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ABC Sinks To New Lows

Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:01 pm

I always thought that ABC, of the 3 broadcast networks, has traditionally been the fairest of the bunch. I watched ABC News religiously in the days of Frank Reynolds, whom I mourned greatly at his death - it was like a certain father figure from my youth had passed away. Reynolds was so well respected that Ronald and Nancy Reagan attended his funeral at Arlington (he had been a decorated NCO in WWII). Peter Jennings who stepped over from the London desk to take over Frank's chair and did a fair job as well.

What I admired with them is that you had in impossible time trying to figure out if they were Republican or Democrat. Reynolds was absolutely equitable - I still have no idea who he might have voted for. Jennings was a bit more transparent, but still very good at trying to stay balanced.

Forget all that now. ABC is starting next week a huge PR campaign in support of Obama's health care reform, including hosting ABC News from the White House and a deluge of special programming in prime time, Good Morning America, Nightline, and so on. The promotion will last 9 days.

So far, no serious problems - it is news after all. But here's the rub:

ABC has decided to exclude any opposing viewpoints from the discussion!

I find that unbelievable. I hope ABC's news division gets boycotted for this and the entire lot gets sacked (at least all those that approved this move). If Obama and the Democrats are to have such a blatant infomercial, they should have to pay for the airtime.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot.htm

Frank Reynolds must be spinning in his grave at 6,000 RPM.

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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:11 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Frank Reynolds must be spinning in his grave at 6,000 RPM.

I find the whole drudge report and RNC whining petty.
1. The request that was specifically denied was on June,24. Not the other 9 days.
2. The RNC is ASSUMING and BLATENTLY casting away ABC news anchors ability to formulate questions.

Quite frankly Frank Reynolds would be rolling in his grave if any organization attempted to impose themselves in on an event like this and attempted to undermine the Journalist credibility and ability to discern for themselves what questions they should ask.

The President is the Chief Executive. He is introducing a broad plan to the people, and quite honestly I would happy to hear what the plan is prior to the Republican party trying to oppose it.

Please note it is the republican party making the request, not a bunch of qualified Financial, Educational , and Health Professionals.
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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:18 pm

This was so well said before, let's use it again!

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Drudge is not one of these"
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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:26 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
ABC has decided to exclude any opposing viewpoints from the discussion!

Don't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:57 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
Don't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).

Take care of that cold, PC12Fan, it sounds pretty bad.   

By the way, Charles, where was your moning when FOX made such a huge deal out of the Tea Parties? Ah, slipped your mind, did it? I thought so......

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Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:49 am

Ahhh who cares anymore. Regardless who is in office, the country is going to hell in a hand basket and all I'll say is enjoy the ride with me.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:13 am



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 5):
Ahhh who cares anymore. Regardless who is in office, the country is going to hell in a hand basket and all I'll say is enjoy the ride with me.

Somehow, I think if God were elected president you would still be right.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:31 am



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 6):
Somehow, I think if God were elected president you would still be right.

Oh, I thought he was.  Yeah sure  duck 



In response to the thread title, "ABC News Sinks to New Lows" I thought the answer was going to be that they hired Keith Obermann or Chris Matthews.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:32 am



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
"Dude, if you are going to tell these stories please reference legitmate web-sites.

Dude did you just pull a Carlos Mencia on my line?

Honestly I have some legitimate ethical problems with what is going on.

Is this a reward for ABC for "Towing the line" as it where.

Is the president granting them favored status which will reflect happily on their bottom line and ratings?

Traditionallly if the president had a speach all three networks covered it. That isn't happening here.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:53 am



Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Oh, I thought he was.     

As though that line were not already shredded to death.

The president has a great deal of hope from a great deal of people invested in him. That's not a bad thing, nor is it grounds for a cult of personality nor hero worship. By all accounts, he is an intelligent and thoughtful man. Why is it so hard to think that, just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:02 am



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?

Why not???

1. he is a democrat
2. he has a left wing voting record
3. he is a politician, which by definition means he lies.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:11 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Why not???

1. he is a democrat
2. he has a left wing voting record
3. he is a politician, which by definition means he lies.

