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2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:10 am

Couldn't see that this had been started yet so thought I'd kick it off.

Definitely time for a different winner other than Button (and Vettel for that matter - he's young so he's got heaps of time to win more) so hopefully one of the others will find some extra pace or the Brawns will strike trouble and we'll finally have some variety this year.
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:46 am

Strangely, I don't see anyone else winning than Button. It's his home GP and I'm sure he will want to do his utmost to win it.

I read on the Spanish press that Renault have big expectations on the British GP. They believe that the track will suit well the R29. Hopefully it will.

Bourdais finished second of the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which was a huge disappointment for him (and his teammates Sarrazin and Montagny). On Sunday around 5 AM, Peugeot asked him to stay second while he was catching up the #9 sister car like a bullet. A victory at Le Mans would have probably boosted his confidence for this week-end's GP, but now, I'm afraid he will come heart-broken.
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:44 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 1):
Strangely, I don't see anyone else winning than Button.

Agreed.  yes 

I'm not even sure he's been pushed hard so far this season. Without a mechanical breakdown (or some British "summer" weather), I honestly can't see anyone getting close. He's going to be determined to pay back his fans at his home GP.  checkeredflag 
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Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:29 pm

Button should get a podium if not the win. I do believe if he wins, it will be his proudest achievement in Formula one to date, winning his home grand prix. Wouldn't rule out Hamilton competing this weekend...
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Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:37 pm

I can't believe I'm saying this, but this should be a piece of cake for Button. I'd wish that Vettel would try to get his second victory, but there are too many strategic flaws on the side of his team, plus the recent errors that he's made cost him dearly as well.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:48 pm

Honestly I have lost all interest in F1 as of lately and I would not bother watching this GP, I will probably go to the beach or something and enjoy summer...

I suppose it will be business as usual, you know Button, Barrichello, Vettel, etc.

Nothing new.

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Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:27 am

If this was the "old" Silverstone circuit (pre major modifications) I'd say we were in for a different winner. However as its now a "Mickey Mouse" Silverstone circuit I would reluctantly agree that the trend established thus far this season will continue with maybe the outside chance that Ferrari can pull something out of the hat and be competitive. Of course being Australian one would like the King of Fifth to have a chance but that would be putting the mockers on him so I won't say anything (more).
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:36 am



Quoting Tsv (Reply 6):
Of course being Australian one would like the King of Fifth to have a chance but that would be putting the mockers on him so I won't say anything (more).

Be VERY careful, he is well overdue for his DNF. But you never know, second the last time was it?
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:55 am

I want Lewis Hamilton to win the British GP.
He will be on his home ground too.

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Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:04 am

Meh, its going be be another Button show. If he doesn't win then probably Vettel or even Webber (who might actually win a race for once).

McLaren aren't expecting much ...

McLaren is bracing itself for a tough time at Silverstone this weekend, with the high-speed swoops of the Northamptonshire track expected to expose the downforce deficiencies of the MP4-24.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76251

I'm not expecting much from Ferrari also and I won't be watching the race anyway as I have an exam on Tuesday  Sad
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:56 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 7):
Be VERY careful, he is well overdue for his DNF. But you never know, second the last time was it?

If you would have used two "VERY"'s in that sentence an Elmer Fud voice over (as done by Robin Williams of course) would have sounded very funny.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 9):
or even Webber (who might actually win a race for once).

Shhhhh! Quiet!



Too much talk of Webber will have people working out how long it's been since the last Grand Prix win by an Australian. (Yes I know Jones at Caesars Palace in 1981.)



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Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:32 am

Me thinks this is a sure win for Button. Would be good to see an upset, maybe some one can turn on the British weather and spring a surprise.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:53 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 7):
Be VERY careful, he is well overdue for his DNF

Red Bull seems to have sorted thier reliability issues but still the only way Webber could win is if Brawn decides not to turn up for the weekend and vettel falls asleep for a lep, i dont believe webber has it in him to get a race win before his career ends
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:23 pm

as long as anything doesn't happen to his car...Button will have this victory.

He's still boring though :-P


There just isn't an F1 thread without this comment  Smile

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Go Hammy World Champion MBE!

 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:51 pm



Quoting Tsv (Reply 10):
If you would have used two "VERY"'s in that sentence an Elmer Fud voice over (as done by Robin Williams of course) would have sounded very funny.

My wascally wabbits seem to have been laid low by the swine flu or something, so my Elmer Fudd voice needs a bit of exercise!!

Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 12):
webber has it in him to get a race win before his career ends

He probably does and would have done by now barring a few breakdowns, I think!!!

