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Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:37 pm

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090719/ap_on_hi_te/us_car_cameras


Ok, let me get this straight one of the reasons the left hated GWB and wanted him gone is he wiretapped random people in an effort to try to catch some terrorist activity. Now in SF we want to run everyone's license plate to look for criminal activity. HMMMMM in fact the woman who runs the town was quoted.

"As long as you don't arrive in a stolen vehicle or go on a crime spree while you're here, your anonymity will be preserved," said Town Manager Peggy Curran. "We don't care who you are and we don't know who you are."

Which is basically what I said in the threads here that attacked the GOP for allowing Bush to listen in on phone calls.

Got to love the DNC, they are just so damn consistent.

As for this story coming out of SF, I am ALL FOR IT. Remember what the police alway say, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. When they do things that you deem an intrusion. Just shouldn't change when you are trying to get someone elected.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:52 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Ok, let me get this straight one of the reasons the left hated GWB and wanted him gone is he wiretapped random people in an effort to try to catch some terrorist activity. Now in SF we want to run everyone's license plate to look for criminal activity. HMMMMM in fact the woman who runs the town was quoted.

It's not San Francisco, it's Tiburon, a dinky little city of 9000 in Marin County. And not all Californians are Democrats, or civil libertarians. Not only that, but your article describes quite a bit of local opposition to the plan.

This story has nothing to do with hypocrisy, the Democrats, or GWB.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:04 pm

What?
You don't like Your Freedom of Speech?
This is America, why the heck should some retard in Washington (George) get to listen to our calls.. and who's to say that's all he can do?
What's to say he can't read our internet traffic, email's, text's, picture messages, see the contents on your iPod!

Look, I'm not some conspiracy theorist, I'm just a concerned citizen.
I just don't believe in Big Government. I don't believe that this wiretapping is protecting me at all. And it isn't.

As for the Gov't running your plates, stand up for what's right.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:15 pm

A license plate is clearly visible to every member of the public. I don't give a damn if you walk up to my driveway and drool over my license plate (just wipe it when you're done). It's nice and shiny, and you can read it from 100 feet away! The only people who experiment with methods to keep a license plate private are those who use coatings/special covers to avoid red light cameras.

When I call some people, I go into an empty corner of the house for a reason. I don't want anyone hearing what I have to say. I am obviously trying to maintain some privacy because I am transmitting personal information about my life and plans to others, and they will probably be doing the same thing as well. If I catch you standing outside the door listening in, you'd better have a good reason for being a nosy jackass.

There is a difference. I realize that there may be no expectation of privacy, but a license plate and a phone call cannot be properly compared. However, that does not excuse what neither the Feds nor this town is doing. I hope the opposition prevails in this town!

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:22 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
It's not San Francisco, it's Tiburon, a dinky little city of 9000 in Marin County

Isn't Marin county Liberal? I would Imagine this dinky llittle city is the same.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
Not only that, but your article describes quite a bit of local opposition to the plan.

From whom? Residents or politicians?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
This story has nothing to do with hypocrisy, the Democrats, or GWB

Yea the election is over so I guess we can abandon the invastion of privacy rhetoric now.

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 2):
I just don't believe in Big Government. I don't believe that this wiretapping is protecting me at all. And it isn't.

Well actually it is protecting you to a certain extent as is running of plates.

Down the road somewhere you will catch a bad guy. It's law of averages.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:19 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):

Got to love the DNC, they are just so damn consistent.

It's not San Francisco. It's Tiburon, which happens to be a relatively conservative town full of very wealthy people.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:39 pm

You know what, Nick - right here on your native Long Island, both county police departments (as well as a number of local departments) have automatic license plate readers on a number of patrol cars. They are the small, soda-can shaped objects, usually on the rear portion of the roof or trunk lid. They can scan for stolen vehicles, or things like expired registration/insurance. Remember - driving a car isn't a right, it's a prividge.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:02 pm

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 6):
You know what, Nick - right here on your native Long Island, both county police departments (as well as a number of local departments) have automatic license plate readers on a number of patrol cars. They are the small, soda-can shaped objects, usually on the rear portion of the roof or trunk lid. They can scan for stolen vehicles, or things like expired registration/insurance. Remember - driving a car isn't a right, it's a prividge.

My dear John I know this and agree with it. If you took the time to actually read what I wrote instead of rushing to type you would have read the fact that I am for this. In fact just look for the capital letters up top in my original post. Here I will make it easier for you. This happens when you troll and don't read.

