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Glenn Beck Is Getting Worse.

Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:20 pm

Being a fan of FOX I have to say Glenn Beck needs to give it a rest already. I mean I agree with his theory but where did he learn to behave this way?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92820/?fp=1

It's bad enough we have Mark Levin ranting but we don't need this. I don't know if it's an act or he drinks too much caffeine but someone needs to step up here and get this guy in line.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:49 pm

Glenn Beck is crazy and has always been that way, that is since I first saw his show on CNN.

I never understood why CNN gave him his own show, it seemed that they were trying deliberately to make their trust factor worse.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:08 pm



Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 1):
Glenn Beck is crazy and has always been that way, that is since I first saw his show on CNN.

I agree, but from what I've seen he seems to have gotten crazier since the move to FOX.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:43 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 2):
I agree, but from what I've seen he seems to have gotten crazier since the move to FOX.

I think it's because he (and everyone else) has been rather shocked and surprised at the speed at which this country is going down a self-destructive path. He's very passionate about his country. I don't see anything wrong with that. He's trying to get his message across with as much conviction and perspective as he can. And his logic generally is pretty good.

That said, I agree he needs to relax a bit. He looks like he's going to have a aneurysm on the show one of these days. He ruins his own believability when he starts acting all goofy. But I don't think it's an act - I think he is genuinely despondent and what our government is doing to us.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:40 pm

Whoever controls the caller disconnect button wins the argument. Period. It is simply impossible to have a meaningful conversation with any of these political joker-entertainers because their goal is to stroke their ego and make their point, not to grow mentally and think about the world of politics. Hannity, Olberman, etc are in it for the $$$. Sometimes I doubt Michael Savage believes half the bull$hit he spews, but I guess he has to do it to pay the bills.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:52 pm



Quoting N867DA (Reply 11):
Whoever controls the caller disconnect button wins the argument. Period. It is simply impossible to have a meaningful conversation with any of these political joker-entertainers because their goal is to stroke their ego and make their point, not to grow mentally and think about the world of politics. Hannity, Olberman, etc are in it for the $$$.

I'll agree. Hannity (and especially Olbermann) are not particularly bright; they just are blessed with loud voices that soar over those of their guests.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 11):
Sometimes I doubt Michael Savage believes half the bull$hit he spews, but I guess he has to do it to pay the bills.

That guy is nuts.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:36 pm

Instead of saying we should do nothing about health care why don't conservatives put out their own ideas on how to fix it? Obviously the country wants to do something about health care and there's only one option on the table right now. Not everyone likes it, but what choice do we have, it's the Dems plan or nothing. If the Republicans could offer a better option to cover everyone I guarantee you they could get a huge amount of support.

The thing that seemed to really set him off was when she asked what his ideas were. His idea seems to be that rich people can get great care in this country and poor people aren't left to die on the streets, therefore everything is great and we don't need to do anything.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:05 pm

I think we need to realiize that she attacked him first. Where does she get off bringing his family into the conversation? But he did act like a moron. Universal healthcare is a joke. My brother lives in Canada and he has to get on a freakin waiting list that's about four months long in order to see a doctor. Then we have all these people talking about it's the right thing to do. The best thing for this country to do is lower the price of healthcare for those who can't afford it.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:12 pm

"Get off my phone, you little pinhead!"

Dude, what the hell is wrong with this man?  rotfl 
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:50 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 14):
Instead of saying we should do nothing about health care why don't conservatives put out their own ideas on how to fix it?

I don't know of anyone who says "do nothing". Health care reform is needed. But you don't fix your brakes by blowing up your car, which is basically what this proposed law is set to do.

There are some things in the bill that I like. I do think there should be a minimum coverage level and that everyone should be required to be insured. I like the requirements that insurance companies' ability to mess with your rates based on your profile or past conditions are limited. There are a number of good ideas in it. The problem is that the public option and other limitations appear to be specifically designed to drive people away from private insurance and into the hands of government - the same government that has proven itself to be oh-so-competant with our money in the past. We should be getting rid of employer-provided health care and letting people establish a lasting relationship themselves.

I'd love to get involved with health care reform. But the first priority is to get the Democrats to put down the matches and step away from the dynamite.
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RE: Glenn Beck Is Getting Worse.

Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:57 pm

My first post got deleted in one of those moderator sweeps because it referred to a deleted post. I thought it was on topic, so I'll try again without, I hope, any references to deleted posts.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 4):
It is simply impossible to have a meaningful conversation with any of these political joker-entertainers because their goal is to stroke their ego and make their point, not to grow mentally and think about the world of politics.

I've watched all of these guys (and their counterparts on the left, too, although there aren't as many) -- and as soon as their "guests" start scoring points and exposing the host's blather as exactly that -- blather; they launch into volume overdrive and drown them out. O'Reilly is particularly adept at that. The last thing these jokers want is a reasoned, principled discussion because, well, they'd lose the argument.

We have these jokers up here too, although they are not in the same league as Beck et al. They are nothing but demagogues and as long as they control the podium there will never be an honest discussion about anything. Why are they so popular? Because too many people would rather react emotionally to some perceived slight than spend the time and effort to figure it out. That's the real tragedy.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
Universal healthcare is a joke. My brother lives in Canada and he has to get on a freakin waiting list that's about four months long in order to see a doctor. Then we have all these people talking about it's the right thing to do.

Where does he live, the north pole? I get doctors appointments sometimes the same day, never more than a week out, including with specialists; and I can walk into a clinic any time, 7 days a week and see a doctor if I need it right away. I rarely wait more than a few days for a whole slew of diagnostic tests.

Sounds like you've swallowed the Glenn Beck kool-aid on how awful our healthcare system is. I bet he's never been here.

As always in this debate, exaggerations abound. Some Canadians do go to private clinics here, and some go south to get what they want more quickly at great cost. The important word there is some. Likewise, some Americans come north for care they can't get in the US. There was a letter to the editor of the Vancouver Sun about two weeks ago from a woman in Seattle who was told by her own US physician to go to Vancouver for a particular type of eye surgery because our laser equipment was better. She did, and was writing to express thanks.

An excerpt:

I was told by my optometrist to go to Vancouver to get my eye surgery done because they have better lasers in Canada, so I did. I didn't wait more than a couple of weeks to get in.

I did, however, wait nine months to get into a well-known foot clinic in Seattle and was then told it would be another nine months to have my surgery with the doctor I had asked for. So it's completely hypocritical to say we get needed surgery whenever we choose. My questions to citizens of Metro Vancouver: Why do you hate your health care and, if you think ours is so much better, please tell me why. Also, if you feel strongly that you are being misquoted and that your system is being lied about, would you please send a letter to the Seattle Times and/or one of the Seattle radio stations? We need to hear from our neighbours in Canada because I think we are being lied to about how "awful" your health care is.


http://www.vancouversun.com/health/n...ans+health+care/1777971/story.html

The point is, you can find anecdotal horror stories in both systems, and anecdotal miracles in both systems. Commentators like Beck will never tell you the good ones in Canada because he's got an agenda and it doesn't fit.

Comparisons between the two systems have concluded -- more than once -- that on average, Canada's system costs about half what the US system does per capita, and its outcomes are better. The key word there is average -- and that's why the horror stories (and miracles) will be pulled out of those surveys and used by characters like Beck to paint a ridiculously inaccurate picture.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:23 pm

I too watch Fox, as its entertaining to view such hypocrisy. Its not fair and balanced, but I appreciate its alternate view.

However, it is a large surprise? Beck is a baby O'Reilly in training, even down to the point that he calls her a pinhead.

His tactic in arguing a point is EXACTLY the same as O'Reilly, that is, to PUSH his point by talking OVER people. Hannity does the same.

The ONLY difference here Nick, is that Beck RAISED his voice to the point of yelling whereas Hannity and O'Reilly just talk over you without yelling.

Otherwise, its the same tactic. Bulldozing a point across.

Quoting Max550 (Reply 6):
Instead of saying we should do nothing about health care why don't conservatives put out their own ideas on how to fix it? Obviously the country wants to do something about health care and there's only one option on the table right now

That is one issue I take up as well. I have not heard many alternatives.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 10):
I was told by my optometrist to go to Vancouver to get my eye surgery done because they have better lasers in Canada, so I did. I didn't wait more than a couple of weeks to get in.

