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Sat May 30, 2009 5:37 pm

Don't know if this is the appropriate forum for this (moderators, feel free to move it wherever you feel it should be).

Lately, I've seen where the USAF is getting new uniforms.....dress, utility, etc. but can't seem to find any photos of what they look like. Does anyone have any pics of these?
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Sun May 31, 2009 7:22 pm

As for the USAF dress uniform, it was only a change to the coat. The new coat is commonly referred to as the "heritage coat." The coat was in "wear test" phase but was recently shelved to work on other uniform concerns (namely the Airman Battle Uniform).



The Airman Battle Uniform was rolled out some time ago, with new recruits receiving them beginning in October 2007 (I think).
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Sun May 31, 2009 8:53 pm

I had understood that the ABU was changing colors. Also, I HAVE seen pictures of the dress uniform with the high collar. The one you posted looks like an older RAF uniform. My brother used to call me a "bus driver" when I wore my older, dress uniform.
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Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
I had understood that the ABU was changing colors.

I haven't heard that. I do know that when they were first rolled out, there were quality issues with the first batches. One would go to an MCSS and have to pick through the limited stock to find shirt and pants that were the same shade. That issue was fixed though.

The only change that I'm aware of is that a new lighter weight shirt is being tested now. The current version has received complaints that it is too heavy for summer use.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
I HAVE seen pictures of the dress uniform with the high collar.

This one?
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Sun May 31, 2009 11:56 pm

Yeah, that's the one...........somehow it looks too SS, to me.
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 3):
This one?

Maybe they are wearing it wrong, but the belt pratically covering that button looks ridiculous. Maybe its just the Marine in me.
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Quoting Mayor (Reply 4):
somehow it looks too SS, to me.

It wasn't very popular from what I remember reading and I don't even think it made it to wear test.

I didn't get the SS vibe, though I did get another one (as did others) when I first saw it:
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Well, maybe it was the severity of the look that I meant when I said SS. As for the ABU, I thought sure I had seen a pic of it where it was in shades of blue and grey in a camo pattern.


BTW, whatever happened to the uniform that was between the dress blues and the fatigues?....when I went in it was 1505's (khakis) and then it was changed to a oxford cloth shirt and the same pants as the dress blues. There was also the variation of the long sleeve, dark blue, wool shirt, with tie, worn with the dark blue pants.
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Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Well, maybe it was the severity of the look that I meant when I said SS. As for the ABU, I thought sure I had seen a pic of it where it was in shades of blue and grey in a camo pattern.

Your memory is correct...there was a much "Bluer" tiger stripe pattern tested as the new USAF BDU, but it failed...color was just too obnoxious, so the new digital pattern was adopted that was pictured above.

Personally, I think it's silly that all services now have different digital pattern BDUs when one pattern worked just fine for all for decades...The Services cannot sustain the argument that the environment (Iraq, Afghanistan) are different for soldiers, marines and airmen so they need different uniforms.
 
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Still nothing better looking than a well pressed set of fatigues.
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
As for the USAF dress uniform, it was only a change to the coat. The new coat is commonly referred to as the "heritage coat." The coat was in "wear test" phase but was recently shelved to work on other uniform concerns (namely the Airman Battle Uniform).

AKA the Hap Arnold uniform blazer

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 5):
Maybe they are wearing it wrong, but the belt pratically covering that button looks ridiculous. Maybe its just the Marine in me.

Actually, this option is known as the Billy Mitchell style uniform

Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Well, maybe it was the severity of the look that I meant when I said SS. As for the ABU, I thought sure I had seen a pic of it where it was in shades of blue and grey in a camo pattern.

