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Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:09 am

Breaking News on the BBC News Channel

Andrew 'Freddie' Flintoff is to retire from test cricket after the Ashes series.

A great shame for English Cricket, Freddie is one of the true greats!
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:15 pm



Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
Freddie is one of the true greats

True but it seems his mass was just a bit too great for his knees. Hope he is still reasonably mobile when he finally retires from all cricket. Wonder how many of the tests he will play in this year.

Test cricket is going to have its most difficult task not in attracting spectators and interest, but in keeping the most dynamic players in the face of the financial temptations from 20 20.
 
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:58 pm

Surprise.....Normally the Cricketers choose to retire from ODIs & concentrate on Tests.
Guess,Physically it may not be possible to continue.
Definetly one great Allrounder.
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:58 am

I have always liked Flintoff and its unfortunate that so much of his career was plagued by injuries.

But objectively speaking i have always found Flintoff to be a very over rated player.No doubt he has been an asset for england and served well as an all rounder but im afraid he was no Ian Botham,Imran Khan or Richard Hadlee.

Other modern day all rounders such as Jacque Kallis (South Africa) who is a batting allrounder,Shaun Pollock (South Africa) and Wasim Akram (Pakistan) who were both bowling all rounders had far greater impact in the success of their teams then Flintoff ever did-without nearly as much hype.

His bowling average (32.5runs/wicket) is actually higher then his batting average of (31.69runs/innings).That bowling average is extremely mediocre for someone who is so highly regarded.He has never taken 10 wickets or more in a Test and has only taken 5 or more wickets in an innings on 2 occasions in his entire carrer!

Aside from the 2005 Ashes,his contributions that resulted in England actually winning are few.

None the less best of luck to England in the rest of the ashes (im cheering for them) and to Flintoff for the rest of his ODI and T20 carrer.
 
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:45 am

With Flintoff I always got the impression that it wasn't the amount of wickets he got but who's wickets he got. He was the go to man when you wanted the dangerman removed and he did that job well. I don't think we'll ever know how good Freddie could have been because of his injuries.
 
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:10 pm



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 3):
His bowling average (32.5runs/wicket) is actually higher then his batting average of (31.69runs/innings).That bowling average is extremely mediocre for someone who is so highly regarded.He has never taken 10 wickets or more in a Test and has only taken 5 or more wickets in an innings on 2 occasions in his entire carrer!

Guess what, Flintoff has only taken 5 wkts in a 1st class innings 3 times in his career. For him to have done it twice at Test level suggests he tries his damndest for the country. What is more interest is the split in his career when England altered his deployment as a bowler

Test Stats:
1998 to 2002: Batting 643 runs @ 19.48. 1 100. Bowling 33 wkts @ 47,15. 0 5i
2003 to present: Batting 3069 runs @ 36.10. 4 100s. Bowling 187 wkts @ 29.90. 2 5i.
 
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:39 am



Quoting David_itl (Reply 5):
Guess what, Flintoff has only taken 5 wkts in a 1st class innings 3 times in his career. For him to have done it twice at Test level suggests he tries his damndest for the country

You see i dont doubt that for one second,we all know he tried his damndest for England.But despite that the results that were expected from a player with so much hype were not there.

Looking at the stats you provided,you will find in most cases the averages improve after first 3-4 years of their careers so thats a regular pattern.But if you still look at the improved bowling average of 29.9,thats a very mediocre average for someone considered as a strike bowler.

I think his reputation far exceeded his talent.
 
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RE: Flintoff To Retire From Test Cricket

Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:48 am



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 6):
But if you still look at the improved bowling average of 29.9,thats a very mediocre average for someone considered as a strike bowler.

But part of the problem was that he as well as being

Quoting Davehammer (Reply 4):
the go to man when you wanted the dangerman removed and he did that job well

he was also the go to man whenever there was a need for England to put a brake on the number of runs scored, thereby creating pressure which led to other bowlers picking up the rewards. I also think he had a large number of catches dropped off his bowling, more than the other English bowlers; if only a reasonable portion of them were held then his overall record would be better. I believe at Cardiff he was the 1st English bowler to get to 30 overs...and this is a man who has suffered more than his fair share of injuries over the past 3 years and is meant to be the "strike bowler". Which other country would label a player as such and then make him the workhorse of the attack?

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