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Car Tire Question

Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:06 pm

I am reaching the end of the life of my tires. They are the stock goodyears that came with my 05 Nissan Murano and 3 of the 4 lasted me 53k miles. Here is my question. I only plan on keeping the car another 12-18 months more. Can I put on a cheaper tire since I don't care if the tire lasts me 4 more years....is there anything wrong with the cheaper tires such as a Hankook opposed to a goodyear or michelin?

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:21 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
is there anything wrong with the cheaper tires such as a Hankook opposed to a goodyear or michelin?

No nothing wrong at all. Tires are a very standard commodity as is their technology. The main difference is noise and at the edge of performance. If you don't care about possibly more noise (sometimes a lot more) or taking your car to the edge of it's performance envelope, then going with a tire from a decent supplier is fine.

Saying that, there are several "unknowns" that can match toe-to-toe Michelin and Goodyear in performance, wear, and noise. Hankook is one of those.

http://www.tire-information-world.com/tire-brands.html

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The Hankook Tire group, based in Seoul, South Korea is the eigth largest tire company in the world. Established in 1941 as the "Chosun Tire Company", it changed to "Hankook Tire Manufacturing" in 1968.

Hankook Tire is mostly known its radial tire and bias-ply tire production and supplies original equipment tires to the Ford Motor Company, General Motors, International Truck and Engine Corporation, among others. It produces about 50 million tires annually exporting about half to over 170 countries. It has 4,422 permanent staff worldwide.

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Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:37 am

I always go to tire rack for my tire needs and they've been great. My new $60 tires have the best reviews and highest ratings and ironically they are among the cheapest.

http://www.tirerack.com/
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:05 am

One has to be careful going for 'cheaper' tires. Many vehicles have very specific tire requirements. For example, 2 tires could be the same size, but have two different load capacities, with a cheaper tire not of sufficent load capacity which can cause problems. Cheaper tires could come from China or other 3rd world countries with possible quality problems as well warrenty coverage. Cheaper tires may not be as good in wet weather, could affect handling or not as well constructed if you hit a pothole.

As a previous poster noted, go to a website like tirerack.com as their website can help you find alternative tires by different companies and prices. Many large tire companies offer different brands with different price points and quality. BF Goodrich tire is owned by Michelin. Goodyear I believe has a close relationship or owns Dunlap. Are you a member of Sam's Club or Costco or BJ's Wholesale clubs? They offer very competitive pricing, name brands and low priced installation. Try your local Wal-Mart branch with tire sales and install service, they may be able to offer a good deal and low install costs. Go on the net and check local stores and chains.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:10 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Cheaper tires could come from China or other 3rd world countries with possible quality problems as well warrenty coverage. Cheaper tires may not be as good in wet weather, could affect handling or not as well constructed if you hit a pothole.

I believe that to be able to be marketed in the US, the tires (and other products in general) have to comply to certain standards. For tires, the standards are issued by US Department of Transportation, and every tire sold in the US must have DOT code. (cmiiw) So, we can assume that all tires sold in the US are safe to use.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:30 am



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I only plan on keeping the car another 12-18 months more. Can I put on a cheaper tire since I don't care if the tire lasts me 4 more years....is there anything wrong with the cheaper tires such as a Hankook opposed to a goodyear or michelin?

Get a decent tire. Nothing fancy, nothing $$$, but don't go bottom of the barrel. BF Goodrich makes good road tires, and are relatively cheap.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:00 am

I usually buy tires that are a common name brand. I always look at the tires when I buy a car. When I see cheap tires I think that owner skimped on service because they didn't want to spend the money for good stuff. It makes me wonder how much else they skimped on. If a person spends the bucks for good tires you can usually bet they spent money on other repairs too.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 4):
So, we can assume that all tires sold in the US are safe to use.

True, but the level of quality varies. I work with cars everyday and I deal with tires a lot and you get what you pay for for the most part.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:14 am



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 6):
you get what you pay for for the most part.

True, most of the time. However, like FLY2HMO said, go to http://www.tirerack.com . There we can find cheaper tires that have better quality (according to users' reviews) than more expensive ones from more famous brands.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:04 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Are you a member of Sam's Club or Costco or BJ's Wholesale clubs? They offer very competitive pricing, name brands and low priced installation.

So I had gone to Costcos website a few days ago and they let you put in your car model and they tell you the tires they have for it....They are only showing me $210 Michelins.....I guess I have to call to see if they actually have more at the store.