It was one of the proposals, but they went for the light shade of green instead


What the USAF is working on, is a summer option for the ABU, like the summer material the BDU has since the current ABU only come with the thinker, winter fabric
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Wow that is UGLY! Just one argument in favor of having gays in the miltiary at least you'd get some decent uniforms.  biggrin 
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If these are the choices for a dress uniform, I say they go back to the original blues.
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Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:29 pm

The BDU's are cool. But the new dress coat? Ick. That thing looks awful
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:30 am



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 11):
Wow that is UGLY! Just one argument in favor of having gays in the miltiary at least you'd get some decent uniforms. biggrin

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Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 10):
since the current ABU only come with the thinker, winter fabric

Which was supposed to be "all season."  embarrassed 

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
That thing looks awful

Not to mention that the placement of the belt has to be custom fitted to each person. But if you want to see a truely awful uniform coat, take a gander at this:

This, thankfully, only lasted a year before General Fogleman (who succeded McPeak as USAF Chief of Staff) ordered the return to the previous version.
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:33 am



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 14):
But if you want to see a truely awful uniform coat, take a gander at this:

I don't get what is so bad about this. Nothing special but sure a lot better than that leisure suit looking monstrosity posted earlier in the thread.
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Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 15):
I don't get what is so bad about this.

Well, asthetically, it really isn't bad. However, it bears a really strong resemblance to the uniform of a Naval Officer (Naval uniforms, IMO, are quite sharp looking). The Air Force has no naval heritage, so a lot of people were  Confused . On top of that, AF Officers didn't like looking like airline pilots.

General McPeak's intention (IIRC) was for a more streamlined, simple look (fewer ribbons, no epaulets). When you compare his uniform coat to this:



he succeeded, but the naval-esque sleeve braid was a major source of resentment. As a result, only a handful of Officers adopted the uniform before it was "no longer authorized."

Interestingly, the current coat (pictured below), incorporates a simple, streamlined look by taking design cues from a business suit (the big, decorative pockets are gone):




However, this coat was due to be replaced by the Hap Arnold coat (the one with the belt) after calls to have a coat with a more military look to it.



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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 6):

Forgive me for saying this about the United States Air Force, and please don't nuke Calgary for me saying this...but that guy on the right, in the "new" Air Force uniform?

He kinda looks like Heinrich Himmler.

Very scary, I like the current uniforms better.

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Quoting Curt22 (Reply 8):

Personally, I think it's silly that all services now have different digital pattern BDUs when one pattern worked just fine for all for decades...The Services cannot sustain the argument that the environment (Iraq, Afghanistan) are different for soldiers, marines and airmen so they need different uniforms.

The new "digi" camis that the Marines wear are FAR superior to the old BDUs in terms of breaking up the outline of the Marine wearing it.
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Quoting Ual777 (Reply 18):

The new "digi" camis that the Marines wear are FAR superior to the old BDUs in terms of breaking up the outline of the Marine wearing it.

You missed the point. He was saying why does every branch need their own pattern when they used to all share the same pattern in the past. Why isn't on updated pattern enough.
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Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 19):
He was saying why does every branch need their own pattern when they used to all share the same pattern in the past.

How the Armed Forces came to use the same pattern in the past is beyond me. My assumption is that the desire for a uniform more fitting to the current battle environment (urban/desert) and the desire for Generals to leave their own mark on their respective services lead to what we have now.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:15 pm

Not to shamelessly try to bring this back to the top, but I just found this pic I've been looking for. It's me, in my AF blues, posing with my Dad. I think it was taken in the fall of '67, no matter the date on the pic. I was at Shemya in July of '68.



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Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:28 am

All the service men and women from all branches that I have seen stationed at Atterbury wear what appear to be the same BDU patterns. And as far as the dress uniform for the USAF officers and NCOs, I prefer the darker blue blazer than the power blue ones (but I am not the CMS or the O-10 so my vote does not count).
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):

Looking at the Cmsgt, wearing the BDUs in the photo, they just seem to get younger and younger, every day....time was, those guys were pretty well grizzled vets.

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Quoting Mayor (Reply 23):
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I've noticed that too. At Kirtland, the Vice Commander looks very young as well and he is a full bird.
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