I will bet Button wishes it was going to be as easy as some are assuming. Nothing is easy in F1.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:45 pm

I say "a walk in the park" for Brawn/Button.

Hm, these threads have lost it a bit as many are losing interest in the sport, and is not participating in these threads anymore.
I even miss the days when the discussions were running hot here about the drivers/teams.

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Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:51 am

Definately needs either it's own thread...or in the General Issues.

The FOTA teams say they are breaking away for 2010!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108488.stm


That's a huge middle finger to Mosley.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:42 am

Its about time if you ask me. F1 has been turning into global nascar.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:18 am



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 16):
The FOTA teams say they are breaking away for 2010!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...8.stm

And the big question: What will be the name of this new F1 series? GP1 perhaps?

Oh well, next year it's Williams, Force India, Campos, USF1 and Manor racing for a then worthless F1 title, while RBR, Toro Rosso, Ferrari, Brawn GP, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber and McLaren decide on a name for this series.  Wink

Seriously though, while I'm not sure if FOTA's plan for their independent F1 series will be viable, I did expect that eventually FOTA would not back down and decide on a new series, ending 59 years of Formula 1 (which since the late 1990's has become boring and overregulated).
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:12 am

The FOTA teams have one big problem with a break away series there wont be many circuits they can race at probably Silverstone Magney Cors and Montreal as these aren't contracted to FOM anymore

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Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:42 am



Quoting Sudden (Reply 15):
Hm, these threads have lost it a bit as many are losing interest in the sport, and is not participating in these threads anymore.
I even miss the days when the discussions were running hot here about the drivers/teams.

Yes I have noticed that, maybe we got fed up of all the scandals or just decided to have a life Big grin

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Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:54 am



Quoting T1210s (Reply 19):
The FOTA teams have one big problem with a break away series there wont be many circuits they can race at probably Silverstone Magney Cors and Montreal as these aren't contracted to FOM anymore

There are many tracks that could hold a world class motor race that are not contracted to FOM.
Look at some of the great circuits in the US for example and there are many in Europe that could be available.

Back to this weekend as there is another thread to discuss the politics...
Upgrade for the Red Bulls, wonder if it moves them closer to the Brawns or not, obviously that is the intent but it will be interesting to watch and McLaren experimenting with no KERS.

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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:12 am



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 13):
There just isn't an F1 thread without this comment

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Go Hammy World Champion MBE!

I doubt he will make the title this year as McLaren have supplied him with the wrong car, yet I always like to encourage him. I am sure he would still be ahead if he had the right car.  airplane   angel   airplane 
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:08 am



Quoting Sudden (Reply 15):
Hm, these threads have lost it a bit as many are losing interest in the sport, and is not participating in these threads anymore.

I'm on holidays, so I'm not in front of the computer that much  Wink

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 16):
The FOTA teams say they are breaking away for 2010!!!

Another threat? Or a serious plan?

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 21):
Look at some of the great circuits in the US for example and there are many in Europe that could be available.

Indeed. Road America, Road Atlanta, Mosport, Brands Hatch, Zolder, Dijon, all these tracks are really nice and spectacular.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:56 pm

The good thing for me is that if they actually stage this series as they say they intend to, they'll IMO run on the Montreal circuit again, which would allow me to attend an F1.... errr, GP race again next year after this year's cancellation. As for this weekend's race, looks like Red Bull have the legs so far in practice, to go along with their new and IMO very ugly nose on the car. Same idea as the Renault, very wide duckbill sort of nose with a clear wing shape on the end of it, big change from the narrow snout they were sporting so far this season, but if it works and it allows us to have a more exciting championship, then it's the most beautiful thing on the grid  Smile
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:39 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
And the big question: What will be the name of this new F1 series? GP1 perhaps?

Well the Bikes have MotoGP, and there is A1GP, so along those lines what about AutoGP?

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 24):
As for this weekend's race, looks like Red Bull have the legs so far in practice, to go along with their new and IMO very ugly nose on the car. Same idea as the Renault, very wide duckbill sort of nose with a clear wing shape on the end of it, big change from the narrow snout they were sporting so far this season, but if it works and it allows us to have a more exciting championship, then it's the most beautiful thing on the grid

Yes must admit the "original" nose looked the part but if this one is faster then it's obviously not a case of "if it looks right it must be right".

I read somewhere else (think it was the King of Fifth's Website) that someone reckons the new nose with the "clear wing shape on the end of it" houses another camera in addition to the one mounted above the airbox.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:13 pm

Actually just on the topic of noses have a look a last year's McLaren nose and this year's McLaren nose. This year's nose looks decidedly "on the nose". If Red Bull have gone this way and it's an improvement maybe McLaren should look at that too as it may be a contributor to this year's McLaren's diabolical handling?
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:33 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 23):
I'm on holidays, so I'm not in front of the computer that much

I actually start to think that you DO have a life!

