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Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:04 am

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/03/nkorea.clinton/index.html

Hmmmm this is interesting. I mean I feel NK can't be bargained with at this point and will use these two women as leverage against us with their nuclear program but I find it interesting that Hilary is being upstaged by her hubby. Not to mention I would expect our President to go have a talk and solve everything. Very interesting indeed.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:20 am

President Clinton is apparently in transit to NK, has not yet arrived there.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/world/asia/04korea.html?_r=1&hp
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:43 am

It ain't gonna work anyway. Krazy Kim will likely stick to what was dictated, and the reporters won't be released. Besides, it would not be convenient for Kim because then the reporters may even report of the most likely abuse of the prisoners who are forced to hard labour under the DPRK justice system (or lack thereof).
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:42 am

I wonder what would happen if NK decided to detain Clinton for some crime they invent?
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:38 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
I wonder what would happen if NK decided to detain Clinton for some crime they invent?

Out of Iraq and into NK!

But in reality if they did something that monumentally stupid then there will be no more NK

Has there been any other US president standing or past that has been with Krazy Kim? I know there were presidents with China, Soviets, and Cuba but i've never heard of a one on one formal sit down with the 2. And at that. Were would he be staying? A day trip there then a quick hop on the VIP 757 no Seoul?
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:42 am

Man this is pretty embarrassing. Sending a former president to fetch journalist (aka CIA) out of a gulag.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:55 am



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Man this is pretty embarrassing. Sending a former president to fetch journalist (aka CIA) out of a gulag.

Apparently you missed Colin Powell's interview the other day...based on his experiences, high-level contacts are the only way of dealing with DPRK - they are simply too skilled at negotiating.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:29 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

I guess he just can't win. Maybe he should have stayed home and done nothing. If nothing else, the families of those involved are appreciative, even if you aren't.

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I would expect our President to go have a talk and solve everything

GWB style?

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:34 pm



Quoting 7324ever (Reply 4):
Has there been any other US president standing or past that has been with Krazy Kim?

Carter definitely went in '94, I don't know about any others.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
I guess he just can't win. Maybe he should have stayed home and done nothing.

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:59 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
I wonder what would happen if NK decided to detain Clinton for some crime they invent?

That may depend whether he is acting on his own or as an envoy for the Obama administration.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Apparently you missed Colin Powell's interview the other day...based on his experiences, high-level contacts are the only way of dealing with DPRK - they are simply too skilled at negotiating.

If you can equate extortion with negotiation.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:13 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 9):
If you can equate extortion with negotiation.

Call it what you want - but they know their position in the region and we know who their customers for their only dastardly export are - either way, they are in an advantageous negotiating position in any arena other than direct military confrontation.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:54 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Call it what you want - but they know their position in the region and we know who their customers for their only dastardly export are - either way, they are in an advantageous negotiating position in any arena other than direct military confrontation.

Agreed and they know how to exploit it.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:15 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Not to mention I would expect our President to go have a talk and solve everything.

Remember all the fuss over his proposal to personally negotiate with Iran during the campaign? You'd be hearing it all over again.

Sending someone else is the right thing to do. Bill is a well-respected figure in the world, and he has the high-level clout you'd want, but he's not officially a part of the government, as Hillary is. So he's a pretty good choice.

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:41 pm

Sending Bill Clinton is equal to sending a very high level official, while not actually sending an official. He is probably the best person to send - can you see asking Little Dick Cheney?
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:46 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
Sending Bill Clinton is equal to sending a very high level official, while not actually sending an official. He is probably the best person to send - can you see asking Little Dick Cheney?

In that case the North Koreans would likely not get their butts kissed.      

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:57 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 14):
In that case the North Koreans would likely not get their butts kissed.

Right. Because if Kim didn't cooperate, Cheney could shoot him in the face.

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:01 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 15):
Right. Because if Kim didn't cooperate, Cheney could shoot him in the face.

Nothing so dramatic.  Yeah sure

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:24 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 8):
Our strategy over the past 7 years has worked so well, why should we try anything different?



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
Sending Bill Clinton is equal to sending a very high level official, while not actually sending an official. He is probably the best person to send - can you see asking Little Dick Cheney?

Agreed. It is highly likely he was sent by the Sec State, and equally likely sent because a success was agreed in advance.

I might have egg on face, but not as likely as some other posters on this thread - then again, they might not want the two lasses back, because well are they really American? Hope they have not been using an Adelaide guy in their fake US passports.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:18 pm

I know this is gonna sound mean, but North Korea has to make an example out of somebody. I hate NK as much as the next guy, but these two reporters knew what they were doing and the danger they were getting themselves in. One of the reporters, her sister did an "Explorer" documentary on NK, where they went in on a tourism package and filmed certain illegaly. I still enjoyed it though.

