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Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:59 pm

Thoughts?

I think he did his time in prison and want to see him under center by middle October as a starter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534970,00.html
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:06 pm

Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL. Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore. I have lost all faith in Goodell.

What a joke!  no 

But then again, who would want to sign Vick and his baggage that comes with him? I don't think anyone (except for the Felon-led Raiders team) would want to sign him.

Please, Seattle....do NOT sign this dude! I'd take Seneca Wallace over Michael "Convicted Dogfighter" Vick any day!
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:09 pm



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL

Thats a dam shame.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:13 pm

He's going to do all sorts of PSAs for PETA and served hard time in prison for killing dogs; not humans.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
I have lost all faith in Goodell.

Goodell is the best commish, by far in any league, in the last 20 yrs. He's not judge, jury, or advocate; he's the NFL top dog.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:13 pm



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL. Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore. I have lost all faith in Goodell.

To be honest he has done his time. He says he is sorry. If it is true then perhaps he should be allowed back. Goodell and the NFL have leveled a 5 week suspension which is to make a statement to Vick. Vick already had 32 week suspension leveled by the US penal system

Stallworth will be allowed back and he killed a person with mansluaghter.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:14 pm



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
I think he did his time in prison and want to see him under center by middle October as a starter.

Fair enough, let the man have a chance to do right after serving his time. To hell with the witch-hunters!
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:14 pm

Finally. This guy has already served his time in prison and deserves to be reinstated. He's lost a lot of money and others have done worst and have not served as bad a sentence. Remember Pac man jones? He caused three people to get shot, one guy pralyzed from the shoulders down and punched a stripper in the face. Goodell slapped him on the wrist because no one was protesting he pretended not to give a damn. But because of all these animal lovers, Goodell has to go tough on Vick. I think itt's a Fair reinstatement, and I don't see a problem with it. Oh an BTW, he is already reinstated, this for all you people who claimed he would NEVER make it back in, and I guarantee that an NFL team wil pick him up either this season or next season.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:19 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
Goodell is the best commish, by far in any league, in the last 20 yrs. He's not judge, jury, or advocate; he's the NFL top dog. Yeah sure

He may be...but he says something but acts completely the opposite... in this case: Vick. But that is just one example.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
To be honest he has done his time.

 checkmark  I agree.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
He says he is sorry.

But has he shown any remorse? Is he really, really sorry? Talk is cheap.  sarcastic  Actions speaks louder than words. If he was really sorry, he would have not done the crime in the first place.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
If it is true then perhaps he should be allowed back

This is where I disagree with you. If Vick is allowed back into the NFL for a felonious crime, then maybe we should allow a convicted felon who was once a ramper or a pilot back in the airlines again? Where do we draw the line?

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
Vick already had 32 week suspension leveled by the US penal system

He should have served it all, IMO.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
I guarantee that an NFL team wil pick him up either this season or next season.

Like who? The Raiders who are led by felons??  sarcastic 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:19 pm

"Ron Mexico" is coming back already?

Terrell Owens is saying he would welcome Vick back to the league. I only hope the Bills down not sign him as the thought of TO and Vick on the same team as Marshawn Lynch would put the thug meter into the danger zone

I wonder who the team will be that does take a chance on him
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:27 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
This is where I disagree with you. If Vick is allowed back into the NFL for a felonious crime, then maybe we should allow a convicted felon who was once a ramper or a pilot back in the airlines again? Where do we draw the line

It is a fair disagreement, however in the case of an airline there are MANY peoples lives literally riding on the decison to let a felon back into the fold. In the NFL, there are truly only games one or lost based on this . It is a bit of a different field of view.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:32 pm



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
It is a bit of a different field of view.

But the logic is the same, not just at an airline and in the NFL, but pretty much every profession. Nowadays, employers do criminal background checks on just about any job available out there. Target does criminal background checks, even on folks who clean the bathrooms and collect carts outside the store.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
In the NFL, there are truly only games one or lost based on this .

I hate to say it but it goes beyond wins or losses. Look at the kids who look up to sports stars *cringes* and sees that this guy was convicted for dogfighting. That kid is gonna be like "Well, I can do the same thing as Vick did and can still play football." Is that the kind of example you want your kid to have growing up? (Hell, do you even want your kids to look up to sports figures in general??) They should be looking up to YOU, the parent. Not sports figures.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:36 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL. Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore. I have lost all faith in Goodell.

