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What A Nice Guy..

Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:29 pm

If you can't afford to have pets why not just bring them to the local shelter and give them up for adoption to someone who can? I read a lot of animal cruelty but man does this take the cake.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/firefighter.kills.dogs/index.html
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:51 pm

What a cruel person. Throw the book at him.
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:28 pm

The idea of doing the same to him, as he did to the dogs, isn't that bad...  gnasher 
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RE: What A Nice Guy..

Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:08 am

What a p**ck... His lawyer seems to be a bit of work as well

[quote] Santuomo's attorney said that his client is remorseful over his actions and that people need to temper their outrage. "It's the same old story. They couldn't care less about people and they love animals," lawyer Sam Shamansky said.

"...it's now time for the public to practice what they preach and show a little forgiveness and mercy. Maybe that might be a novel approach."[quote]

By no means am I condoning what he did...and it's absolutely terrible that the innocent dogs had to lose their lives....but I would have to say that a quick gunshot (not sure why it took 11 in this case) is much more merciful vs. some of the cruel things others have done to animals. One example I can think of is the "artist" who chained his dog up in an art gallery and let it starve to death http://www.theginblog.com/2007/10/ar...-dies-is-this-art-or-animal-abuse/ . Or there's the whole thing about how certain firms take animal testing waayyy overboard (I definitely agree that some animal testing is a necessary evil, especially for new drug development)... for example, they've done tests where they force feed monkeys Drain-O to determine how much it takes to reach the fatal quantity... or how P&G put a Bagel in an oven to cause severe burns, to test some scar reducing cream...

(Before I get called a PETA nutjob... I think their intentions are good, but their practices are terrible, and they may be doing more harm than good to the cause).


ETA: Holy crap this is disturbing http://www.theginblog.com/2008/03/th...-the-unpatriotic-parts-of-the-war/

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RE: What A Nice Guy..

Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:23 am

I'm not an animal-rights person at all ... I have no problem with hunting, eating meat, wearing fur, etc. This, however, is just plain stupid -- it's easier to shoot them and hide the bodies rather then board them for a week?

Not to mention ... 11 shots from a .22? I'm probably going to get yelled at for this by the PETA-people, but if you DO have to put down your own animals, kill them instantly, so that they don't have to suffer multiple wounds. Even I consider what he did animal cruelty... a single shot to the base of the skull should be sufficient.
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RE: What A Nice Guy..

Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:10 pm

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 3):
His lawyer seems to be a bit of work as well

What has the lawyer done to offend anyone, apart from doing his job and defending his client to the best of his ability? Being a lawyer is sometimes a thankless job, standing up for your client and getting slagged in public for that. He hasn't denied that the crime is a heinous offence, yet he did what any lawyer would do - present mitigating factors to reduce possible punishment. His client, no matter how much of a monster he is, has a right to legal representation.

I condemn animal cruelty like anyone else, but if I'm ever faced with a client who is charged with animal cruelty, I am professionally obliged to defend that client if requested to do so. Just because a lawyer presents an argument in a court doesn't mean that the argument is compatible with his personal views.

I hope, however, that punishment for animal cruelty becomes more severe. There has been several cases of youth assaulting kangaroos in Australia in the last few months, and getting away with it.

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RE: What A Nice Guy..

Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:48 pm

Truthfully, I think this guy's a sociopath
 
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Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:07 pm



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An Ohio firefighter faces jail time and may lose his job for shooting his two dogs to death rather than pay to board them while he went on a cruise.

I read enough. How about someone shoots him and see how he likes it...  sarcastic 

As for me, I would love very much to have a chance to raise a dog on my own. I need more room as well as to be more financially stable before I do that tho. My parents and I had a dog that lived from the time I was about 3 or 4 until I was almost 21; she was a 55 lb lab mix at that. Do the math...
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Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:21 pm

What I really don't get is that this guy got these dogs from a shelter several years ago. So if he went to the trouble of obtaining these dogs then what happened? I don't buy the he had no one to watch them story. He either fell out of grace and didn't want them anymore or he just enjoys hurting or killing animals...Why did he not take them back to the shelter if he didn't want them right? No he enjoyed killing them hence the bragging at work that got him caught..Well this dumbass will get it in the end...There are already over 2000 calls from outraged people for his termination from the fire dept. Also his address is on public record. Looks like he will spend his days looking over his shoulder when he comes home. Not to mention the jail time and fines which will cost WAY more than it would have cost him to board those dogs. Yeah he just might get some more firefighting experience when his own house goes up in flames.
 
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RE: What A Nice Guy..

Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:32 pm



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
I read enough. How about someone shoots him and see how he likes it... sarcastic

Oooh, or we could hoist him on his rear legs and....never mind.  Yeah sure

I hope the poor dogs didn't suffer a great deal in his hands. I am generally anti-meat, anti-fur, and anti-hunting, it just never surprises me what people can do to animals.
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:37 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 9):
I am generally anti-meat, anti-fur, and anti-hunting, it just never surprises me what people can do to animals.

Do you ever watch Animal Precinct on Animal Planet? There was this one episode where this couple kept all of these animals. The animal cops discovered over a dozen corpses in the FREEZER!! Oh it doesn't surprise me either what people do. What I do wonder is how the heck they sleep at night...
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RE: What A Nice Guy..

Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:57 am

Remind me again, how does he afford a cruise but not animal care?
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