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Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:21 pm

Sounds like a case for Jessica Fletcher, or maybe not! The husband did it.

Murder on the High Seas

SAN DIEGO - The FBI says it's a case of murder on the high seas. A cruise to Cabo San Lucas turns deadly for a Los Angeles County woman just days after her 55th Birthday. Her husband Robert McGill is now charged with Shirley McGill's murder.

The 2,052-passenger Carnival Elation was on the last leg of a five-day trip to Cabo San Lucas on Tuesday when members of the ship's crew responded to a domestic dispute in the couple's cabin and found the body of Shirley McGill, 55, of the Los Angeles County city of Winnetka.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...-Diego/SAM7sdl55ESTrd3lnA6B0g.cspx

I dont know if the bit about him going casually to Dinner afterwards is true though. I know a good few Anetters take cruise vacations , does anyone know people who were onboard?
 
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:24 pm

Woah, seems to me a pretty stupid thing to do - a bit like murdering someone on a plane - it is very hard to escape!

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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:07 pm

How is this handled legally? Is it a US registered ship? Most of them aren't, and the ship was most likely in Mexican waters at the time. Just wondering what happens in instances like this?

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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:13 pm



Quoting Ual747 (Reply 2):
How is this handled legally? Is it a US registered ship? Most of them aren't, and the ship was most likely in Mexican waters at the time. Just wondering what happens in instances like this?

I remember watching something about this on tv a while back. I honestly cannot remember how they deal with it. Something is telling me a law was passed so they could be tried for murder. Hopefully someone knows!
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:17 am

Why would you kill her in the room? Seems to me it was just a fit of rage. A smart man would've made up with her then took her to the rear of the ship and try to throw her overboard.
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:02 am

If you read the affidavit attached to the article, it appears there is a special law that makes the ship US territory no matter where it is, so he would be tried under US law.

He is a bit of a Prat though aint he.
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:11 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 4):
Seems to me it was just a fit of rage. A smart man would've made up with her then took her to the rear of the ship and try to throw her overboard.

There are video cameras at the back of most ships. So they would have caught it. They use this for when people go overboard to see if it was accident or suicide etc..

There was another issue a few years back where the same thing happened and the Guy threw his Wife over the Balcony. The only trace was a small amount of blood on the canopy below. He made up some story about a gang onboard.
 
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:17 pm

Geez. I sailed on the Carnival Elation back in June 2005, and a lady jumped off the side of the ship in the middle of the night, and was never found. Bad luck on this ship?  confused 
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:57 am



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 7):
Geez. I sailed on the Carnival Elation back in June 2005, and a lady jumped off the side of the ship in

There are more incidents than people think on all ships at sea.

Deaths Aboard - Overboard Cruise Ships

Passenger And Crew Deaths On Cruise Ships


http://www.cruisebruise.com/cruise_ship_deaths.html

One thing for sure is that Carnival have had their fair share from that list !
 
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:40 pm

When one considers that there may be 1000's on a large modern pax cruise ship, you are bound to have a cross-section of people who may sexually assult, kill or die over the course of time. Worse, is that such incidents and deaths probably happen more often than is reported publically to hold down the public relations issues. Just because you are on a ship does it mean leaving the tendancy to do violent acts at the dock. Sometimes you have passangers and crew members who have mental health problems, tendicies to do violent acts or crimes of opportunity as to pax often involving alcohol consumption.
I do hope their is a good investigation, possibly including the FBI, and if this man killed this woman as found by a trial or a guilty plea, that he faces a life jail term.
 
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:07 pm

Date: May 13, 2006
Cause:
Location: At Sea Norway
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Cruise Line: Cunard
Ship: Queen Mary 2


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A murder!

http://www.cruisebruise.com/Joel_Jagatin_Tagaan.html

oooohhhhh!

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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:59 pm

A bit more info ::

The man arrested for killing his wife on a Carnival cruise ship told FBI investigators he murdered her "in the bathroom of their cabin with his bare hands," according to an AP report citing court documents released on Friday.
 
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:23 am

Date: June 24, 2005
Cause: Overboard
Location: Off East Coast Of Mexico
Passenger: 40yr old Female Passenger
Cruise Line: Carnival Cruise Line
Ship: Elation

Day 1: Depart Galveston
Day 2: Out at sea
Day 3: Progreso, Merida
Day 4: Cozumel
Day 5: Belize
Day 6: Out at sea
Day 7: Out at sea
Day 8: Arrive Galveston

She jumped off in the early morning hours of Day 6.

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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:11 am

The Carnival line gets some of the more "low-brow" types of society and it doesn't surprise me that this happened. The cheaper the cruise (and Carnival is one of the cheapest, if not the most cheap), the more chance of these types of "scummy" people are going to be on board.
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:44 am

I forget what serial killer it was but he claimed to have killed a threw a woman off the deck of the Alaska Marine Highway Ferry Taku back in the 1970's. But nobody reported it at the time, and he only admited it after being put on death row a couple decades later so nobody knows if it was true or not.

But when I heard it was a Carnival Ship my first thought went to Mr. Garrison in the first season of South Park, "I guess I am not the only on who wants to kill Kathy Lee Gifford"
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RE: Murder Onboard Carnival Cruise Ship

Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:51 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
I do hope their is a good investigation, possibly including the FBI



Well does not look like it will need much of an investigation. But the FBI would be the law enforcement agency involved since it was on a ship in International waters and one which is involved in interstate travel. Only other agencies I could imagine taking part would be NCIS and USCGIS.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
The man arrested for killing his wife on a Carnival cruise ship told FBI investigators he murdered her "in the bathroom of their cabin with his bare hands,"

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