This type of thing was done before 1996, when lasers were NOT APPROVED in the US, but not b/c Canadian lasers were better. Besides the lasers are not made in Canada, its all comes down to who buys what equipment.


Beck's point though about other countries PMs and dignitaries doesn't seem to factor into the discussion. If those people are coming here and paying out of pocket for surgery, thats capitalism, good for us.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:37 pm

I didn't know he had gotten any better.  Yeah sure

He's a paranoid loudmouth. He's one of those people who give conservatism a bad name.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:39 pm



Quoting N867DA (Reply 4):
Sometimes I doubt Michael Savage believes half the bull$hit he spews, but I guess he has to do it to pay the bills.

Oh, I think he believes enough of it to get him fired:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtrpHjD2is

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Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:40 am

Does anyone else here besides me realize that all of these guys are performers not journalists? Their entire goal is to get a rise out of you, which seems to be working. Apparently, acting like a jackass on TV is a pretty good schtick.

Even if you insist on taking these guys seriously they are extremists. Politicians don't give a crap about people like this or their followers.
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:57 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 4):
Sometimes I doubt Michael Savage believes half the bull$hit he spews, but I guess he has to do it to pay the bills.

I hate to say it, because I want to believe no one could be as insane as he is, but he probably DOES believe all that shit.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Politicians don't give a crap about people like this or their followers.

...except Rush. Somehow he has become the self-appointed voice of conservatism and for some reason, Republican politicians have latched on... to the point where the Chairman (!) of the GOP apologized to Rush for just saying out loud what everyone knows he is- an entertainer who hosts an incendiary show.
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:32 am

I don't watch FOX because imo it is a complete farce and utterly biased. The only network I really ever watch is ABC, but mostly just go straight to AP or Reuters for news. I have never seen Glenn Beck for more than 2 minutes, but the in the 2 minutes I did see, he was raving about how the Weimar Republic started WWI and somehow that justified something in Iraq. In two minutes he lost any potential respect he had with his complete lack of any form of historical knowledge (the Weimar Republic was formed as a result of WWI.....)

I don't listen to talking heads. George Stephanapolous (sp? my greek isn't great ) is one of the few I will watch. Honestly I haven't seen a decent reporter since Peter Jennings.
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:52 am



Quoting Max550 (Reply 6):
Instead of saying we should do nothing about health care why don't conservatives put out their own ideas on how to fix it?

Because we don't think it is the government's place to get involved in private enterprise. Because we believe in limited government involvement in our lives. Proposing a government "fix" would be completely against everything we believe in.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
My brother lives in Canada and he has to get on a freakin waiting list that's about four months long in order to see a doctor

We had to send my Aunt medication when she got ill with swine flu because they were all out in Calgary.
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:26 am



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 17):

Because we don't think it is the government's place to get involved in private enterprise. Because we believe in limited government involvement in our lives. Proposing a government "fix" would be completely against everything we believe in.

Fair enough. In an ideal world, that would be the best way to run things. But we have serious issues that aren't going to go away and should not be ignored. I'm not 100% in favor of universal health care myself, but something has to be done when so many people are uninsured and susceptible to financial ruin if an accident or major illness occurs.

So whose responsibility is it to do something about that, if not the government's? Yours? No. Theirs? Yes, but if you can't afford insurance, you can't afford insurance. How do we make sure those who need insurance can have it, regardless of ability to pay?
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:12 am



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 17):
Because we don't think it is the government's place to get involved in private enterprise. Because we believe in limited government involvement in our lives. Proposing a government "fix" would be completely against everything we believe in.



Quoting San747 (Reply 18):
Fair enough.

No.

i'm not going to let IAirAllie, or any other conservative get away with that comment.


WHY is it that you accept the *extremely* intimate involvement of "private enterprise" but not government? As in, somehow private enterprise isn't going to screw you over, but government will? Why is this "everything you believe in?" Why believe in that at all?
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:47 am

he may be a tad nutty, but in this case he's got some good points and it would be hard to make a (legitimate) case that he doesn't care for his country. in any case his nuttiness makes him entertaining, which has made him millions of dollars. if that's what personifies 'evil' and 'insanity' in the united states today, then we've lost our way.  Smile
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:50 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
WHY is it that you accept the *extremely* intimate involvement of "private enterprise" but not government?