Well, given (3), above, a republican, the antithesis of (1), above, would be similarly poor, right?
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:25 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
By the way, Charles, where was your moning when FOX made such a huge deal out of the Tea Parties? Ah, slipped your mind, did it? I thought so......

How is the Shep Smith thread going? Your missed over there like Nikv69.  footinmouth 
 
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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:17 am

Let's not blame ABC, if there's blame to go around, let's blame Obama instead. For the first time in eight years we have a president who understands the power of mass media and is willing to use that power to his own advantage. He wants to take his message directly to the public. The best way to do that is to go on television and pitch his case. There's no better time to do that than during prime time, when most of the Americans who will be affected by this will be tuned in. They'll turn around and put pressure on their congressmen and senators to vote with the president.

Obama is also playing fair. He granted NBC unprecedented access for their two night special, so if ABC makes a similar request, how's it going to look if he gives NBC an exclusive but doesn't grant ABC an equal but different exclusive? Like he's playing favorites with NBC?

As for the GOP and their cries of unfairness, it's just sour grapes IMO. As much as Obama has a mandate from his base to change the system, I'm sure the GOP is also feeling the pressure from their constituents to keep the status quo, what amounts to a three class medical system, intact. Those who have the most get the best care by the best physicians in the best hospitals, those who have the least have to go to overcrowded inner city hospitals. I'm sure the privileged few like that system just the way it is. "Keep the riffraff out of our hospitals please." Mr. Obama is begging to differ and the GOP doesn't like that, well, too bad, you lost. Our guy's in office now. Change is a bitter pill to swallow for those who benefit from the status quo, i'd recommend they just grit their teeth and swallow that pill, it's going to happen whether they want it to or not.
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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:06 pm



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
on't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).

God forbid one station broadcasts from a right-of-center viewpoint, as opposed to the following stations which broadcast from a left-of-center to a leftist viewpoint:

CNN
CNN - Headline News
MSNBC
ABC
NBC
CBS

The more and more I hear liberals whine about Fox News, the more and more I believe they think the media should strictly be the mouthpiece for the DNC -- without regard to neutrality.

Anyway, as for the thread topic. Are you really surprised? What's even more apalling is that no other stations are questioning this. Instead, I have a feeling they are kicking themselves since they didn't get the invite.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:29 pm



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 14):
The more and more I hear liberals whine about Fox News

This makes me laugh. You're complaining about liberals whining about Fox News? Look around you on this board! You can't have a political discussion here without conservatives falling back on the argument that the media is liberal. Hell, I think that's all that L-188 knows how to say!  Silly When you run out of arguments, blame the liberal media. Don't bother with supporting your argument, just throw the label out there.

It's not the same as when someone criticizes Fox for presenting a lie as fact, and brings the facts to back it up. If you can *substantiate* your criticism of other media outlets like people do when criticizing Fox, you'll get further in your arguments. But until then, stop using it as a crutch.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 14):
Are you really surprised? What's even more apalling is that no other stations are questioning this.

Maybe it's because everyone else read the whole article, including the conclusion:

Quote:
"ABCNEWS Senior Vice President Kerry Smith on Tuesday responded to the RNC complaint, saying it contained 'false premises':

"ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions -- even when others have taken a more partisan approach and even in the face of criticism from extremes on both ends of the political spectrum. ABCNEWS is looking for the most thoughtful and diverse voices on this issue.

"ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."

Sounds like you guys shouldn't simply accept as gospel the words of the RNC. ESPECIALLY if you're going to criticize the media for being liberally biased.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:09 pm

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
As though that line were not already shredded to death.

Well, excuse me for not researching snappy one liners. If you're going to leave a straight line out there, you've got to expect a comeback.

That comeback is really more of a comment on the people that fawn all over him rather than the man himself.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
The president has a great deal of hope from a great deal of people invested in him. That's not a bad thing, nor is it grounds for a cult of personality nor hero worship. By all accounts, he is an intelligent and thoughtful man. Why is it so hard to think that, just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?