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
As for this story coming out of SF, I am ALL FOR IT. Remember what the police alway say, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. When they do things that you deem an intrusion. Just shouldn't change when you are trying to get someone elected.

The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town. I am all for toll booths that run regis for traffic infractions, cops that run plates for the same purpose, hell I don't care if you listen to my phone calls but see I am consistent. I hold to my beliefs. I don't abandon them at election time as means to an end. Then turn around and say hey we want to invade your privacy just in case your a criminal wanting to enter my town.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:11 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):

The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town. I am all for toll booths that run regis for traffic infractions, cops that run plates for the same purpose, hell I don't care if you listen to my phone calls but see I am consistent. I hold to my beliefs. I don't abandon them at election time as means to an end. Then turn around and say hey we want to invade your privacy just in case your a criminal wanting to enter my town.

I think most of us who were against illegal wiretapping were against it because a phone conversation is assumed to be private by the participants. My license plate is public.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:15 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
My license plate is public.

True but is the all the info garnered from it public as well?
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:21 pm

This is the key item:

Quoting N867DA (Reply 3):
A license plate is clearly visible to every member of the public.

If it's in the public space then I am all for utilizing technologies. In fact I can't wait for automatic license readers to be installed on on police cars and just automatically check the cars around them.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town.

They were screening ALL calls for key words and banking them for analysis and follow up. It wasn't just random. If it was is suspect that they could have gone to a FISA court and gotten permission to randomly screen calls, just like police are allowed to set up "drunk driver" check points and screen drivers.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:22 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town. I am all for toll booths that run regis for traffic infractions, cops that run plates for the same purpose, hell I don't care if you listen to my phone calls but see I am consistent. I hold to my beliefs. I don't abandon them at election time as means to an end. Then turn around and say hey we want to invade your privacy just in case your a criminal wanting to enter my town.

I don't think it said anything about running every plate. It said that if a crime was committed the plates would be run to check for criminal activity. They aren't preventing anyone from entering the town.
 
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:26 pm

So they're gonna spend all that money, which they probably don't have, (we all know California is broke) in order to protect rich people stuff when they probably don't care anyway? Well neither do I, as long as the city raises the taxes on the rich and not mine order to pay for it, it's fine.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
If you took the time to actually read what I wrote instead of rushing to type you would have read the fact that I am for this. In fact just look for the capital letters up top in my original post. Here I will make it easier for you. This happens when you troll and don't read.

Ironic you should say that, since you seem to have said the following:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
yet here is a liberal town

without reading a prior post that refuted that. Let me make it easier for you:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
It's not San Francisco. It's Tiburon, which happens to be a relatively conservative town full of very wealthy people. {emphasis mine}

So don't try and pin this on liberals.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
is the all the info garnered from it public as well?

The police already have all the information a license plate could provide. On the other hand, the police do not have records of the content of my phone conversations, and they can't get that content without a warrant from a judge. If they don't have that warrant, I don't want them listening in.

Still, while I don't think that this is in the same league as warrantless wiretapping, I do think it's a stupid idea.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
True but is the all the info garnered from it public as well?

Unless I'm mistaken, police can already run your plates.

What, exactly, are they gaining here that they don't already have access to?

Not to mention, in the article, it says:

"and the data will not be public record — no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."

So, no, it's not public.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:47 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 10):
They were screening ALL calls for key words and banking them for analysis and follow up. It wasn't just random. If it was is suspect that they could have gone to a FISA court and gotten permission to randomly screen calls, just like police are allowed to set up "drunk driver" check points and screen drivers.

Either way I agree with it.

Quoting Max550 (Reply 11):
I don't think it said anything about running every plate

It sure did, read the article again.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
So don't try and pin this on liberals.

Ok I get it so just because a user here says it it's true? Well I don't rely on hearsay. I use facts and here is a list of Tiburon residents' political contributions and wouldn't you know it I see a ton of Democratic National Committee and Barbara Boxer popping up!

http://www.city-data.com/elec2/08/elec-TIBURON-CA-08.html

Your argument has no merit.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 14):
Unless I'm mistaken, police can already run your plates.

Yea if they pull you over. Here they want to do it to every car.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:54 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
here is a list of Tiburon residents' political contributions and wouldn't you know it I see a ton of Democratic National Committee and Barbara Boxer popping up!

