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Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:08 pm

Quite un believable from a dog handler !! There has been a heatwave in the UK and Ireland for those that dont know. How on earth could a trained handler let this happen??

I think criminal prosecution should take place.

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Police dogs die in car during heatwave

THE RSPCA is investigating after two police dogs died when they were allegedly left in a dog handler's car during the heatwave.

The German shepherds were found in the car at Notts Police's headquarters in Arnold on Tuesday.

The Post understands the police dog handler was on duty but had called into the headquarters at Sherwood Lodge, Arnold and was in a private car.

It is unclear how long the dogs had been in the car on what was the hottest day in Notts for three years – with temperatures rising to 29.3 degrees celsius.

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/ne...rticle-1128150-detail/article.html
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:15 pm

What a dumb thing to do, all it takes is a bit of commom sense, it's the middle of summer, the temps are soaring, and you leave a vulnerable animal inside a car!?. It must have been close to 50 degrees centigrade inside my car in the last couple of days, i'd have probable passed out if i never put the windows down or turned on the air con. But leaving a dog in that heat? Sometimes you wonder why police do the stupidest things, have you heard about the number of police officers who put diesel in their petrol cars every year?
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:21 pm

I read this earlier today. I too was astonished that those professionally handling dogs could allow such a thing to happen. If it does turn out that someone was criminally negligent then charges certainly should be brought. Poor pooches - RIP and thanks for your service.
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:36 pm

Every summer we read stuff like this. It baffles me how people who can apparently own and drive a car are so dumb that they leave their dogs in the car in baking temperatures basically to die a most horrible death.

Whats even more shocking is this was a policeman.

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Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:16 am

Not sure how it is there but our K9 trucks have auto start based on interior temps....Starts up and cools in summer and starts up and heats in winter....I have seen k9s in the trucks in full on heat of day...

Our k9 handlers keep the trucks at home and drive them as if they are a personal vehicle.

Sounds like something went wrong with system.....I hardly think that the handler would leave the dogs in the car with out some kind of similar system...

Or the handler just forgot what vehicle he was in..if he was in a private car....

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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:15 am

Poor dogs...

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
It is unclear how long the dogs had been in the car on what was the hottest day in Notts for three years – with temperatures rising to 29.3 degrees celsius.

29.3 C is a heatwave?! We regularly get temperatures in the 40s during summer...I remember last summer it was 30C at night!
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:19 am

This is the UK.

Here, people come out and sunbathe if there's a gap in the clouds  Wink

But either way, I see the 2 policemen losing their jobs over this, and that's about it. The Met rarely prosecute one of their own.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:49 am

This happened in San Diego last year. A San Diego Sheriff's deputy left his Belgian Malinois K-9 partner in the patrol car, parked in front of his home, windows rolled up on a 100+ degree F day. What a horrible death.

The deputy pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of animal endangerment and received 3 years probation, 100 hours of community service, and he had to pay $5,000 for the dog. The officer was NOT fired! I thought a K-9 partner was equal to a human partner so what gives with the leniency?

Here's a short article: http://www.policeone.com/K-9/article...er-gets-probation-in-death-of-K-9/
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:25 am

They won't lose their job over this.....nor should they....No dog is the same as a human....like it or not they are a possession.....They belong to the police service...same as a car....

Negligent..perhaps but far from criminal....

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Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:57 am

wow, what a way to lose a partner...
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:03 am



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 9):
It's a boy!!!! Jan 23, 2007!!!

Surely it's time to update this. The little fella will be in school soon!

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 6):
Here, people come out and sunbathe if there's a gap in the clouds

I remember all those people running out to Green Park to hire the deck chairs as soon as it topped 20 degrees.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:43 am



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):
Negligent..perhaps but far from criminal....

Not so. Causing unnecessary suffering to animals is illegal in the UK, and rightly so. People get prosecuted for leaving their dogs to die in hot cars - this is only right. It is a terrible thing to do.
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:02 am



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Causing unnecessary suffering to animals is illegal in the UK, and rightly so.

Yup if you do something like that on purpose or because you do not care.... than that is different.... ...To be criminal you need to have the intention to do it....This is no different than a tragic car accident...No intention makes it a non criminal offense.....

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Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:08 am

Many police departments here in the states have K-9 units that are equipped with a variety of heat alarms or protection devices. One of the systems I have heard of uses a key chain fob device and will alert the officer if the temperature exceeds a preset value. If the officer does not respond to the alarm within a preset time, the system will then activate the car's horn. If the officer does not respond to the secondary alarm within a preset time and the temperature remains steady or increases, the system will then crack the rear windows of the car (lower them).
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:13 am



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 6):
The Met rarely prosecute one of their own.



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):
They won't lose their job over this.....nor should they

Of course they should loose their jobs.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:19 am



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):
They won't lose their job over this.....nor should they....No dog is the same as a human....like it or not they are a possession.....They belong to the police service...same as a car....

Negligent..perhaps but far from criminal....

gs

Well, in some US states a police dog is counted like a human police officer. A criminal killing a police dog can (and there have been cases where it happened) be sentenced to death for murder of a police officer.

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Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:47 am



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
Well, in some US states a police dog is counted like a human police officer. A criminal killing a police dog can (and there have been cases where it happened) be sentenced to death for murder of a police officer.

I would be very surprised if this is factual. The whole point of police dogs, (apart from some additional ability that humans don't have), is that they are more expendible than humans and therefore cops can choose to put them at greater risk.