As much I despise Vick he brings in money and that is what the NFL is about. You can't lose sight of the fact that the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA are businesses and businesss need to make money. To do that you need viewers and fans in seats. Vick brings that because even tho he is a dog killer he is a great player. It's the reason Ray Lewis plays and why Burress will be back too.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:37 pm

A horrible day in the NFL. Why would they allow someone like Michael Vick back? Sports players are also supposed to be role models for children, so what would you say to e.g. a 10 year old NFL fan about the re-instatement of a convicted felon like Michael Vick? How would this be justified towards those kids?

One more reason why I'm becoming more and more a fan of College Football, because that's where the real excitement is and because those amateur players have yet to be corrupted by the money the NFL offers.
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:39 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Vick brings that because even tho he is a dog killer he is a great player.

Wow, a great player? What was his stats for 2007 and 2008? What awards did he earn during those times?  sarcastic 

There are other ways the NFL can generate revenue. The NFL does not revolve around Vick, or any convicted felon who may be re-entering the NFL.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:50 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
he says something but acts completely the opposite

Quote? Source?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
just one example.

What example have you given? Goodell and his small army of NFL lawyers have been very careful with every statement involving Vick since the news broke.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Actions speaks louder than words

He's already doing the deal with PETA.

Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 8):
only hope the Bills

Since KROC can't sign Losman for the Anet fantasy league, I bet he goes after Vick!  duck 
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:01 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
Quote? Source?

You don't need one. It's the obvious. But if you really want one, dig up any article from ESPN or any sports magazine outfit.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
What example have you given?

For starters...Vick. Someone else above then said PacMan Jones..... Read next time.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
He's already doing the deal with PETA.

Not by choice, I don't think.....
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:17 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 15):
dig up any article from ESPN

How about you supply the article since your the one posting information on the thread that isn't true.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb.../nfl/2009-03-25-goodell-vick_N.htm

From SI.com
Michael Vick, in the final stages of serving a 23-month sentence for bankrolling a dogfighting ring, will apparently have to pass another standard before he is cleared to return to the NFL. He must show remorse. That's the opinion of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the Atlanta Falcons quarterback pled guilty and who will eventually rule if Vick applies for reinstatement after his July 20 release date.

From WashingtonPost
"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the personal conduct policy," Goodell wrote Vick in a letter yesterday, according to an NFL statement.

The ESPN, Google News, Sports Illustrated, Washington Post, and CBSports articles all said the same thing. Article dates ranged from 24 July, 2007 to 27 July, 2009.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't go posting false information cause you think Vick doesn't deserve a second chance.
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:25 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
He must show remorse.

But has he really?? He can be a great actor (Hell, anyone can...) but then again, talk is cheap.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
How about you supply the article since your the one posting information on the thread that isn't true.

Nah, I didn't need to. Thanks though!  wave 

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't go posting false information cause you think Vick doesn't deserve a second chance.

You may be right, but at the end of the day, Vick is still a felon. And oh... I never posted false information. All I said that he hasn't shown any remorse. Again, do you really think he is remorseful? I didn't think so....
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:31 pm

Since it seems he'll be fully reinstated, here's hoping it happens...

...and nobody signs him for fear of repeated stupidity.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:34 pm



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 18):
...and nobody signs him for fear of repeated stupidity.

 checkmark  Just like what happened with Barry Bonds.... I predict Vick will become the second coming of Barry Bonds....and much more folks to follow....
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:40 pm

If OJ Simpson could still run the 100 in 10 seconds the NFL would have him back, they'd take anyone regardless of what that person did.
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:01 pm

I have heard so many people today on sports radio saying he should not be suspended because he "served his time". I would agree that he served his time to the US penal system, but he has not served his time to the NFL. He looked Goodell and Blank in the eye and said he was not involved in a dog fighting ring. That is why he is being suspended 5 games.

Personally, I am not sure someone will pick him up. The negative publicity is going to be huge. After 2 years off, he is a backup at best - why all the headaches for a backup?
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:10 pm



Quoting COrocks (Reply 21):
I have heard so many people today on sports radio saying he should not be suspended because he "served his time".

He served his time, yes. But did he really learn anything? IMO, no. He is still a felon.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 21):
Personally, I am not sure someone will pick him up. The negative publicity is going to be huge. After 2 years off, he is a backup at best - why all the headaches for a backup?