I stand corrected.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Yea if they pull you over. Here they want to do it to every car.

They don't have to pull you over to do it. What this is is basically the same thing as having the thousands of police officers it would take to follow every car into the town, run their plate, and then decide whether to pull them over or not. Not the same as warrantless wiretapping. Still stupid, though.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:23 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Ok I get it so just because a user here says it it's true? Well I don't rely on hearsay. I use facts

To be fair, that's the first time in the thread you backed up your assumption that Tiburon was a Democratic-leaning town.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Yea if they pull you over. Here they want to do it to every car.

So? It's still not data they didn't have access to before.

And what about the rest of my post:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 14):
Not to mention, in the article, it says:

"and the data will not be public record — no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."

So, no, it's not public.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:11 pm



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
To be fair, that's the first time in the thread you backed up your assumption that Tiburon was a Democratic-leaning town.

Well to not waste time I usually don't try to dig up info on something that is brutally obvious but I keep forgetting that many here use tactics such as swearing something is one way when then know it's the other when their argument has fallen apart.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
And what about the rest of my post:

What does that have to do with anything? Did Bush want to make any info from wiretapping public? No he just wanted to prevent another terrorist attack.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:16 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Well to not waste time I usually don't try to dig up info on something that is brutally obvious but I keep forgetting that many here use tactics such as swearing something is one way when then know it's the other when their argument has fallen apart.

Perhaps it was obvious to you. Wasn't to me. Probably wasn't to anyone who isn't intimately familiar with Tiburon, CA.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
What does that have to do with anything? Did Bush want to make any info from wiretapping public? No he just wanted to prevent another terrorist attack.

It has to do with the question you asked:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
My license plate is public.

True but is the all the info garnered from it public as well?

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:17 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Did Bush want to make any info from wiretapping public? No he just wanted to prevent another terrorist attack.

It's a matter of whether the information was in the hands of the authorities in the first place or not. License plate-related information is - giving it is part of the vehicle registration process. The content of phone conversations is not.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:19 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):

It sure did, read the article again.

Where? It says the plates will only be run if there is a crime to solve. If there's no crime to solve it just stores the plate numbers for 30-60 days.

This is nothing like warrant less wiretapping because police don't need a warrant to access the information about your license plate, they can pull it up anytime for any reason.
 
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:43 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Well to not waste time I usually don't try to dig up info on something that is brutally obvious but I keep forgetting that many here use tactics such as swearing something is one way when then know it's the other when their argument has fallen apart.

Not to getting into a pissing match with you, but you were intentionally deceptive in your post.

You wanted it to sound like this was San Fransisco and a plank of the DNC.

The article was datelined Tiburon and it states that at least 5 additional times.

It is also not a "waste of time" to source your work even if the author thinks it is "Brutally Obvious".

One thing you have yet to provide: The party affiliations of the Tiburon Town council. I have looked and can not find it. Once you have done than your thesis will hold water. Without that, it is really nothing more than an empty attack on Liberals and makes you look very bitter.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:00 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
The party affiliations of the Tiburon Town council

Oh I am sure they are GOP  sarcastic 

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
Without that, it is really nothing more than an empty attack on Liberals and makes you look very bitter.

Hardly, the bitter ones are the those who cried "no wiretapping" "invasion of privacy" in one breath in Nov 08' and now in 09' are doing the exact same thing. It's laughable and it's par for the course for the left who will do anything to grab power.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
You wanted it to sound like this was San Fransisco and a plank of the DNC.

Well judging by those donations it sure seems the population is the same.

Quoting Max550 (Reply 21):
Where? It says the plates will only be run if there is a crime to solve. If there's no crime to solve it just stores the plate numbers for 30-60 days.

What does it matter the plates are recorded and the info is there.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:08 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Oh I am sure they are GOP

You never know! Many liberal counties have pockets of strong conservative areas.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Well judging by those donations it sure seems the population is the same

On the list you provided there were also plenty of GOP donations.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
It's laughable and it's par for the course for the left who will do anything to grab power.

Grab power from whom? There has been no power grab, we had an election and the convervatives were tossed out.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Hardly, the bitter ones are the those who cried "no wiretapping" "invasion of privacy"

It has been pointed out many times that wiretapping and your auto plates are two very different itmes.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:15 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Hardly, the bitter ones are the those who cried "no wiretapping" "invasion of privacy" in one breath in Nov 08' and now in 09' are doing the exact same thing.