Sorry, if I just based what I thought on his experience level and not his personality. The sooner we start putting leaders in power that have nothing to do with their looks or style, the better off we'll all be, no matter which side you're on.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
just maybe

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a little more certainty than "just maybe". That's almost as vague as "change" and "hope".

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Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:53 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
It's not the same as when someone criticizes Fox for presenting a lie as fact, and brings the facts to back it up. If you can *substantiate* your criticism of other media outlets like people do when criticizing Fox, you'll get further in your arguments. But until then, stop using it as a crutch.

"Presenting a lie as fact"... I guess that's what journalism errors are called if you are a right-of-center news organization. I would also posit that there have been many, many more "presenting a lie as fact" by liberal news outlets. After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments over facts and logic -- and actually the healthcare debate is a perfect example of that.
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:19 pm



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
"Presenting a lie as fact"... I guess that's what journalism errors are called if you are a right-of-center news organization.

"Obama went to school at a madrassa in Indonesia." - Steve Doocy. That's not journalistic error, that's reporting a lie and presenting it as fact, and it has happened more than once at Fox News.

Now, when it happens at other media outlets, you'll note that I rail on them too. If you have paid much attention to my posts over the last 10 years, you'll know that I absolutely HATE the media, and I'm not afraid of calling anyone out.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments

Irrelevant and off topic.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
the healthcare debate

Irrelevant and off topic.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:59 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments

Irrelevant and off topic.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
the healthcare debate

Irrelevant and off topic.

When did you become a moderator?
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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:32 pm



Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
As though that line were not already shredded to death.

Well, excuse me for not researching snappy one liners. If you're going to leave a straight line out there, you've got to expect a comeback.

That wasn't my intention in making the comment. My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a little more certainty than "just maybe". That's almost as vague as "change" and "hope".

So would I. Who wouldn't? But when things that have not yet come to be are at issue, it is rare, indeed, to have such certainty. Additionally, "'change' and 'hope'" are not really bad things.
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Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
That wasn't my intention in making the comment. My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

My point was more about how the President has been fawned over, during the election and after and the behavior of the people doing the fawning.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:56 am



Quoting Mayor (Reply 19):
When did you become a moderator?

It was such an obvious case of misdirection that it had to be noted.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:17 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Is the president granting them favored status which will reflect happily on their bottom line and ratings?

Traditionallly if the president had a speach all three networks covered it. That isn't happening here.

I seem to remember Obama (and Bush) working with all three traditional networks and also CNN. It appears that FOX is the only one that can't get both sides to give them the time of day.

ABC is running a major story on health care and they are getting support of politicians. The other networks have the same OPPORTUNITY. Get real.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
Sorry, if I just based what I thought on his experience level and not his personality.

Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

Sorry, but if Old George were to come back to life he would be surprised about a lot of things, like cars, planes, the internet, cable TV (or just TV in general) air conditioning, etc.

He would also what happened to slavery. Probably be surprised that women and people or color can vote, or own property.

I think he would be impressed with advances in health care, but I doubt that he would be impressed with conservatives putting the well being of insurance companies above the health of the citizens.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:13 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

Why does every discussion of Obama have to revert back to what Bush was or wasn't? I'm talking about Obama, here and not Bush. Bush was a monumental mistake and we all KNOW THAT. How about, when we state something about Obama (without any reference to Bush) that you respond to THAT instead of deflecting it by throwing Bush in the mix.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:33 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

Ummm.... yeah. You might want to do some elementary research before you decide to denigrate anyone's level of education.

Bush - BA, Yale. MBA, Harvard
Obama - BA, Columbia. JD, Harvard

Bush was an average to below average student, Obama refused to make any of his education records public.

Typical response though. No idea what they were talking about, but has probably heard a million times from the media and elsewhere how uneducated Bush was and decided to infer something about his education. Nice try.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
Additionally, "'change' and 'hope'" are not really bad things.

When they are matched with facts and logic, they are fine. Unfortunately, those aren't the stronger pursuits of the Democrat mind.

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Irrelevant and off topic.