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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:17 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Wow, a great player? What was his stats for 2007 and 2008?

Weren't that great but most of his career he was the most exciting QB to watch.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
There are other ways the NFL can generate revenue

Name some outside of ticket sales and TV revenue which is the only way owners and the league make money.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 18):
and nobody signs him for fear of repeated stupidity.

Doubtful, teams need to win and fill seats. Someone will sign him.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Just like what happened with Barry Bonds.... I predict Vick will become the second coming of Barry Bonds....and much more folks to follow....

Screw Bonds what about Manny? LA treated him like hero after the news or roids broke.
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:19 pm

Please, the NFL would reinstate someone who raped and murdered a child if it made them money Yeah sure
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:23 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Name some outside of ticket sales and TV revenue which is the only way owners and the league make money.

Any other than Vick. It is that simple.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Doubtful, teams need to win and fill seats.

Really? Tell that to Barry Bonds.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Screw Bonds what about Manny? LA treated him like hero after the news or roids broke.

Manny will screw up one of these days and then will be ousted. Its not a matter of 'if', it is a matter of 'when'. Mark my words.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:39 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
Any other than Vick. It is that simple.

Thank you for not answering the question but not a surprise since you can't.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
Really? Tell that to Barry Bonds

Oh Lord he was the most self centered player and only cared about himself and his tainted home run record. Which will be broken by A Rod one day and then he will be totally irrevelant in baseball.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
Manny will screw up one of these days and then will be ousted. Its not a matter of 'if', it is a matter of 'when'. Mark my words.

He could care less, he has his rings. The rest is gravy.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:40 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL.

Why? Looks like the penal system worked. Man did crime. Man got caught. Man went to jail. man repaid his debt to society.

Why are you so vengeful?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore.

What are you talking about?
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:46 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
man repaid his debt to society.

Barely.

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
What are you talking about?

In case you forgot, he had a zero tolerance policy when he became the commish.... unfortunately, he backed down on that policy some time later.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 26):
Thank you for not answering the question but not a surprise since you can't.

Actually, I did. There are other players in the NFL that have great talent that helps generate revenue. Vick, alone, does not generate revenue on his own. You cannot generate revenue based on one player. It does not work that way.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
Any other than Vick.

I left out a word. It should have read "Any other player than Vick." My apologies.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:51 pm

He didn't do enough time, in my mind.
And he sure the hell shouldn't be allowed back into the league.
But whatever... Anything goes these days..
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:01 am



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
Please, the NFL would reinstate someone who raped and murdered a child if it made them money

It's statements like this that makes me wonder just how smart people are. I hope to god you're making a joke, which I think you are, because anyone who rapes and murders a child would be in jail for life, probably even death penalty, depending on what state they're in. If any one is surprised by what the NFL did, they really need to pay attention. No one, not Pacman, not Chris Henry, Not even Stallworth (I don't think) has been kicked out of the league. So to say "boy i'm surprised by the NFL" makes no sense whatsoever.

The way I see it. People don't wan't to see anyone return to glory afterr they've broken the law. The man deserves a chance to make his money. ( And don't give me any of that crap about he should go work for 10 bucks an hour like the rest of us, because if he can avoid it you know he won't.) At one point he was the highest paid QB ever, and I think he still has that talent.
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:04 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 30):
No one, not Pacman, not Chris Henry, Not even Stallworth (I don't think) has been kicked out of the league.

PacMan, IIRC, was suspended for a quite awhile by Goodell.

Don't forget, ex-Carolina WR Rae Carruth is no longer in the league after he shot his gf(?) and recieved life in prison without parole. But this happened way before Goodell ever came onto the property.
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:16 am

He's done his time, fair enough...the league has reinstated him, fine....but, i will not be a fan of Vick, ever!! that's for sure. He may not have killed humans but to have been involved in something like dog fighting is sick. I don't think you can just change "like that"....It' freaking disturbing to think a human can do that sort of thing.  twocents 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:17 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 28):
Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
man repaid his debt to society.

Barely.

Barely?

What part of his debt has he not repaid? And what the hell does he owe YOU?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 28):
In case you forgot, he had a zero tolerance policy when he became the commish.... unfortunately, he backed down on that policy some time later.

Umm, Vick was kept out of football for two years and 6 games on top of that. In fact, he was thrown out of the league before he was even tried. You're way off.