Anyway, these two reporters knew what they were doing. They knew how strict NK is and they still insisted on sneaking into their country just for the reason of wanting a good story. When will journalists learn not to push their luck in certain situations. Then they get caught and they want their country to rescue them, in an almost impossible situation when we have no diplomaic ties with this country. Somewhere along the line, we have got to stop this invasion of privacy stuff. If NK wants to be left alone, they should be left ALONE and american journalists who are simply looking for a juicy story should respect that, and if they're caught, then they should be dealt with properly. There is a reason why the country is so secretive, let the gov't worry about their relationship with NK, and all the jounalists itching for a nice juicy "humanitarian" story should just look somewhere easier.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:56 pm

Oh, isn't it a shame to use diplomacy to free two Americans trying to tell the world just how bad this regeme is. Americans taking care of Americans. That is really a shame. Why not just bomb the snot out of NK? Isn't that what Republicans want, I guess? Geez.... What is wrong with people?
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:59 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 20):

More drama.  Yeah sure
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:00 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
Anyway, these two reporters knew what they were doing.

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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:18 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
can you see asking Little Dick Cheney?

Yep , he would be perfect for it. The NK's would not be confused about the message being sent... with Bubba its a little more shady . I think we should have had a USMC Amphibious landing too and pick them up ... but that's just me.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 20):
What is wrong with people?

We don't appreciate our Allies being threatened with Nuclear annihilation ?? Yes ..that's it. We don't really like to kiss ass on the bullies ... we tend to stand up for ourselves and do what is right ...despite the consequences.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:23 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
I know this is gonna sound mean, but North Korea has to make an example out of somebody. I hate NK as much as the next guy, but these two reporters knew what they were doing and the danger they were getting themselves in. One of the reporters, her sister did an "Explorer" documentary on NK, where they went in on a tourism package and filmed certain illegaly. I still enjoyed it though.

Anyway, these two reporters knew what they were doing. They knew how strict NK is and they still insisted on sneaking into their country just for the reason of wanting a good story. When will journalists learn not to push their luck in certain situations. Then they get caught and they want their country to rescue them, in an almost impossible situation when we have no diplomaic ties with this country. Somewhere along the line, we have got to stop this invasion of privacy stuff. If NK wants to be left alone, they should be left ALONE and american journalists who are simply looking for a juicy story should respect that, and if they're caught, then they should be dealt with properly. There is a reason why the country is so secretive, let the gov't worry about their relationship with NK, and all the jounalists itching for a nice juicy "humanitarian" story should just look somewhere easier.



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 19):
Oh, isn't it a shame to use diplomacy to free two Americans trying to tell the world just how bad this regeme is. Americans taking care of Americans. That is really a shame. Why not just bomb the snot out of NK? Isn't that what Republicans want, I guess? Geez.... What is wrong with people?



How do they deserve it? They got caught up in the backwards ass Red government in NK and Kim was only doing this because the reporters are American and he is trying to make a stupid point that NK is not afraid of the US by holding the prisoners.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:31 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
I know this is gonna sound mean, but North Korea has to make an example out of somebody. I hate NK as much as the next guy, but these two reporters knew what they were doing and the danger they were getting themselves in. One of the reporters, her sister did an "Explorer" documentary on NK, where they went in on a tourism package and filmed certain illegaly. I still enjoyed it though.

You can add these three idiots into the mix too:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32280801/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
 
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Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 15):
Because if Kim didn't cooperate, Cheney could shoot him in the face.

If only!

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 19):
isn't it a shame to use diplomacy to free two Americans trying to tell the world just how bad this regeme is. Americans taking care of Americans

The world has tried diplomacy with NK for how long? And what have we gotten?
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:08 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
I wonder what would happen if NK decided to detain Clinton for some crime they invent?

Hide the women.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
Maybe he should have stayed home and done nothing. If nothing else, the families of those involved are appreciative, even if you aren't.

Appreciative of what? Where is the Obama administration? Also give it a rest with GWB, that argument is so lame it's not even funny.

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Remember all the fuss over his proposal to personally negotiate with Iran during the campaign? You'd be hearing it all over again.

More so the fact that Obama has zero credibility with anyone over there at this point I mean check my signature. That is a direct quote from the 2nd in command of Al Qaida. Face it, most of the world views our president as a big bag of hot air. Which is pretty much spot on.