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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:52 pm

If someone can come up with a link so I can watch the GP qualifyings and race on the www I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks a lot in advance.  Smile
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:59 pm



Quoting T1210s (Reply 19):
Silverstone Magney Cors and Montreal



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 23):
Road America, Road Atlanta, Mosport, Brands Hatch, Zolder, Dijon

There's also Jerez, Imola, Buenos Aries, Indianapolis, Estoril, EuroSpeedway Lausitz, Rockingham, Laguna Seca, the new track in the Algarve at Portimao. Plenty of tracks to allow a new series to use, and may even tempt some of the current F1 tracks to defect - Monaco most likely.

While I am disappointed that F1 is heading into a similar situation as seen in the US when the IRL was formed by splitting from CART, I am glad that they're standing firm against Max Mosley and basically leaves him with little ground to stand on as no doubt Bernie Ecclestone will be wanting to stick his oar in so he can save his precious TV rights and commercial agreements.

F1 is now at a crossroads during a very strong storm.
 
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:31 pm



Quoting T1210s (Reply 19):

The FOTA teams have one big problem with a break away series there wont be many circuits they can race at probably Silverstone Magney Cors and Montreal as these aren't contracted to FOM anymore

Well, Hockenheim could lose its place as F1 track, so that's an option.  Wink

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 29):
There's also Jerez, Imola, Buenos Aries, Indianapolis, Estoril, EuroSpeedway Lausitz, Rockingham, Laguna Seca, the new track in the Algarve at Portimao. Plenty of tracks to allow a new series to use, and may even tempt some of the current F1 tracks to defect - Monaco most likely.

I once saw on an Argentinian sports channel that Bernie is interessted in getting Buenos Aires back into the F1 schedule in 2011 or so, so I'd make a big question mark next to Buenos Aires.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:01 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
If someone can come up with a link so I can watch the GP qualifyings and race on the www I would greatly appreciate it.

There are some links in the British Grand Prix Qualifying Discussion on the Forum on the King of Fifth's website. Don't know if they work though as haven't tried them but those who are using them are relaying the information to the Forum via Postings.
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:42 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):

justin.tv

or rojadirecta.com


From what I've seen the Red Bulls look fast this weekend. Could we see a second win of the season for Vettel? Maybe Webber will get up for a maiden win.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:38 pm

Where are all the forum tifosi?
Sutil crashed..  Wow! Looked like the car was in pretty bad shape.
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:07 pm

It's just started on OneHD in Australia. Weather looks typically British!
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:24 pm

I am so terribly disappointed... with the Ferraris way in the back not talking about the McLarens.
I don't know what's the matter with Hammy and if the problem resides with the car or the Pussycat Doll. I suspect it is most probably both.  Wow!  Confused  alert   Sad
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:30 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Sutil crashed.. Looked like the car was in pretty bad shape.

Looked really bad but he's out and walking around thank goodness.
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:22 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Where are all the forum tifosi?

Tired having the two-month oldkeeping me up all night  Smile

I missed the quali but just saw the result ... at this point I am more surprised that Button is 6th rather than seeing the F's and Mcl's so back. However, I didn't expect to see LH 19th! What happened there?
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:26 pm



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 3):
Wouldn't rule out Hamilton competing this weekend...

Doubtful. McLaren appear to be too slow.

Redbull look untouchable this weekend - both cars are fast. Terrible Raikkonen blocking Webber on a fast qualifying lap.  Sad
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:28 pm

What's with Hamilton? 19th???

I'm glad that Vettel is on pole, however. I hope he wins tomorrow, the Button show is getting a little monotonous.

I don't want Webber to win, though. The Aussie media would go absolutely crazy over him, ignoring the fact that there are 19 other drivers in F1. When Casey Stoner won the MotoGP title, he was on the front page of most newspapers, and he was the lead story on the news. I'd never hear the end of Webber winning "a race".
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:39 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 37):
However, I didn't expect to see LH 19th! What happened there?

In his defence, whilst his early Q1 was not exacly stellar he appeared to be on a reasonable lap when Sutil crashed and red flag left only 24sec left in session.
Still with HK out in Q2 not a BGP qual that McLaren will remember fondly.
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:42 pm



Quoting Cpd (Reply 38):
Terrible Raikkonen blocking Webber on a fast qualifying lap.

