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South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:55 am

According to a South Korea news agency, Kim Jong Il has life threatening pancreatic cancer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31880905/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:10 am

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Kim Jong Il.  Wink
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:12 am

They already said a few months ago that Krazy Kim had a stroke and was about to expire. Nonetheless, judging from the picture, he does look pretty ill, but I'll believe these reports once his demise is officially reported.
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:18 am

I volunteer to put him out of his misery.  tombstone 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:07 am

Hennessy is going to lose their most valuable customer.  Smile
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:26 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I volunteer to put him out of his misery

I know many more people who would like to do so as well, and about bloody time.

So shall he be renamed Kim Jong ILL?

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:40 am

There was a story on ABC last year that he had actually died in 2003..

He doesn't appear in public very often so it's difficult to verify but there are allegations today that North Korea's leader Kim Jong-Il has in fact been dead for five years.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/08/2358528.htm
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:46 am



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Thread starter):
Kim Jong Il has life threatening pancreatic cancer

Please pardon me as I wish him a miserable and wretched death. I look forward to hearing of his demise as soon as possible.

I would hope this may trigger some change for the good on the Korean peninsula though I will not be holding my breath.
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:15 am

Aw, poor guy. I feel so sorry for him.  Yeah sure

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 5):
So shall he be renamed Kim Jong ILL?

Nice.

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Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:17 am

It couldn´t happen to a nicer guy.

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:26 am

That these disclosures are being made to the world to me is a major and very badly needed change in North Korea's governance. The deeper problem is what happens after this 'dear leader' is gone. We could see a very wacked out military take over the government, not a good or stable situation. Better would be some situation where the party leadership chooses a new leader, decides to end the cult leadership and lifestyles, end the isolation, get out of the nuke business and make sure the people are properly fed.
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:29 am

You can go sign up in the link to give your condolences. There is a fourm section.

http://www.korea-dpr.com/
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:28 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I volunteer to put him out of his misery.

Actually, I volunteer to prolong the misery part...
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:00 pm



Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 11):
You can go sign up in the link to give your condolences. There is a fourm section.

http://www.korea-dpr.com/

Wow, that forum is fascinating. Not a smidge of sanity anywhere. I was reading for about 25 minutes before coming up with "Huh?"...  Smile
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:07 pm

I'm confident he has made sure that there's a nutjob to continue his work.
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:26 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Better would be some situation where the party leadership chooses a new leader, decides to end the cult leadership and lifestyles, end the isolation, get out of the nuke business and make sure the people are properly fed.

Oh yes, THAT will happen.... crazy 

IMHO, this will happen: one of Kim's sons (the younger one I think) will be heralded as the new "(insert ridiculous name here) Leader", will be handled like a puppet by the military and the Chinese, and try to extend his rule for as long as possible. There is no other way out for these people. Any attempt to unloosen the grip will open up a can of worms that would quickly spiral out of control, in a nuclear armed state, no less. No way the Chinese will let that happen in their backyard.

The question is: what's on China's mind regarding the country's future?
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:28 pm



Quoting Racko (Reply 14):
IMHO, this will happen: one of Kim's sons (the younger one I think) will be heralded as the new "(insert ridiculous name here) Leader", will be handled like a puppet by the military and the Chinese, and try to extend his rule for as long as possible. There is no other way out for these people. Any attempt to unloosen the grip will open up a can of worms that would quickly spiral out of control, in a nuclear armed state, no less. No way the Chinese will let that happen in their backyard.

The question is: what's on China's mind regarding the country's future?

The point is very simple: Any loosening of the iron grip the party and military have on the population could easily cause a total loss of control, which then could lead to a Ceauscescu-type revolution and execution of the former leadership.

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Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:46 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):

The point is very simple: Any loosening of the iron grip the party and military have on the population could easily cause a total loss of control, which then could lead to a Ceauscescu-type revolution and execution of the former leadership.