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 15):
Right. Because if Kim didn't cooperate, Cheney could shoot him in the face.

No better to let him just walk over us right?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
We don't appreciate our Allies being threatened with Nuclear annihilation ?? Yes ..that's it. We don't really like to kiss ass on the bullies ... we tend to stand up for ourselves and do what is right ...despite the consequences.

You have to remember that Dems could care less about our allies, they just pretend they do.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:17 pm

CNN just announced that the two would be heading home.

Looks like Old Bill did the job - but that isn't a big shock.

The pardons have been announced and the girls will be going home soon.

Good enough?
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:20 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 27):
Good enough?

Yes .. in my opinion it ended well.... and President Clinton got some face time. Ready the Nobel peace prize ... !!
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:41 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
Damn if it wasn't for that little thing called the constitution

Yeah, lets just throw the Constitution under the bus...
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:45 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
Can someone tell me why it is OK to continually insult a democratic President

I apologize ... I thought about it after I posted it. I usually use the proper title as I did on my follow up post.

President Clinton is a very smart man .... he is a international super star and business man. He uses the office that the people of the US elected him for to do good things for people ... he also uses it to do business . Nothing wrong with it I guess..
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:46 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
The man has no substance and just sits there and spews out feel good speeches that AQ was quoted as saying is an "ILLUSION" I know you really can't accept this and refuse to but it can't change the facts.

When did AQ say: "We are afraid of GWB"?
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
Damn if it wasn't for that little thing called the constitution we could have him back in the white house! Got to admit I am impressed that he stepped up where as our President and Secretary of state were somewhere else. Then again it was probably better this way. I just hope Bubba didn't have to promise something like we would just sit back and let NK build a nuke and start vaporizing people but hey you can't have it all.

Neither the President, not the Sec. State could have done this and I would not have wanted them to. The "legitimacy argument" would have been dragged up by every right wing pundit like was done with Hugo Chavez. As an American I think this is the best way to balance what was needed and what could be done.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
and she never shoved cigars up a single orafice!

And you know this how?  Wink

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
And this is documented where?

Open your eyes.

How about show me a link for my eyes to view? Seriously, you would ask for the same thing.


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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:09 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Hmmmm this is interesting. I mean I feel NK can't be bargained with

North Korea can't be bargained with, eh??? Me thinks today's release of the two journalists from NK proves you wrong.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/asia/05korea.html?_r=1&hp

However, I am waiting for the right-wing "spin machine" to start with the "we're negotiating with terrorists" and "Hillary Clinton couldn't handle the negotiations with Kim so she sent Bill to clean it up" and "We pimped out Bill Clinton to get Kim to release these ladies".... and so on - queue Rush Limbaugh's ranting and raving NOW  vomit 
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:15 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 29):
if it wasn't for that little thing called the constitution we could have him back in the white house! Got to admit I am impressed that he stepped up where as our President and Secretary of state were somewhere else.

It's not the Constitution - rather an Amendment that was brought in after FDR died and the country had a hard time accepting the gap he left after so many years.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 29):
she never shoved cigars up a single orafice!

That you know of.  Wow!
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:18 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25):

The world has tried diplomacy with NK for how long? And what have we gotten?

It got 2 Americans home!
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:26 pm

I'm not gonna lie, it's really nice to see these ladies come home, I hope they've learned their lesson. I wonder what this says about NK though? I mean, 12 years of hard labor, all of a sudden, a surprise presidential pardon? I wonder what else they've been lying about? I never believed they would be there for long, i've always thought that NK had the women there for bargaining chips with the U.S. I expected Hilary to go in there a few months ago, but I see she's still ordering her husband around  sarcastic  . Any way, good to see them headed home.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:28 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 14):

In that case the North Koreans would likely not get their butts kissed.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25):

The world has tried diplomacy with NK for how long? And what have we gotten?

So you two would rather go in there with guns blazing and start a war?

We have the bigger stick and NK knows that. They are well aware that we could wipe their country off the map. Unfortunately, if we were to do that, then the job of re-organizing their government and taking care of all of their citizens would fall to us, just like it did in Iraq.

NK is a small problem. We can solve it with a retired senior official. We don't need to go blasting in there to solve a problem we don't need to solve with force.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:33 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
So you two would rather go in there with guns blazing and start a war?



Quoting Michlis (Reply 14):
In that case the North Koreans would likely not get their butts kissed.


How does this translate into wanting to start a war?   