He let him have it at the post Qualifying top 3 interviews too - something about what was he doing drinking Vodka or something!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 39):
The Aussie media would go absolutely crazy over him

Actually I don't know if they would go that over the top BUT it has been a long time since October 17, 1981 and the last Australian to win a Grand Prix.

Webber searching for his first win however does bring back memories of Jones searching for his second win and the first win for Williams back at Silverstone in 1979 only for him to drop out and Regga get the first win for Williams. However then of course Jones got 3 in a row (and 4 out of 5). Oh for history to repeat like that!
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:26 pm

Looks like another boring race coming up. However Vettel is the heaviest in the Top 10. So it will be up to the others to make a good start to beat him. So probably Rubens will try to do this before corner 1 to get some advantage before the first round of pit stops. Probably Webber might block him a little so tat Vettel goes off. We might see a mid-race change of strategy for the Brawns. Although I'm a bit surprised Button isn't a bit higher, or maybe Brawn is playing it safe for him and letting Rubens play around a bit.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/6/9532.html
Seems strange that Kubica is 24 kg heavier than Heidfeld, and third heaviest from all. Anyway, maybe the new front wing isn't such an improvement as expected. Red Bulll's new nose is doing the job well, Ferrari's doing average.

As for Lewis, well I think the car is still bad, because he has the skills. I predict we won't have all 20 cars finish the race.

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Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:36 pm

CS, thanks for posting the weights.... always interesting. I personally think we will see a far better race compare to the last one......

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 42):
As for Lewis, well I think the car is still bad, because he has the skills.

Do not question his driving abilities but perhaps he has very little skills on how to improve/develope a car........SF & BMW seem to make progress... I know for some people the progress is to slow Big grin never less I have no problem to see RB,RB,TY, WL and to some degree RL up front of the usual SF & ML.....

Quoting Tsv (Reply 41):
Webber searching for his first win however does bring back memories of Jones searching for his second win and the first win for Williams back at Silverstone in 1979 only for him to drop out and Regga get the first win for Williams. However then of course Jones got 3 in a row (and 4 out of 5). Oh for history to repeat like that!

You are right MW is over due...... now you are talking about to good old racing days.

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Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:39 am



Quoting Swissy (Reply 43):
You are right MW is over due......

Yes he has now competed in more GPs than Jones and has yet to win whereas Jones won 13 didn't he? It's hard to compare careers what with the huge difference in chassis, engines, and teams over the years but I don't think Webber is in the same class as Jones although Jones himself thought he might be coming along nicely when Webber went to Williams but we all know what happened over those two years.

Quoting Swissy (Reply 43):
now you are talking about to good old racing days.

Don't get me started or I'll never stop. I've just watched most of the 70's races on DVD after shouting myself the Duke Entertainment (?) box set of the whole decade! Talk about memories! Favourite of all? Ronnie in the Lotus 72. Man could he drive.
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Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:26 am



Quoting Tsv (Reply 44):
Jones himself thought he might be coming along nicely when Webber went to Williams but we all know what happened over those two years.

Had Williams not fallen out with BMW things could have been very different.
 
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:18 am

Yep that's what I mean it all fell apart.

Anyone know if the One HD coverage is live or delayed? Qualifying seemed delayed given it took about an hour for Sutil's crash to be shown after it was posted here.
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Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:23 am



Quoting Tsv (Reply 46):

Anyone know if the One HD coverage is live or delayed

Live I would hope. I don't know what reality crap they could put on to delay it. But it is ch 10 after all. Shame we don't get it here at all in Canberra.
 
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:45 am

TSV,
Not sure where in QLD you are but the BGP Pre race show is scheduled for 21:00 in Brisbane and the race itself at 21:50 which would make it live.

A bit disapointing that qualifying was delayed a little (approx 1 hour) but the fact we get to see it at all is a big step forward.

Cheers

[Edited 2009-06-21 02:48:58]
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RE: 2009 F1 : British Grand Prix

Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:14 am



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 47):
Shame we don't get it here at all in Canberra.

What a Bummer. I know people up north were pissed OneHD hadn't kicked off and the IPL 20/20 was only on it so they missed out big time.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 48):
TSV,
Not sure where in QLD you are but the BGP Pre race show is scheduled for 21:00 in Brisbane and the race itself at 21:50 which would make it live.

In Brisvegas. Left Brownsville (Greensville now and am I the biggest loser as where I used to live backs right on to where the V8 SuperCar track is so I could be watching it from our back verandah if we hadn't moved!) years ago. But yes I do get to see it on OneHD and yes it is live as I checked the clock on BBC Sport.





I hope this one is going to be real race and not just a procession.
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