Nice try counsel, go back and read what the ABC program was about. Healthcare. Care to restate?
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:49 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
"Dude, if you are going to tell these stories please reference legitmate web-sites.
Drudge is not one of these"

I've never understood this. The Drudge Report is, by and large, a collection of news stories and op ed pieces written by other orginizations and people. It is also a search engine for news stories. Just a look at the op ed pieces shows both left an right accomodated so what is your beef with using the Drudge Report? Do you have a problem with someone googling a news story and using it? Or Yahoo?

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
Don't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).

They've actually invited the President on to speak about his health care plan and the most response they've gotten is continued jabs by the President, something he never seems to feel necessary to do in regards to ABC or any other major network.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
By the way, Charles, where was your moning when FOX made such a huge deal out of the Tea Parties? Ah, slipped your mind, did it? I thought so......

They actually presented the Presidents response to the tea parties, which was to tell those attending the tea parties to get real.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 19):
Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments

Irrelevant and off topic.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
the healthcare debate

Irrelevant and off topic.

When did you become a moderator?

As soon as you ask a question he doesn't have an answer for. It's his typical response in that situation.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

Why not. President Bush has an MBA from the Harvard Business School which tells me he would be far more qualified to speak to the economics of the plan than a Havard lawyer. Then there is the actual business experience of which President Obama has none.

ABC is in the process of cementing their credentials as the Amen Barack Channel. Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopoulos, just a couple of completely unbiased members of the ABC crew.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:52 pm



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 25):
Obama refused to make any of his education records public.

Dude, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Then he was a professor at Chicago Law School. I think we can put to bed the idea that he was anything other than an incredible student (at least in law school).

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 25):
Nice try counsel, go back and read what the ABC program was about. Healthcare. Care to restate?

Fair enough. Withdrawn as to health care.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:01 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
I think we can put to bed the idea that he was anything other than an incredible student

Ok, you can quit drooling, now.....................  Yeah sure
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:11 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 26):
They've actually invited the President on to speak about his health care plan and the most response they've gotten is continued jabs by the President, something he never seems to feel necessary to do in regards to ABC or any other major network.

Why should the president go and speak on Fox News? Aside from maybe Shep Smith and Brit Hume, they're an unabashedly conservative news outlet. Obama knows full well he won't get fair treatment on that channel. I'm also pretty sure he hasn't been on MSNBC (though you can correct me on that if I'm wrong), which would give him an unfairly positive treatment. He's sticking with the center-of-the-road major networks.

Quoting DXing (Reply 26):
They actually presented the Presidents response to the tea parties, which was to tell those attending the tea parties to get real.

If that's all you remember about Fox News's coverage of the tea parties, you clearly aren't watching much of that channel.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:15 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 29):
Obama knows full well he won't get fair treatment on that channel.

Uh, no. Obama knows he won't get slow-pitch softball questions on FOX.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:53 pm



Quoting Mayor (Reply 28):
Ok, you can quit drooling, now.....................

Whatever dude. It was in direct response to someone calling into question his education.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 29):
Why should the president go and speak on Fox News? Aside from maybe Shep Smith and Brit Hume, they're an unabashedly conservative news outlet. Obama knows full well he won't get fair treatment on that channel. I'm also pretty sure he hasn't been on MSNBC (though you can correct me on that if I'm wrong), which would give him an unfairly positive treatment.

Correct. Since his election, Obama has not done cable at all. (I'm 99% sure on this, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

Quoting DXing (Reply 26):
As soon as you ask a question he doesn't have an answer for. It's his typical response in that situation.

No, actually, it's a response I give when the person is trying to set up a straw man or is trying to take the argument off topic, as you are wont to do.

You know me. I have an answer for *everything.*  Smile
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:40 pm



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
Why is it so hard to think that, just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?

Because he has shown no leadership qualities, never held a position of responsibility (don't give me Community Organizer BS and he campaigned for most of his time as a Senator...). He was a good orator who has great speech writers for the Sheeple that make up many of America's public.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
Additionally, "'change' and 'hope'" are not really bad things.

