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stasisLAX
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Should Nigeria Be The Focus Of The War On Terror?

Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:11 am

A lead story in the newest issue of "Newsweek" magazine reports:

"In 2001 Al Qaeda's mastermind Ayman al Zawahiri predicted that the western
African country of Nigeria would soon become a critical next front in the terror
war against the West. So when a radical Islamist sect called Boko Haram began
attacking police stations and government offices recently, initiating a
bloodbath in which over 700 have been killed so far, it rekindled fears about
the emergence of a regional Islamist front. Nigerians referred to the group as
the Taliban."

Source: target=_blank>http://www.newsweek.com/id/210236/output/comments

Source: target=_blank>http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MzUzNDgwMDkz

Now, here's the even more frightening part. The article also states that "Boko
Haram translates roughly as "Western education is a sin," and the group
advocates banning Western schooling and the imposition of Sharia across the
country. One of the group's training camps, situated along the porous eastern
border with Niger, was even called "Afghanistan." alt="scared" border=0>

My understanding of Nigeria (learned from investigation with federal law
enforcement of the infamous Nigerian credit card fraud/extortion rings at a
former employer) is that the country is held together only by their oil reserves
and the political power of the upper (ruling) classes, but that the governance
of the country is now at the brink of complete collapse (after 40 plus years of
sheer criminal ineffectiveness).

There's the Odua Peoples Congress in the west; the Movement for the
Actualization of the Sovereign State of Biafra in the east; and the Movement for
the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) in the south. And from the north of
Nigeria there's the Arewa Consultative Forum (ACF) -- a political organization
with tentacles into all branches of the current Nigerian federal government. All
seem hell-bent to tear Nigeria apart and a majority number of Nigerian citizens
seem happy to see Nigeria divided into at least three or maybe even more states.
The "new Afghanistan" could be Nigeria???
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RE: Should Nigeria Be The Focus Of The War On Terror?

Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:33 am

As I understand it, Nigeria has a newly elected President, a woman, but I don't recall her name. That goes against everything in Sharia Law, as women hold no official status and are the "property of their husbands or fathers.

I don't know if she has the will and support to hold the country together.

I hope that Nigeria does not become a terrorist stronghold. All Nigeria really has is oil to trade, and that isn't that much in the big scheme of things. Most of the oil is offshore though, so it is easier to protect those wells.
 
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RE: Should Nigeria Be The Focus Of The War On Terror?

Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:52 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
As I understand it, Nigeria has a newly elected President, a woman, but I don't recall her name

First, Nigeria's president is not a woman, not as if that changes much. Second of all, Americans need to get all the right facts for themselves, so that they are not misled in to wars like Iraq, and abandoning important wars like Afghanistan.

Quoting 7324ever (Reply 3):

As a Nigerian, I can give you some quick points to take note of. "Boko Haram" as you rightly noted, is a very fringe group of the Nigerian population, just as you would have fringe liberal and conservative groups in the U.S (except that the groups members are economically disadvantaged and uneducated youth being taken advantage of). This group is using the cover of Islam and the Sharia Law to carry out it radical ideology and "beef" against Western education. They are just plain criminals, using Islam to sustain them. They have not (and in my judgment, will never) infiltrated the Nigerian society like you have with the Taliban and Al Qaeda in other places. They are called "Taliban" in Nigeria, as an alias or common name on the streets, not as a result of any direct or indirect connection to major terrorist organization. Also, the Nigerian president is a self described devoted Muslim from the region where all this problem started, and he was very quick to order a "shoot at sight" for the members of this group and their Notorious leader. With this order, Nigerians were happy with his no nonsense approach to the Boko Haram, only to come under criticism from Western Human rights activists when the Boko Haram leader was discovered to have been killed by Nigerian military. Also, the Nigerian military has done a good job of shelling and destroying the groups enclave in Northern Nigeria. I am a christian, with some Muslim family members, grew up in predominantly Muslim Northern Nigeria, and I can tell you Nigerians don't tolerate radicals and terrorists. Check up on how this situation was handled, and you will know what I am talking about.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
"In 2001 Al Qaeda's mastermind Ayman al Zawahiri predicted that the western
African country of Nigeria would soon become a critical next front in the terror
war against the West

When these reports were published, I was still in Northern Nigeria and I can assure you that most Nigerians, even in this region were in utter state of denial when we saw these reports on newspapers, why? The acts or radicalism and terrorism are so far from our psyches.

To other points about Nigerian groups such as MEND, OPC, ACF, and Biafra; these groups are ethnic organizations claiming to fight for the various ethnic groups in the country. MEND is the only one of serious concern to us, and I can assure you once Nigeria gets rid of corruption and nepotism, these groups will cease to exist. That is what we are working towards.

To that end, Nobody should be talking of a failed or broken Nigerian state, nobody should be talking about Nigeria as war zone, a terrorist state, or another Afghanistan. There is no reason to bring the big guns and bombers into Nigeria, not now, not ever. War in Nigeria will only create confusion and worsen the economy, create an unlikely opportunity for a terrorist organization to COME INTO Nigeria, create even worse Humanitarian crisis in Africa, and causing unnecessary aches for the U.S.

You all got to feel the pulse on the city, town and village streets of Nigeria, the U.S will not find friends, even among U.S admirers( which I think all Nigerians are), if they come searching for fringe groups which Nigeria is well capable of handling.
 
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RE: Should Nigeria Be The Focus Of The War On Terror?

Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:31 am



Quoting Impacto (Reply 2):
I can assure you once Nigeria gets rid of corruption and nepotism, these groups will cease to exist.

Thanks for your insight. I have a question - when will Nigeria rid itself of the vast government corruption and nepotism - and by what means do you see this happenning? Finally, will these seperatist groups be as corrupt and violent if they gain power, in your opinion.
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RE: Should Nigeria Be The Focus Of The War On Terror?

Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:55 am

Thanks Impacto. Very interesting. As I understand it there is another problem. There is a sort of religious ITCZ, and like the Met ITCZ is associated with extreme turbulence.

It happens when the Christian evangelicals push N powered largely by US money and collide with the Wahhabi evangelicals pushing south fuelled by Saudi money.

Why do folk want to inflict their miserable religions on others? I will bet few of the evangelicals are happy and all they are doing is making a fair proportion of Nigeria very miserable.
 
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RE: Should Nigeria Be The Focus Of The War On Terror?

Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:13 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
As I understand it, Nigeria has a newly elected President, a woman, but I don't recall her name. That goes against everything in Sharia Law, as women hold no official status and are the "property of their husbands or fathers.

KC-

Up until fairly recently in the West, women had no official status and were the property of their husbands or fathers. This is a situation that has pretty much been the norm all over the world for most of history.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
Thanks Impacto. Very interesting.

 checkmark  second your comments, Baroque.
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