And why are you so vengeful?

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 29):
He didn't do enough time, in my mind.

My god, how much time do you want him to do?

This is a fake felony. It is a dog. I'm a dog lover, and a dog owner, and I love my and other dogs, and I am doing nothing to condone or excuse his actions, but PEOPLE: this is not a human. It is a dog. An animal. And in fact, if these were RAT fights that Vick had been sponsoring, you wouldn't have complained, and you possibly wouldn't have even heard a peep about it. Why? Because people love dogs, and people hate rats. You can be inhumane to rats. You can electrocute rats. You can poison rats. You can dismember rats. But dogs are special, and because we like dogs so much, we have made this fake felony out of dog fighting. But it IS a fake felony. It is not rape. It is not murder. It is not selling drugs. It is not arson. It is not theft. Those are felonies, and those are much larger crimes than this.

I'm personally still amazed that he got 2 years when there are thieves and rapists that have gotten less.
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:22 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
Umm, Vick was kept out of football for two years and 6 games on top of that. In fact, he was thrown out of the league before he was even tried. You're way off.

On that one, I was not talking about Vick. I was talking about Goodell and his zero tolerance policy. (Sort of a subject change a little bit....)

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
And why are you so vengeful?

Because Vick is...... 1) A Felon and 2) Does not have my sympathy for the crime he committed and 3) And he is a Felon....
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:32 am

NFL Commissioner Goodell made his decision to reinstate Michael Vick out of fear of being seen as racist and of lawsuits by Vick and/or the Players Union. I hope no NFL team signs him. Vick is a convicted felon, involved with criminals and illegal gambling and gamblers in his dog fighting. I don't think any of us could get any decent job with similar background, so why should he be employed by an NFL team. Besides, he has been out of the game for over 2 years, was of debatable quality and in jail and out of shape for that time.

To me the fans out there need to put pressure on the Players Union and owners to set standards for all players who violate public laws much like with getting caught using drugs.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:34 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 30):
I hope to god you're making a joke,

I was being overly harsh, but to say I'm consistently underwhelmed by pro-sports would be too kind.
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:47 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
As much I despise Vick he brings in money and that is what the NFL is about

Ding Ding DING - we have a winner. It's not about humanity, animal rights, or anything else. This is AMERICA and the NFL, it's all about the millions of dollars in advertising that the NFL sponsors will spend. And the sheeple will watch Vick on TV and buy the products (like flea collars) that he'll sell on TV commercials....  crazy 
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:56 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 37):
And the sheeple will watch Vick on TV and buy the products (like flea collars) that he'll sell on TV commercials....

 checkmark  You said it much better than my rash outburst, but I'm biased, and hate everything about pro sports
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:59 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 28):
Actually, I did. There are other players in the NFL that have great talent that helps generate revenue. Vick, alone, does not generate revenue on his own. You cannot generate revenue based on one player. It does not work that way

Actually looking at the rosters the NFL is quite short on great players. The league needs Burress and Vick and that is why they will play.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 37):
Ding Ding DING - we have a winner. It's not about humanity, animal rights, or anything else. This is AMERICA and the NFL, it's all about the millions of dollars in advertising that the NFL sponsors will spend. And the sheeple will watch Vick on TV and buy the products (like flea collars) that he'll sell on TV commercials

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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:59 am



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 32):
He may not have killed humans but to have been involved in something like dog fighting is sick. I don't think you can just change "like that"....It' freaking disturbing to think a human can do that sort of thing.

It IS sick. I have always held the view that you can tell how a person will treat other people by the way they treat animals. I stand to be corrected, but I believe that studies have been done to prove the correlation between animal abuse and human murders...I believe Jeffrey Dahmer was reported somewhere as having abused animals when he was younger.

I'm sorry, but people in Vick's position are held to a higher standard than Joe Blow in the office cubicle...they are seen as heroes, idols and role models. I don't think that he should be in the position to have the possibility to be earning millions and living in the lap of luxury and have young kids looking up to him. He is NOT my idea of a role model.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:08 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 34):
Because Vick is...... 1) A Felon

So is going over 20 mph over the speed limit in some states. Would you expel someone from the league for being caught felony speeding? Doubtful, so clearly it's not the fact that it's a felony. (Unless you're being extremely simple.)

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 34):
2) Does not have my sympathy for the crime he committed

He says that he does, so this is just more vengefulness in that you do not believe him.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 40):
I have always held the view that you can tell how a person will treat other people by the way they treat animals.