No, not at all. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm not sure Obama even believes in his own message. I seem to remember him fumbling like an idiot (worse than even Bush!) many times when his teleprompters went out.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

"Bush - BA, Yale. MBA, Harvard
Obama - BA, Columbia. JD, Harvard"


Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
I think he would be impressed with advances in health care, but I doubt that he would be impressed with conservatives putting the well being of insurance companies above the health of the citizens.

Why do liberals always have to play the emotional game. 'Conservatives don't care about the poor' yada yada yada. Show me where the quality of life improved for the poor under a liberal president.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 25):
Bush was an average to below average student, Obama refused to make any of his education records public.

Perhaps, maybe because he wasn't that stellar of a student.

Quoting IgneousRocks (Reply 30):
Uh, no. Obama knows he won't get slow-pitch softball questions on FOX.

 checkmark  O'Reilly went easy on him and Obama was on the defensive the whole time. I can't imagine if Glenn Beck were to interview Obama...good God!  faint 
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:52 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 29):
Why should the president go and speak on Fox News? Aside from maybe Shep Smith and Brit Hume, they're an unabashedly conservative news outlet.

Until he does his quips about Fox News look petty and are unsubstantiated.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 29):
Obama knows full well he won't get fair treatment on that channel.

Then he won't be suprised will he. He should be ready to answer tough questions, not "can you name something 'enchanted' you've discovered" type softballs he gets elsewhere.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 29):
I'm also pretty sure he hasn't been on MSNBC (though you can correct me on that if I'm wrong), which would give him an unfairly positive treatment. He's sticking with the center-of-the-road major networks.

Do you really think MSNBC's parent news orginization is going to allow him on MSNBC instead of NBC?

Quoting D L X (Reply 31):
No, actually, it's a response I give when the person is trying to set up a straw man or is trying to take the argument off topic, as you are wont to do.

Sure. Keep playing that violin.
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Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
"ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."

In plain english, "we're going to make damn sure there isn't a single person in the audience that doesn't support the President lock, stock, and barrel. We don't want to, in any way shape or form, threaten our "favored network" status.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:06 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
In plain english, "we're going to make damn sure there isn't a single person in the audience that doesn't support the President lock, stock, and barrel. We don't want to, in any way shape or form, threaten our "favored network" status.

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Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:11 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 33):
Then he won't be suprised will he. He should be ready to answer tough questions, not "can you name something 'enchanted' you've discovered" type softballs he gets elsewhere.

You misunderstand me. Tough questions are one thing, and I'd hope Obama would be willing to go on a show where he got them. Unfair interviews, of which O'Reilly is the king, are another thing entirely. O'Reilly's usual interview strategy is to shout at his opponent until they lose their cool. And even if his opponent manages to stay levelheaded, he'll probably have his editors fiddle with the interview until it winds up with him looking good. That sort of thing is more suited to Jerry Springer than a so-called news program.

Quoting DXing (Reply 33):
Do you really think MSNBC's parent news orginization is going to allow him on MSNBC instead of NBC?

I think they'll put him on whatever channel Obama asks for.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:31 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 35):
Sure. Keep playing that violin.

Which in no way disputes the coment.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 36):
Unfair interviews, of which O'Reilly is the king, are another thing entirely.

If O'Reilly were the only interviewer on Fox that statement might have some validity. Chris Wallace, Greta, hell why not Neil Cavuto?
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Quoting DXing (Reply 37):
If O'Reilly were the only interviewer on Fox that statement might have some validity. Chris Wallace, Greta, hell why not Neil Cavuto?

Fair enough, so I'll throw out another possible reason. Obama feels that Fox News does not give his proposals fair treatment, that they automatically oppose them and don't present both sides of the debate. If he feels (quite correctly, I think) that the channel as a whole is biased against him, it seems reasonable for him to "retaliate" by not going on their news programs.

But again, he also hasn't gone on MSNBC, despite their support for him and a near-guarantee of favorable treatment, so he is being fair in denying both politically biased channels interviews.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:27 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 31):
Quoting Mayor (Reply 28):
Ok, you can quit drooling, now.....................

Whatever dude. It was in direct response to someone calling into question his education.

