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Foreign Troops Join Bastille Parade

Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:27 pm



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...ALeqM5hJKw2OAjJIiQVce6h136Vtx15_wA

Very Interesting to find foreign troops joining the parade.

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Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:34 pm

Seeing German troops in Paris must have been a bit of an unpleasant memory to any Parisians who lived through 1940. I just relayed the story to my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.
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Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:04 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.

Give Sarkozy a break. American and British troops already took part to the parade in previous years, so your mother has no reason to be appalled. The relationship between France and Germany has moved on since WWII, now there's nothing shocking in seeing the German and French troops marching alongside.
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:09 pm

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 2):
so your mother has no reason to be appalled

Considering she lived under Nazi occupation and had a particularly dear childhood friend of hers who was Jewish "disappear," I'm sure she'd respectfully disagree. Yes things have changed a lot since then but old traumas don't go away quite so easily.

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Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:18 pm

Well then she should be at least reassured that the British and American troops did take part to the parade before the Germans did.
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:44 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
Seeing German troops in Paris must have been a bit of an unpleasant memory to any Parisians who lived through 1940. I just relayed the story to my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.

Actually, it was the joint franco-german brigade which participated in the parade; It consists of both french and german members.

If there is any indication of how far the relationship between the France and the Germany of 2009 has come since the horrible time of the german occupation, the franco-german brigade is a prime candidate.

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Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:19 pm

The Franco-German brigade is one of the testaments to the postwar friendship between France and Germany. Let's not forget, that just a few years after the war, France and Germany were the ones who helped created what became the European Coal and Steel Union, which was one of the founding blocks for what became the European Economic Community, and is now the European Union.

Let's also not forget that by 1963, France and Germany formalised their friendship, and the absolute end of years of distrust towards each other with the Élysée Treaty aka the Friendship Treaty between France and Germany, signed by Adenauer and de Gaulle. If it wasn't for the Élisée Treaty, the Franco-German Brigade would probably have never existed in the first place.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:53 am



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Considering she lived under Nazi occupation and had a particularly dear childhood friend of hers who was Jewish "disappear," I'm sure she'd respectfully disagree

I can only try to imagine the trauma she must have gone through, but she should be able to differentiate the words 'nazi' and 'German'.

As mentioned, France and Germany renewed their friendly ties very shortly after the war.

It is also good to see India being invited to the parade. Hopefully the friendly military, diplomatic and commercial relations between France and India continue to flourish.
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:06 am




Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
It is also good to see India being invited to the parade. Hopefully the friendly military, diplomatic and commercial relations between France and India continue to flourish.

It was a pleasant surprise to watch the Indian troops in the parade.
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:13 am



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Considering she lived under Nazi occupation and had a particularly dear childhood friend of hers who was Jewish "disappear," I'm sure she'd respectfully disagree. Yes things have changed a lot since then but old traumas don't go away quite so easily.

Not all Germans were Nazis. My grandfather was Wafen SS on the Eastern front not a member of a political party.
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:21 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
It was a pleasant surprise to watch the Indian troops in the parade.

I like the uniform of the leader of that group. That would make a great closeup!
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:29 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 10):
I like the uniform of the leader of that group. That would make a great closeup!

Indian Defence forces have various non combat colours.
Excellent link here to the Defence forces site:- http://www.bharat-rakshak.com

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Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:07 pm

As stated, a fine symbol of just how far these nations have come.

There is of course, lots of disagreements within Europe, but they start and end at diplomacy.

Don't see what fuss would be about, even from those who lived through WW2, those on that parade are so completely removed from that era, not just in generational ways, but in attitudes, ethos and much more besides.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:19 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 9):
My grandfather was Wafen SS on the Eastern front not a member of a political party.

Actually the Waffen-SS was the military arm of the Nazi party and directly subordinate to Hitler and Himmler. While originally recruitment was based on volunteers, who, besides being physically very fit, had to be 100% Nazis, after the Waffen-SS suffered great losses in Russia (mainly due to the use of tactics, which spoke more of their fanaticism than sound military thinking, like frontal assaults on machine gun positions), after 1942 they increasingly recruited non-Germans and after the failed military coup against Hitler in 1944 they received the permission to draft conscripts. Towards the end of the war every Hitler Youth was automatically drafted into the Waffen-SS, also several regular Army and Luftwaffe paratroop units were transfered to the Waffen-SS (obviously with asking the soldiers if they wanted to join the Waffen-SS).
The Waffen-SS was never completely seperate from the Totenkopf units, which provided the concentration camp guards. Wounded Waffen-SS combat soldiers were sent to concentration camp duty for recuperation, while the Waffen-SS Totenkopf division was completely made up out of former concentration camp guards. Waffen-SS units were also actively involved in war crimes, e.g. my maternal grandfather, a corporal in the Waffen-SS, was present during the crushing of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of spring 1943 (from what I´ve heard in my family though he couldn´t live with what he had seen or done and committed "suicide by Red Army" a few months later during the Battle of Kursk.).
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Concerning the presence of German troops during the Bastille day parades, it started under Mitterand (who AFAIK was with the French resistance during WW2) with a German battalion of the mixed Franco-German brigade.

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RE: Foreign Troops Join Bastille Parade

Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:00 pm

There not decked out in full blown Nazi parifanalia and I dont see this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27482083@N00/391100002/

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Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:15 am



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
Seeing German troops in Paris must have been a bit of an unpleasant memory to any Parisians who lived through 1940. I just relayed the story to my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.

The Franco-German brigade has marched in this parade for years. My grandmother was there when they first did this and commented that it was much better than they did it under a French colonel (who was in rotational command at hte time) than the last time she saw Germans marching down the Champs.

I thought the participation of Indian troops brought a certain flair. Very colorful troops. It's always an interesting night at the bars in Paris on the 14th of July when all the troops go out to drink. Lots of loud discussion and competition for the college girls on summer break. When it combines with the end of the Tour there's usually a mixture of bicyclists getting bought beer or dunked in the river. The PN are on overtime.
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RE: Foreign Troops Join Bastille Parade

Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:20 pm

I think that it is really cool for foreign troops to be invited to march in national day parades.

Wouldn't it be great if those same Indian troops could be invited to march in Islamabad on Pakistan's national day?
 
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RE: Foreign Troops Join Bastille Parade

Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:38 pm



Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 16):
Wouldn't it be great if those same Indian troops could be invited to march in Islamabad on Pakistan's national day?

Sure would.Just like the support shown during the Cricket matches.Very encouraging.

The Replublic Day parade on 26th January every year has a colourfull march by all regiments.
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