LIke I said before...I want decent tires, but to drop 1000 bucks for 1 more year of use is not really in my best interest either.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:23 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):

Ask them what they have in 235/65-18, that's the tire size. Most places will try to sell you whatever they have in stock in that size, they'll go as far as saying they're the only ones in that size sometimes.
From looking at Tirerack.com there are some Kumho's for $93, everything else is $130 and up. Discount Tire Direct (tires.com) has Falkens for $117. Figure about $30-40 more per tire for mounting and balancing (probably a bit high).

The one thing to be careful of with the reviews is you want to make sure they are on a vehicle of similar size. Just because a tire works well on a 2600lb Civic doesn't mean it's going to be as good on a 4000lb Murano.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:15 pm

You can also check out mavistire.com. They have a bunch of locations in the NY area and seem to have decent prices.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:32 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 9):
The one thing to be careful of with the reviews is you want to make sure they are on a vehicle of similar size. Just because a tire works well on a 2600lb Civic doesn't mean it's going to be as good on a 4000lb Murano.

Also see how and where a tire is being used. A tire that works great for a guy in snowy Michigan may not be a an ideal tire for a guy in sunny California.
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Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 5):
Get a decent tire. Nothing fancy, nothing $$$, but don't go bottom of the barrel.

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Even if you plan to keep it for another year or so I still would buy some quality tire (especially if they are so dirt cheap in the US). Engine is not what keeps you on the road.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 11):
A tire that works great for a guy in snowy Michigan may not be a an ideal tire for a guy in sunny California.

That's why they invented this thing called "winter tires"...  Wink

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 4):
For tires, the standards are issued by US Department of Transportation, and every tire sold in the US must have DOT code. (cmiiw) So, we can assume that all tires sold in the US are safe to use.

Your assumption is wrong. DOT code is a standard for marking of tires. It does in no way guarantee quality or safety.
Autocar magazine recently run an article where they compared cheap Chinese "brands" such as Wanli, Linglong, GT Radial against Continental...

http://www.conti-online.com/generato...g/autocar_tyre_test_article_en.pdf
 
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 12):
Your assumption is wrong. DOT code is a standard for marking of tires. It does in no way guarantee quality or safety.
Autocar magazine recently run an article where they compared cheap Chinese "brands" such as Wanli, Linglong, GT Radial against Continental...

That is like the DOT rating on motorcycle helments. Many have DOT on them, but not all offer the same level of protection and quality.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 12):
That's why they invented this thing called "winter tires"...

Ah.... That's no fun.  Wink

Chinese tires leave a lot to be desired. I have a good friend who worked at a shop in the 1980s (in Detroit) that sold tires made in the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) and those things sucked. He had lots of returns.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:50 pm

Check around the advertised specials and check Sears and Wal-Mart type stores, either online or as you're driving by them. There will be various tire stores in your area that also might have sales going. As long as you don't need them this week it's relatively easy to wait for a sale.

My feeling is that the difference between the cheapest tires and moderately priced ones is less than my auto insurance deductible.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:52 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
LIke I said before...I want decent tires, but to drop 1000 bucks for 1 more year of use is not really in my best interest either.

Well then you should really try to milk the ones you have the rest of the way. Your not going to find a decent tire for real cheap and thinking of the person who gets the vehicle next also comes into play.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:53 pm



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 12):
Even if you plan to keep it for another year or so I still would buy some quality tire (especially if they are so dirt cheap in the US). Engine is not what keeps you on the road.

Definitely. No matter what safety features your vehicle has, their #1 safety feature is the tires. Everything else can protect you in an accident, but the tires are often the difference in avoiding an accident.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:26 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
LIke I said before...I want decent tires, but to drop 1000 bucks for 1 more year of use is not really in my best interest either.

Well then you should really try to milk the ones you have the rest of the way. Your not going to find a decent tire for real cheap and thinking of the person who gets the vehicle next also comes into play.

I can't remember the last time I paid over $500 for all four tires mounted & balanced and this includes my last purchase of 215/65-16 Goodyear Integrity's.

You can find good, inexpensive tires out there that are safe and handle well.

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Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:48 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 16):
Everything else can protect you in an accident, but the tires are often the difference in avoiding an accident.

Especially in poor road conditions, like wet roads.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:57 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 17):
I can't remember the last time I paid over $500 for all four tires mounted & balanced and this includes my last purchase of 215/65-16 Goodyear Integrity's.

Issue is I have 18's on my car so under $500 seems almost impossible.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
and thinking of the person who gets the vehicle next also comes into play.

Ehh.....they are buying the car...let them replace if they don't like it.