And MY post was in direct response to this part of your statement, which was really not needed............

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
I think we can put to bed the idea that he was anything other than an incredible student (at least in law school).

You didn't have to say "incredible". You could have said "good" student, but by doing so, you proved my point. As soon as anyone mentions his name, out come the list of adjectives and superlatives. I've got nothing against the man, personally, but it's the fawning over him that makes me ill. BTW, I never called into question his education, just his EXPERIENCE level, which is a whole other thing. Seems like the only one who had his education level questioned was Bush.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

And that din and discord would be from the left, after they found out that Washington wasn't as liberal as they thought.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 38):
Obama feels that Fox News does not give his proposals fair treatment, that they automatically oppose them and don't present both sides of the debate

Even more reason to go on the network and confront what he feels is unfair treatment head on. Then he can say he straightened them out or say with validity that he did not get a fair shake.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 38):
If he feels (quite correctly, I think) that the channel as a whole is biased against him, it seems reasonable for him to "retaliate" by not going on their news programs.

Then he loses any validity in saying that they don't or won't treat him fairly since he is operating purely on supposition.

Meanwhile ABC seems to have a free hand which suggests that the President feels that they are on his side and he doesn't need to fear them asking embarrassing questions.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:35 pm



Quoting Mayor (Reply 39):
You didn't have to say "incredible". You could have said "good" student, but by doing so, you proved my point. As soon as anyone mentions his name, out come the list of adjectives and superlatives.

It's not "fawning" over him to call him an incredible student when he was *objectively* an incredible law student. That is just a fact. Now, I'd agree with you if someone had said something like "Obama's an incredible basketball player." There are times when superlatives are warranted. Your viewing my statement as fawning really suggests a personal bias.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 39):
BTW, I never called into question his education

And I think you'll notice that my comment was not in response to you.
 
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Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):
Because he has shown no leadership qualities, never held a position of responsibility (don't give me Community Organizer BS and he campaigned for most of his time as a Senator...).

He was a state legislator for quite some time. Not the most important job in the world, but clearly a position of responsibility.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:56 pm



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 42):
He was a state legislator for quite some time. Not the most important job in the world, but clearly a position of responsibility.

Not in the state of Illinois, it isn't. Especially since the state is virtually run from Chicago. Matter of fact, ex-gov Blago didn't even live or work in Springfield, the capital, but from Chicago, probably so he could get his orders on a more timely basis from the political machine, there.  Wink


BTW, Obama was a state senator from 1997-2004. I don't call 7 years, "quite some time".
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RE: ABC Sinks To New Lows

Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:04 pm

I personally think that it's right for a media outlet to show only one side of the argument, and exclude any arguments to the contrary.

Media is supposed (note the word "supposed") to be impartial and unbiased.

There actually is a term for one-sided, partial, biased information -- it's called propaganda...
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:43 pm



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 44):
I personally think that it's right for a media outlet to show only one side of the argument, and exclude any arguments to the contrary.

Propaganda is a good thing??, I have to disagree as I am of the mind that new outlets show present the news in a neutral fashion as possible. Give us the facts and leave the opinion to the editorials.

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Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:22 pm

Not sure but I think Blackbird meant to put a "don't" in there, somewhere.
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:38 am

Most of the media is in the tank for this administration. I'm only surprised that some people are surprised by this.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:10 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 40):
Then he loses any validity in saying that they don't or won't treat him fairly since he is operating purely on supposition.

No, he doesn't. The way Fox News presents his actions and policy proposals already constitutes unfair treatment of Obama. He doesn't need to suppose anything.

Quoting DXing (Reply 40):
Even more reason to go on the network and confront what he feels is unfair treatment head on.

Or he can go on one of the many networks that give him fair treatment.
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:25 am



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 42):
He was a state legislator for quite some time. Not the most important job in the world, but clearly a position of responsibility.


Quite some time? You're joking right? He was elected to the Senate in 2004, and began campaigning less than two years later. Hardly qualifies him. Yet Sarah Palin, with no more, or less political experience, yet more executive experience is somehow completely unable to run the country. Such a double standard.
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