Because that is what a free market is? Getting screwed by a company is capitalism. Getting screwed by the government is Communism.
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:47 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
Getting screwed by a company is capitalism. Getting screwed by the government is Communism.

This has to be one of the best posts here ever!  champagne 
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:07 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):


Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
Getting screwed by a company is capitalism. Getting screwed by the government is Communism.

This has to be one of the best posts here ever!   

So then, does that remark validate that its alright for the private sector to do the screwing but not the government?
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:48 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
Because that is what a free market is?

So, free market for the sake of free market? Explain how it is good in this context.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
Getting screwed by a company is capitalism. Getting screwed by the government is Communism.

BMI, those are just labels, they are not explanations. (And the labels are wrong at that.)

I'm not even saying I disagree with you, but can you explain why government involvement is against everything you believe in, without resorting to labels? Just the substance.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:09 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
So, free market for the sake of free market? Explain how it is good in this context



Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
I'm not even saying I disagree with you, but can you explain why government involvement is against everything you believe in, without resorting to labels? Just the substance.

I think the difference is that in a free market, you are still free to change your provider if he screws you, you can convince your company and friends to go elsewhere. There may be issues of collusion but anti-trust regulation has been around for a long time and might just need some fine-tuning. Reasonable regulation is also possible to even out the kinks.

But when you give everything to the government, you no longer have any choice in the matter. If the federal government denies you a medical procedure, what can you do? There is a reason why (for example) the 5-year survival rate for prostate cancer in the US is nearly 100% while in the UK, with the National Health Service, the same disease is survivable only 77% of the time. After 10 years the rates are 91% in the US and 51% in the UK. Why is that, do you reckon?

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co...Cancer_Survival_Rates.asp?rnav=cri

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=861

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Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:11 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 25):
But when you give everything to the government, you no longer have any choice in the matter.

True in the UK because the NHS is purely government run and operated. Also remember they have a two-tier system there so of the government rejects your claim you have the option if you have the $$ to get private care in the UK.

Canada does not run like that in that the government has no say in which doctor I choose to see or what hospital I go to. They are there to pay a set amount to doctors, clinics, and hospitals for a person's care, just like an insurance company would but the difference is that they are responsible to us and not their shareholders. This is how the single payer system works.

The issues in Canada are not so much with the quality of care but it is with the fact that we are like most people and are not pleased with having to pay the towards what the system actually costs and because of that there are bottlenecks for non-life threatening conditions.

But if you ever get cancer, heart disease etc. as a Canadian you are getting the treatment tomorrow at no extra cost to you. It is very rare that someone in this situation will have to wait but it can happen its just not as common as US conservative media will let you believe.
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:55 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 25):
There is a reason why (for example) the 5-year survival rate for prostate cancer in the US is nearly 100% while in the UK, with the National Health Service, the same disease is survivable only 77% of the time. After 10 years the rates are 91% in the US and 51% in the UK. Why is that, do you reckon?

Well, it's easy to cherry pick failures in one system, but why assume that we will repeat things here that fail elsewhere? Because we are getting such a late start compared to the rest of the industrialized world when it comes to universal health care, we can examine what works well in other systems, and emulate that, and examine what fails in other systems, and not repeat that here.

Can you imagine if the Wright Brothers, after seeing everyone else's failed attempts at flight said "clearly flight cannot be done" instead of "let's overcome others' failures?"
 
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Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
we can examine what works well in other systems, and emulate that, and examine what fails in other systems, and not repeat that here.

You are making the assumption that the designers of our system actually want to provide high quality health care to all at a reasonable and fair cost. I am not convinced this is the case. I think this is a scaled up version of Welfare - create a class of people dependant on the government's generosity, and then at each election cycle ensure the votes of those people by pointing at the other party saying, "we are your friends, they want to take stuff away from you, vote for us." They want to get EVERYONE dependant on the government. I think we are talking about power-hungry people.