You've yet to provide a decent argument as to why this is the same thing as wiretapping.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
It's laughable and it's par for the course for the left who will do anything to grab power.

Because the GOP would never do anything at all to seize power.  Yeah sure

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:05 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
What does it matter the plates are recorded and the info is there.

You told me the article says they do run the plates and I should re-read it. I re-read it, couldn't find where it said the plates would be run and I asked you where it said that. I was just pointing out an inaccuracy in a post.

I did notice that the town managers statement doesn't add up with the rest of the article though, since she mentions arriving in a stolen car. Unless the tags are being run they wouldn't know if you arrive in a stolen car.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Hardly, the bitter ones are the those who cried "no wiretapping" "invasion of privacy" in one breath in Nov 08' and now in 09' are doing the exact same thing. It's laughable and it's par for the course for the left who will do anything to grab power.

How is this exactly the same thing? Please explain how using cameras to record license plates is the same as listening to personal phone calls without a warrant.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:24 pm

This must be about the stupidest thread of all time.

Apparently logic is not the OP's strongsuit. I mean, the thought is that anything that happens in CA that Republicans might be keen on makes all of CA hypocritical?

Nothing but trolling to get a good Right-Left argument going. Embellishing and twisting a story in a sorry attempt to spark outrage.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:54 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 24):
On the list you provided there were also plenty of GOP donations.

You kidding? The ratio of DNC and Boxer donations comapred to GOP was very lopsided come on.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 24):
It has been pointed out many times that wiretapping and your auto plates are two very different itmes.



Quoting Mir (Reply 25):
You've yet to provide a decent argument as to why this is the same thing as wiretapping.

Of course they are the same. Listening in or doing a background check of a person simply because your looking for wrongdoing without that person doing anything wrong or knowing is exactly that. Your going to try to spin it because one person is listening to their phone conversations and the other is just taking a pic of their plate? Man your reaching.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:58 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28):
You kidding? The ratio of DNC and Boxer donations comapred to GOP was very lopsided come on.

No, I'm not kidding. There were plenty of GOP donations on the list you provided. I'm not sure what your point is?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28):
Of course they are the same.

Uh, ok.

My private conversations at home vs. my auto plate in public the same?  no   no   no 
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:00 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 26):
How is this exactly the same thing? Please explain how using cameras to record license plates is the same as listening to personal phone calls without a warrant.
Is it legal for me to record your license plate number?
Is it legal for me to record your phone calls?

Well, let's try this.

We are talking California and the 9th-"Circus" Court so please, keep in mind, this could possibly happen.

Say a wife who suspects her husband is cheating on her with someone in this wonderful town of Tiburon.

Say her lawyer petitions the city for records of the license plates captured to see if the husband was in the town on certain dates and times.

It would be appealed up to, and I think the 9th-"Circus" would grant this request, and it very well could.

Then, these cameras could be used to capture someone who really wasn't "committing" a crime.

Anyway.. that's the type of stuff this leads to and very much can be related to phone tapping.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:24 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):
Say a wife who suspects her husband is cheating on her with someone in this wonderful town of Tiburon.

Read the posted link:

"For instance, they said the system will not be used for traffic enforcement, and the data will not be public record — no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:28 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28):
Your going to try to spin it because one person is listening to their phone conversations and the other is just taking a pic of their plate?

That's not spin. That is a completely valid (and quite apparent) difference.

One more time:

You cannot tap someone's phone. It's illegal.

You can look at someone's license plate. It's legal.

If you honestly believe they're the same, then I assume you'd have no problem with me (or anyone else) listening in on your phone conversations.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):

OK. So if it happened in somewhere outside the 9th Circuit, then we'd all happily admit there is very little similarity to phone-tapping?

You can go on about the what-ifs till you're blue in the face.


Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 31):

Read the posted link:

"For instance, they said the system will not be used for traffic enforcement, and the data will not be public record — no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."


I wouldn't bother. I posted that way up in an earlier post, and still haven't gotten a response.

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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:32 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 31):
"For instance, they said the system will not be used for traffic enforcement, and the data will not be public record --- no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."

Really. And in the USA private property can't be taken and given to another private citizen. Yea, that one worked out well too.

We are talking about the court system, where we all know Sonia Sotomayor never said anything about courts making laws, well, at least anywhere where a recorder that she KNOWS is running..