Exactly. And that's the reason the surrounding countries cannot let that happen. Saber-rattling aside, I bet that a few well placed bombs by the US, or with the US permission, could easily set off a chain of events that would bring the regime down. It is rotten to the core.
However, like in Iraq, it's not how to bring them down. It's what to do after that, and the huge costs, both humanitarian, financial and in terms of security that the fall of the regime would entail. And the main burden would be on the chinese.
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:47 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):

The point is very simple: Any loosening of the iron grip the party and military have on the population could easily cause a total loss of control, which then could lead to a Ceauscescu-type revolution and execution of the former leadership.

Tough road, but that would be great for North Korean people...I mean, look where Romania is now, they are a great place with rising prosperity in business and tourism, back from the brink of total collapse just a couple decades ago. I really hope, for the people of the DPRK, this can happen one day. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it will be soon...
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:39 pm



Quoting Racko (Reply 14):
I'm confident he has made sure that there's a nutjob to continue his work.

His third son.

From CNN last week:

"In April, he named his son Kim Jong Un and brother-in-law, Jang Song Thaek, to the country's powerful National Defense Commission, suggesting his third son may be his heir."
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:53 pm



Quoting SW733 (Reply 12):
Actually, I volunteer to prolong the misery part...

Normally I'd agree, but the longer the misery lasts for him, the longer it lasts for the North Korean people. Not that his son is a guarantee for better days, but at least it would be a chance, which you know you're not getting with his dad.

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:00 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 20):

Normally I'd agree, but the longer the misery lasts for him, the longer it lasts for the North Korean people.

Oh no no, take him out of power, and then keep him somewhere to suffer

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:05 pm

Another model if he dies and there is no central strong leader to take over is a Nuke armed Somilia with different Generals in the becoming warlords.
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:25 pm



Quoting SW733 (Reply 18):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):

The point is very simple: Any loosening of the iron grip the party and military have on the population could easily cause a total loss of control, which then could lead to a Ceauscescu-type revolution and execution of the former leadership.

Tough road, but that would be great for North Korean people...I mean, look where Romania is now, they are a great place with rising prosperity in business and tourism, back from the brink of total collapse just a couple decades ago. I really hope, for the people of the DPRK, this can happen one day. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it will be soon...

Sure, but the NK generals and party nomeklatura know very well what will wait for them if they lose control: No an amnesty and retirement or turning the communist party into a pseudo-democratic party like what happened in several former communist European countries, but either prison or the firing squad. therefore, at least the old guard, will never surrender power voluntarely. What NK needs now is a person who incorporates Khrustchev and Gorbatchev, one to break with the personality cult around the Kims, as Khrustchev did with Stalin, and one to tell the NK population that all the past propaganda was fake and that the country is broke.

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:25 pm

Lets just hope the country goes into revolution once he passes on. Kim Jong Ill is the onlly one who "Knows what he is doing" and once people realize that once hes gone than the country is F***ed not that it is perfect know. And judging by the fabulous health care in NK i give his 6 months to a year at most.
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:07 pm



Quoting 7324ever (Reply 24):
Lets just hope the country goes into revolution once he passes on. Kim Jong Ill is the onlly one who "Knows what he is doing" and once people realize that once hes gone than the country is F***ed not that it is perfect know.

For that, they also have to overcome the brainwashing that is done to them, since they've been children, and also through propaganda. If the communist government in the DPRK collapses, that's one of the things to overcome in a new democratic society (and one that could eventually seek peaceful re-unification with the ROK).

That being said, even when Kim expires, and his son takes over, there will be too many questions to answer. One of them is whether his son will be strong enough to control the political hardliners in the DPRK, as well as whether he will seek something like genuine peace and increased economic cooperation (which also implies lossening up the Juche ideology of self reliance) between the DPRK and the ROK, going beyond Kim Dae-Jung's Sunshine Policy, or if he'll follow the zero-tolerance policy of his old man and become a hardliner.

Let's not forget that factually, the North and the South are still at war. They only reason why there have been no hostilities for the past 56 years is because of the armistice signed in Panmunjom, but other than that, both countries are still at war. An Armistice isn't a peace treaty.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:43 am



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 5):
I know many more people who would like to do so as well, and about bloody time.