Well then I am certain you are wrong. I mean, isn't it self-evident? What crimes has Vick done? Now, tell me what crimes Vick has done to humans?

I mean, for crying out loud, he *babysat* for his coach on occasion. What a monster!
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:21 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 41):
Well then I am certain you are wrong.

My ex-husband used to throw my cats out the window or across the yard. It was only about a year later that he started on me.

Quoting D L X (Reply 41):
I mean, isn't it self-evident? What crimes has Vick done? Now, tell me what crimes Vick has done to humans?

He's still young. I'm not holding my breath for his sainthood.

Quoting D L X (Reply 41):
I mean, for crying out loud, he *babysat* for his coach on occasion. What a monster!

Nobody who fights dogs would EVER babysit for me...ever. There is something inherently wrong with someone who gets enjoyment out of watching two dogs fight to the death...and profit from it.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:39 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
I'm personally still amazed that he got 2 years when there are thieves and rapists that have gotten less.

You know what great point. I was at a drinking/driving class a few weeks back and we watched a video with a woman whose son was killed by a drunk driver. Her son= dead at the age of 13. The driver=six months in prison, 3 years probation, and an expired drivers license with required AA meetings as part of the sentence. In other words a slap on the wrist.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 35):
NFL Commissioner Goodell made his decision to reinstate Michael Vick out of fear of being seen as racist and of lawsuits by Vick and/or the Players Union

I would like to say that this is comment made no sense whatsoever. Answer me this, what evidence do you have to support your claim. Has anyone EVER called Goodell a racist? Goodell is the commissioner if you didn't realize it. It is up to him to govern the league. If he feels Vick is not an asset to the league, then he can forcefully ban him, no questions asked, and no lawsuits lobbied whatsoever. And if the players union did decide to file a lawsuit, the evidence against Vick is more than enough to show why Goodell would not want him in the league. Sorry, but that racism stuff has no place in this issue.
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:50 am



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 42):
My ex-husband used to throw my cats out the window or across the yard. It was only about a year later that he started on me.

I'm sorry that you experienced that, but you have to know that that's not the experience of everyone.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 42):
Nobody who fights dogs would EVER babysit for me...ever.

That's your choice, and I would never begrudge that. I don't even begrudge those that think that the could never root for Vick. I don't begrudge those that hate the man. But there's just no good reason other than vengeance to keep him out of the league now.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 42):
There is something inherently wrong with someone who gets enjoyment out of watching two dogs fight to the death

How about rats? or cockroaches?
 
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:29 am



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
I think he did his time in prison and want to see him under center by middle October as a starter.

He's done his time for society. I'm not convinced he's done his time for the NFL.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
As much I despise Vick he brings in money and that is what the NFL is about. You can't lose sight of the fact that the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA are businesses and businesss need to make money. To do that you need viewers and fans in seats. Vick brings that because even tho he is a dog killer he is a great player.

The NFL could make plenty of money without Vick.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 30):
The man deserves a chance to make his money.

There are plenty of things he could do to make money besides the NFL. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, even after you've done it before.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 35):
I hope no NFL team signs him.

Agreed. At least not for another year.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 40):
people in Vick's position are held to a higher standard than Joe Blow in the office cubicle...

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Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:45 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 45):
The NFL could make plenty of money without Vick.

How? He brings viewers and revenue.

Quoting Mir (Reply 45):
If you're getting millions of dollars to play a game for a living, it's not too much to ask to not be a criminal.

Yea just ask Raw Lewis and Pacman Jones.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:14 am

He did his crime. He did his time. He paid his debit to society. He deserves to get his life back together and if that means what paid his bills, being in the NFL, then so be it.

One hypocritical thing about most people is that we preach forgiveness/2nd chances but don't want to give em out. Now if he messes up again then thats it. Cut him loose.
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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:17 am

This is all Bull!!! He killed dogs not a human. The commish has put all these contingencies just to keep people like PETA off his back. Vick has paid his debt to society. He should be allowed to sign with any team and just start playing. He lost millions of dollars as a result of his crime.

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RE: Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.

Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:25 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 45):
The NFL could make plenty of money without Vick.

You are right. The NFL will milk this whole thing for every dollar its worth. Money makes the world go around. Controversial players keep people talking about your product and going to see it too. All business.
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