You people buying this crap?
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:34 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):

NIKV69 says; "Now in SF we want to run everyone's license plate.......
......As for this story coming out of SF


Yes the article is about Tiburon which is about 15 miles north of San Francisco.

Then NIKV69 has the nerve to tell Mir that he has no "merit"


Umm, NIKV69, your argument has no merit because you didn't even read the article you posted.  Yeah sure
Or you have a poor knowledge of geography.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
It's not San Francisco. It's Tiburon, which happens to be a relatively conservative town full of very wealthy people.

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Anyhow, like every major metropolitan area, there is always a few exclusive filthy rich towns that are anal retentive and have restrictive laws and are a bit paranoid about outsiders. Tiburon's stupid proposed law is hardly reflective of the entire state of California.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:41 pm

This ALPR technology is not new. It has been around for a decade, just finally getting wide use.

The local Police where I live use it, installed in both meter maid vehicles(they can track if a car has been moved or not), and many of the regular patrol cars.

The technology helps with two things -- 1) instead of the officer manually running license plates the system does it automatically as they drive along, or in a fixed post set up like Tiburon uses, 2) it creates a recordable database of where(a GPS coordinate) and when a license plate was observed. This info can be useful in later investigations from everything tracking a stolen car to helping provide the critical clue to solve a serious crime.

To me it really comes down to the level of privacy you are due when one is out and about in the public. I dont see much wrong with this technology, as I don't expect such privacy when I am out driving around. Anyone including the police would be free to log my plate as they wish, just the technology does it so much more efficiently.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:01 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 3):
The only people who experiment with methods to keep a license plate private are those who use coatings/special covers to avoid red light cameras.

You'll see this A LOT in Arizona, especially the PHX metro areas. The cops would tell you it is illegal to have but in reality, it really isn't. There is no law about evading the red light cameras that I know of......yet....at least when I was living in the area for the 5 years I was there.
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:40 am



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):
Well, let's try this.

We are talking California and the 9th-"Circus" Court so please, keep in mind, this could possibly happen.

Say a wife who suspects her husband is cheating on her with someone in this wonderful town of Tiburon.

Say her lawyer petitions the city for records of the license plates captured to see if the husband was in the town on certain dates and times.

It would be appealed up to, and I think the 9th-"Circus" would grant this request, and it very well could.

Then, these cameras could be used to capture someone who really wasn't "committing" a crime.

Anyway.. that's the type of stuff this leads to and very much can be related to phone tapping.

Why would it be in federal court?
How is that related to phone tapping in any way?
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RE: Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California

Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:27 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Remember what the police alway say, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.

Yeah, that's what the cop playing the "good guy" always says...  Wink

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
To me it really comes down to the level of privacy you are due when one is out and about in the public.

I don't think this is no longer a matter of right/left dispute as the government at all levels, regardless of party affiliation and private companies with all their new toys and gadgets have temptations to make that level of privacy lower and lower. Two examples from my hometown, btw governed by a center-right coalition:
The city's Public Transport Co. used to have old school punch machines on the buses/trolleybuses where you just punched your paper ticket for a single ride or you bought a monthly/yearly pass in a vending machine and that was it.
Now you can still buy the "old school" paper ticket, but if want the monthly pass you have to buy a thing called CityCard, which is a card with a chip where some of your personal data is stored and you can "charge" the card by purchasing the monthly/pass. At certain times of the day (evening and weekends) you have to board the bus through the front door only and swipe the card. So they gather information or at least have the tools to do so about how often and where you travel.
Another example was their attempt to outsource speed cameras within city limits to a private company. It had nothing to do with safety as with a few rare exceptions the cameras were to be located on places where people were likely to speed not where speeding was dangerous such as around schools, hospitals, residential areas. Although it was basically an effort to turn the city roads into a cash cow rather than an attempt to infringe one's privacy the court banned it on the grounds that it is unacceptable to outsource execution of public authority to a private entity.
Third example. There is a talk about replacing the good ol' highway sticker with an electronic one. The government claims they will be anonymous. But for how long? How long until it will be tied to a car registration and "someone" will gather data for whatever purpose about your movement as you pass the tollgates.
We can go on and on talking about credit cards, mobile phones, web browsing... The truth is that not even Goerge Orwell could imagine in his wildest dreams what sort of Big Brother advancement in technology creates and what possibilities for abuse it opens.

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