape of the liquid is. There's a bunch of videos downloadable that depict male persons urinating on electric fences and fence energizers.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:16 am



Quoting PROSA (Reply 36):
Possibly an urban legend. The, ahem, stream is not a continuous flow of liquid, but actually a series of distinct droplets, and therefore not capable of conducting an electric current.

Yeah I saw that on Mythbusters. Myth Busted !!. The flow is not a constant stream so cannot conduct the current, however I wouldn't like to try myself - just incase !!.

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Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:58 pm



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 38):

Yeah I saw that on Mythbusters. Myth Busted !!. The flow is not a constant stream so cannot conduct the current, however I wouldn't like to try myself - just incase !!.

I don't know what kind of physics that mythbusting might have been based on, so see this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU1UKn7iXv8
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:01 pm



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 38):
The flow is not a constant stream so cannot conduct the current, however I wouldn't like to try myself - just incase !!.

It can still conduct even if it is not a continuous stream, depending on the voltage.

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