If it is factual, I have to say it is one of the more ridiculous rules I have heard of. I'm a dog lover and believe me, very saddened by this story. But the death of these dogs in the back of a car is definitely NOT as much a tragedy as if it were a couople of kids.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:01 am

Had I seen this then I'd have taken great pleasure in smashing one of the windows, or wrenching it open. Dozens of idiots come down to the South West and then leave their dogs in the car whilst they bugger off to the beach - if they can't be located then the windows get caved in and they are reported to the RSPCA for cruelty. It must be the worst way of dying, poor dogs  Sad
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:04 am



Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 16):
But the death of these dogs in the back of a car is definitely NOT as much a tragedy as if it were a couople of kids.

True but some people are very close to their Dogs and are part of their family. But the flip side of the coin is if they cant be trusted to look after a dog then should they be trusted to look after Kids....

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
Had I seen this then I'd have taken great pleasure in smashing one of the windows

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Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:51 pm

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 12):
Yup if you do something like that on purpose or because you do not care.... than that is different.... ...To be criminal you need to have the intention to do it....This is no different than a tragic car accident...No intention makes it a non criminal offense.....

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Aren't you a police officer?
Intention or not, they committed a crime. Manslaughter is a killing you don't intend to commit, but people are still charged and imprisoned for it. These police officers obviously didn't care about the welfare of the dogs he had in the car.

That's a disgusting thing to say.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):
They won't lose their job over this.....nor should they....No dog is the same as a human....like it or not they are a possession.....They belong to the police service...same as a car....

Negligent..perhaps but far from criminal....

gs

I'm so glad you're not a Metropolitan officer. A dog is a living being, they do not deserve to be cooked to death. I hate dogs (I mean to the point of a phobia) but I cannot see how this is not a crime. Animal cruelty is a crime in the UK and if they weren't police officers they'd be sent to court for this.

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Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:57 am



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 12):
No intention makes it a non criminal offense.....

So if I fire a gun in the air and the bullet comes down and kills someone then it's not a criminal offence cos I didn't intend to kill someone? That is stupidly flawed logic.

They should be prosecuted and the RSPCA will make sure they are.
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:43 am



Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):

I disagree that they should lose their jobs.

Its another scenario where I imagine they will be distraught enough without their jobs being put on the line. As a devoted dog owner, I can empathise with the fact that these officers will be heartbroken. Dog handlers usually develop an incredible bond with their canine partners, to the point where it may as well be their human partner being killed.

Unfortunately mistakes happen, these officers will be suffering enough. I think perhaps it's a sign that more money should be invested in American style systems as described above.

I agree it's negligence, but these officers are only human. Mistakes happen, they should not have to suffer any more than they already are doing.

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Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:04 am



Quoting BA787 (Reply 21):
I disagree that they should lose their jobs.

To be honest, I don't think any of us know enough facts about what led to this to be able to make pronouncements about whether jobs should be lost or not.

One thing is for sure - mistakes were made and this should never have happened. However, we do not know nearly enough to determine who should be blamed for what and how much.
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 21):
Dog handlers usually develop an incredible bond with their canine partners, to the point where it may as well be their human partner being killed.

I would NEVER leave my dog in a car on a hot day or even on a bad day without ventilation. If the temperature is above 18c then I wouldn't leave any dog in any car period. For a specially trained Dog handler it is actually worse IMHO. People who think its ok to leave animals in Cars especially last week are either evil or thick.
 
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Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:49 am

We dont have enough police on the streets as it is, so i disapprove of them loosing their jobs. I do , however, see them being removed from the dog section for the remainder of their service. It wasnt intentional but it was a tragic accident all the same, which is why they should be punished, but not with their jobs. They will learn from this but hopefully they wont get a chance to do it again.
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Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:12 pm

No need to punish them.... just lock them in a car on a hot day for a couple of hours.
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:17 pm



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):

They won't lose their job over this

In Canada I know they wouldn't, unfortunately.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):
No dog is the same as a human....like it or not they are a possession.....They belong to the police service...same as a car....

Under the law, sad but true. However, they belong to the tax payers, not the police service.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 8):
Negligent..perhaps but far from criminal....

Of course, depending on the country/province/state, whatever, but in Canada there already have been a few people charged for this, so far only hefty fines and probations, but jail time is not too far away.

The way I see it. There is no way in hell that this is an "accident". If you have a pet you have a responsibility, just like a child, and you have to be prepared to accept any consequences due to the lack of responsibility on your behalf. If an employer entrusts an animal in your care, this responsibility is even greater.

If you decide to leave an animal in your car, even for just a few minutes, you had better be prepared to deal with the consequences of that decision if that animal dies or is suffering.
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:19 am

So, a Police Officer is going to be charged with causing unneccessary suffering to an animal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8160753.stm

He has also apparently been suspended from duty.
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:41 pm

It's sad to read this story.
Unfortunately, children are also sometimes forgotten inside their parents' car.

In Spain, this year, a woman forgot her 3-year-old son:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ter-being-forgotten-by-mother.html

In 2006, here in Brazil, a father forgot his 1-year-old son inside his car. The child had 1st and 2nd degree burns and died.
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RE: Police Dogs Die While Left In Car During Heatwave

Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:06 pm

Poor dogs thats just really sad.

In LAS a lot of people leave babies in the car so the parents can go gamble and drink. Its about ~20 kids per year die or get seriously injured (Heat stroke, dehydration ect.)

Some parents also let there kids fall in the pool and drown.

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