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:26 am

I do not put too much faith into "Heaven and Hell", but when someone like this maniac dies, I sure do "hope" there is a Heaven and a Hell.  Angry
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:18 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):
Any loosening of the iron grip the party and military have on the population could easily cause a total loss of control, which then could lead to a Ceauscescu-type revolution and execution of the former leadership.

What I would give for Kim getting the Ceausescu treatment. However, in Ceausescu's case, from what I remember, the whole problem began when the Defence Minister was murdered, which basically turned the Army against him. Then (correct me if I'm wrong), a conflict between Army and Securitate started, which lead to a borderline civil war for a few years, even after the death of Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife.

In North Korea, Krazy Kim controls basically everything. Anybody else in the "government" is mostly just a figurehead. Kim controls the most important part of the DPRK, which is the government and the intelligence service. And just recently, Kim named his son Kim Jong-Un (aka Krazy Kim III.) as the new head of intelligence, consolidating his power even more by keeping the most important things "in the family". Before Krazy Kim I. (aka Kim Il-Sung) expired, he gave up supreme command of the Army to his son, Krazy Kim II. (aka Kim Jong-Il).
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:45 pm

I think the whole pancreatic cancer thing is a ruse to make ol' L'il Kim seem cooler. He's just had his new iPhone brought across, looked at Steve Jobs' personality cult amongst Apple's fanatical fan base and decided to be like him. Steve Jobs has also had pancreatic cancer and I expect that there will be an announcement that there are long queues of North Koreans wanting to give up their liver for Kim Jong Il as well.

Or maybe he just wants Dirty Dancing at the next Arirang Mass Games.
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Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:04 am

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:37 am



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 22):

Yeah, the possibility of an unstable regime with nukes doesn't sit well with me. You can bet certain groups and nations would love to get their hands on them for a reasonable price.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 30):

It's sad, but it's true none the less.
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Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:21 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28):
What I would give for Kim getting the Ceausescu treatment. However, in Ceausescu's case, from what I remember, the whole problem began when the Defence Minister was murdered, which basically turned the Army against him. Then (correct me if I'm wrong), a conflict between Army and Securitate started, which lead to a borderline civil war for a few years, even after the death of Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife.

Mostly correct. The defense minister refused to order the army to open fire at unarmed demonstrators. As a result he was arrsted and executed by the Securitate.
Since the defense minister was very much liked within the army, this brought the army into a civil war like situation against the Securitate.
The army also arrested and court-martialled the Ceaucescu couple (though the verdict was clear before the trial started. They even had the coffins ready).

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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:57 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 32):
The army also arrested and court-martialled the Ceaucescu couple (though the verdict was clear before the trial started. They even had the coffins ready).

I remember finding a few videos on Youtube which showed the corpses of Ceausescu and his wife after they were basically summarily executed. I'm saying summary execution because the trial was just show and once the long determined verdict came out, they were taken immediately outside to face the firing squad.
 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:05 pm



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Thread starter):
Kim Jong Il has life threatening pancreatic cancer.

Is the rotten SOB dead yet???  devil 
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:35 pm

Just glad there is still good news in the world. Be it though cancer is terrible death it is a cruel Ironic fate.
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RE: South Korea: Kim Jong Il Has Pancreatic Cancer

Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:18 pm



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Thread starter):
According to a South Korea news agency, Kim Jong Il has life threatening pancreatic cancer.

There is justice in the world.

Pancreatic cancer is not life-threatening, it is life-ENDING. 95% of patients diagnosed with pancreatic cancer will be dead in 5 years. To quote my med school prof: "the other 5% probably didn't actually have pancreatic cancer."

And it's not an easy, painless death, either.

Mr. Kim, after what you have done to so many people, I wish you many medical procedures (maybe they'll do a Whipple procedure [http://www.mayoclinic.org/pancreatic-cancer/whippleprocedure.html]). I wish you watching your body fall apart as you become unable to perform your daily activities and have to have your behind wiped for you. I wish you challenging pain management. And then, justice will have been served, once you take your agonized, suffocating, gasping last breath.

A bullet through the head would be a kindness that Mr. Kim does not deserve.
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