There is another possibility as well. If Obama is a believer in the writings of those people who founded his "Community Organizing" movement in the 60s, we are in for even bigger trouble, because they specifically wrote about bringing about "Justice" and "Change" by bankrupting the system. Now I know that that sounds like conspiracy theory, but with all the massive spending he is pushing for in spite of a serious recession, if he did in fact believe it, then he would not act any different, would he?
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):
You are making the assumption that the designers of our system actually want to provide high quality health care to all at a reasonable and fair cost. I am not convinced this is the case. I think this is a scaled up version of Welfare - create a class of people dependant on the government's generosity, and then at each election cycle ensure the votes of those people by pointing at the other party saying, "we are your friends, they want to take stuff away from you, vote for us." They want to get EVERYONE dependant on the government. I think we are talking about power-hungry people.

So, your opposition is entirely based on fear? Fear that some Orwellian result is the goal? I mean, look how you start off: you assume this thing is to be designed with some sort of controlling, malevolent intent. That's kind of tinfoilish, isn't it?
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:42 pm

Glenn Beck is perfectly eloquent, he just has really off ideas, so that is why he seems like a total idiot. Actually he's smart, it's just his politics make you go wait a minute, am I getting stupider just listening to this man? And actually you are.

Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 1):
Glenn Beck is crazy and has always been that way, t

His audience is crazy and has always been that way. Probably that audience should just be ignored, but he makes money entertaining them.
 
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Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 23):
So then, does that remark validate that its alright for the private sector to do the screwing but not the government?

Not in itself. But the private sector has incentive to not screw you. If one business does, then I can start my own business that screws people less and I would cut into the first business.

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
BMI, those are just labels, they are not explanations.

They are just labels, and there are thousands of variations in between.

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
I'm not even saying I disagree with you, but can you explain why government involvement is against everything you believe in, without resorting to labels? Just the substance.

There are certain things that only the government can do. I can't shop around for what military I want to protect me. But for healthcare, I want to pick what I need. I want to see competition among providers and insurers to give the best service at the best price that fits what I want, not just a government blueprint of what they think I need and what I should pay for it.
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Quoting D L X (Reply 30):
So, your opposition is entirely based on fear? Fear that some Orwellian result is the goal? I mean, look how you start off: you assume this thing is to be designed with some sort of controlling, malevolent intent. That's kind of tinfoilish, isn't it?

You look at the evidence, and you must question the motivations, as I am doing. You seem to be the one blindly assuming that they are benevolent, in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Does it make sense to you that if we have spent too much in the past, the solution is to spend even faster? Does it make sense to you that in order to make health care more affodable, you hand it over to the government - an entity famous for overpaying for stuff and tremendous waste? Does it make sense to you to impose punative restrictions and taxes on our own people and companies which will do nothing to reduce global warming (even assuming it exists) and export even more jobs to India and China who refuse to play by the same rules? Don't you think that these are things that must be questioned closely?
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Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:06 pm

So O'Reilly finally aired a piece on it last evening.

I think O'Reilly tries to be fair and balanced, but I may have missed the part where he should have called Beck a pinhead and rightfully so. I really dont know as I was doing dishes and couldnt hear. Did I miss it?
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RE: Glenn Beck Is Getting Worse.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:44 pm



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 33):
I think O'Reilly tries to be fair and balanced, but I may have missed the part where he should have called Beck a pinhead and rightfully so.

I saw that. Beck completely lost it on this phone call from a woman on his radio show. I agree with Beck that she was a complete moron who obviously didn't know what she was talking about, but he shouldn't have gone off like that.
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RE: Glenn Beck Is Getting Worse.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:21 pm



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 33):
I think O'Reilly tries to be fair and balanced

I don't think so. Back during the Katrina mess he ripped Canada mercilessly for not helping out in the relief effort. He did it while a couple of naval ships were en-route from Halifax to New Orleans, loaded with all manner of medical and other supplies. And while a couple of search and rescue teams from Vancouver were on the ground in New Orleans.

He was called on it -- and offered no apology, no retraction, nothing. None of these guys, Beck included, come close to being "fair and balanced." If they did, no one would listen to them and their ratings would plummet.
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RE: Glenn Beck Is Getting Worse.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:23 pm



Quoting Arrow (Reply 35):
He was called on it -- and offered no apology, no retraction, nothing. None of these guys, Beck included, come close to being "fair and balanced." If they did, no one would listen to them and their ratings would plummet.

Exactly. They aren't fair and they don't have to be since they are entertainers. They talk about news, but don't report news. They are no more a part of the press than the cast members of Saturday Night Live.
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