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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:33 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 33):
However, I am waiting for the right-wing "spin machine" to start with the "we're negotiating with terrorists" and "Hillary Clinton couldn't handle the negotiations with Kim so she sent Bill to clean it up"



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 36):
I expected Hilary to go in there a few months ago, but I see she's still ordering her husband around sarcastic .

Guess StasisLAX beat you to it.

FuturePilot, you need to stop seeing the world in such a slanted way. The goal was to get these two women back safely, preferably without having to fire any shots. The government chose people that they felt could accomplish this goal, and in fact, the goal was accomplished.

This is a victory for America. Two American citizens, wrongly detained by an evil foreign power, have been released and we did it without weapons. I am very proud to be an American today. We showed that we are capable of more than being bullies and that we are better than North Korea.

It doesn't matter who did it. What matters is that it got done the right way. Your negativism towards anything done by Democrats is not going to help our country, or yourself for that matter.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:52 pm

[/quote]

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 33):
However, I am waiting for the right-wing "spin machine" to start with the "we're negotiating with terrorists" and "Hillary Clinton couldn't handle the negotiations with Kim so she sent Bill to clean it up" and "We pimped out Bill Clinton to get Kim to release these ladies".... and so on - queue Rush Limbaugh's ranting and raving NOW vomit

This coming from the guy who is spinning hard in the opposite direction.  Yeah sure
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:41 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 40):

This coming from the guy who is spinning hard in the opposite direction. Yeah sure

And yet in the very next post, someone said exactly what he predicted and rebutted. And that made that post look very silly. I have to say the timing could not have been better.
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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:42 pm

Wow...wonder what promises were made..maybe he invited lil' Kim over to the White House for a beer with Pres. Obama.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
We showed that we are capable of more than being bullies and that we are better than North Korea.

How? NK have the upper hand here. They had every reason not to let these women go (who BTW knew all the risks involved, yet decided to 'mistakenly' venture into NK..no sympathies there), yet they let them go. And if you're referring to military action..I don't think it would have been that easy, NK have a huge bloody army and aren't pushovers. Military action would have been a huge mistake..no wonder diplomacy was used.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:43 pm



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 42):
Wow...wonder what promises were made..maybe he invited lil' Kim over to the White House for a beer with Pres. Obama.

Does he drink beer?

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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:46 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 41):
And yet in the very next post, someone said exactly what he predicted and rebutted. And that made that post look very silly. I have to say the timing could not have been better.

So be it. Now, back to prior matters. You still haven't answered my question.

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
So you two would rather go in there with guns blazing and start a war?

Quoting Michlis (Reply 14):
In that case the North Koreans would likely not get their butts kissed.


How does this translate into wanting to start a war?

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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:50 pm



Quoting Michlis (Reply 40):
This coming from the guy who is spinning hard in the opposite direction

Not at all - long-time registered Libertarian here. I just hate the policies of division, fear, neo-conservativism, and "just say no" of the Republicans.... and the Congressional puppets of special interest lobbyists in both parties.
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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:52 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
What matters is that it got done the right way

No one was killed ...that is good. But NK got something .... they were bought off somehow.

I see the Merritt of it .. But personally speaking a MH-47 "Night Stalker" extraction with special operations would have been far more inspiring . But hey... I am sure we will have another chance for heroics with that clown over there.
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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:01 pm



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 42):

How? NK have the upper hand here.

Yup. And we graciously let them have it, took our people back, and left quietly. Sometimes, you have to do that. We STILL have the bigger stick. We showed that we have restraint.

Besides, if we'd gone in there with guns blazing, they could have very well executed these two women or used them as hostages.

Sabre-rattling is not always the best policy.

Quoting Michlis (Reply 43):

Does he drink beer?



Quoting Michlis (Reply 38):


How does this translate into wanting to start a war?

Maverick was expressing frustration at the idea of going and asking nicely for our people back. We got our people back. That's all we wanted. It didn't cost much, just a 737 and some accommodations.

The only alternative I can think of is to take a forceful action, which would be an act of war.
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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:03 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
Sabre-rattling is not always the best policy.

In fact, sabre rattling is probably the WORSE policy to use with the uber-paranoid Kim Jong Il.
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RE: Bubba Heads To NK To Try To Save The Day

Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:06 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
Maverick was expressing frustration at the idea of going and asking nicely for our people back. We got our people back. That's all we wanted. It didn't cost much, just a 737 and some accommodations.

The only alternative I can think of is to take a forceful action, which would be an act of war.

And I was responding to a quip from another member; I wasn't advocating crossing the DMZ.  tongue 
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