Thank you all for your responses so far. I called Mavis like MAX550 Said and I got a quute for a BF Goodrich all year round for $132 per tire with Installation. I am leaning towards that at this point.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:04 pm

From what I have experienced with tires, I would prefer Bridgestone or Goodyear. Ever since I purchased a new Honda Civic with Goodyear and my current one with Bridgestone tires, they are awesome. No bulges, no air bubbles, maximum durability, they last baby. The only problem I've had with tires, was Dunlop, man they grew air bubbles in them as soon as I purchased new tires, dont buy them, unless Dunlop has made changes to their design specifications. Yes, I would definitely look at the brand of a tire, even if its used, read the specifications, read the ratings of the manufactures and its long life durability.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:02 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 19):
Thank you all for your responses so far. I called Mavis like MAX550 Said and I got a quute for a BF Goodrich all year round for $132 per tire with Installation. I am leaning towards that at this point.

I'm guessing they're the Long Trail T/A Tour? That's cheaper than what they cost on Tire Rack even with installation. The reviews are pretty positive, I'd go for it. I don't think you'll get a cheaper price anywhere else.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:25 pm

Just got a set of Sumitomo HTR tires for $320 all in on my Nissan lease.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:32 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 19):
Issue is I have 18's on my car so under $500 seems almost impossible.

It is, I have a Maxima with the 18s and my out the door price was a cool grand.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 19):
Ehh.....they are buying the car...let them replace if they don't like it.

Gotcha tho I don't share that mindset.

Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 20):
From what I have experienced with tires, I would prefer Bridgestone or Goodyear. Ever since I purchased a new Honda Civic with Goodyear and my current one with Bridgestone tires, they are awesome. No bulges, no air bubbles, maximum durability, they last baby. The only problem I've had with tires, was Dunlop, man they grew air bubbles in them as soon as I purchased new tires, dont buy them, unless Dunlop has made changes to their design specifications. Yes, I would definitely look at the brand of a tire, even if its used, read the specifications, read the ratings of the manufactures and its long life durability

I researched it to death. The big three are Goodyear, Bridgestone and Michelin. When it comes to really depending on your tires I wouldn't venture outside of this.
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:37 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
I researched it to death. The big three are Goodyear, Bridgestone and Michelin. When it comes to really depending on your tires I wouldn't venture outside of this.

Those are the big three, but they make a lot of the other brands too. Bridgestone makes Firestone, Goodyear makes Dunlop and Michelin makes Uniroyal and BFGoodrich.

My experience has been that it usually comes down to the individual line rather than the brand. I've had good sets and bad sets from the same companies. I actually prefer the $70 Coopers I have on my car now to the $170 Bridgestones it used to have.
 
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
The big three are Goodyear, Bridgestone and Michelin. When it comes to really depending on your tires I wouldn't venture outside of this.

Pirelli or Continental is at least as good if not (often) better. And making assumptions based just on the brand is superficial. Example: Bridgestone Turanza ER300 is an awesome summer tire, Turanza ER30 uses completely different mixture and is avarage tire at best.
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Quoting Max550 (Reply 24):
Those are the big three, but they make a lot of the other brands too. Bridgestone makes Firestone, Goodyear makes Dunlop and Michelin makes Uniroyal and BFGoodrich.

All of which I wouldn't touch. Firestone is crap, Dunlop is B list as is Uniroyal and BF is overrated.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 25):
Pirelli or Continental is at least as good if not (often) better.

Conti is a good tire for value. Pirelli is awesome but treadwear doesn't measure up. I have had them and they seem soft to me.
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 12):
Your assumption is wrong. DOT code is a standard for marking of tires. It does in no way guarantee quality or safety.

No. My assumption is every tire sold (legally) in the US is save to use. If you don't agree with my assumption then you are questioning US Department of Transportation tire safety standard.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:16 am



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
LIke I said before...I want decent tires, but to drop 1000 bucks for 1 more year of use is not really in my best interest either.

I can see your predicament. As I mentioned briefly, I have a lease Im getting rid of soon, also a Nissan. Honestly, after a bit of research, I went to a local mom and pop that needed the business. I told them that the tires being replaced were Continentals and I needed something comparable.

Perhaps armed with the above, you can do similar as the local businesses may work with you. PS paying cash helped sweeten the deal both ways.
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:19 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 26):
All of which I wouldn't touch. Firestone is crap, Dunlop is B list as is Uniroyal and BF is overrated.

Are you an automotive professional? Do you work with tires on a daily basis?

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 27):
No. My assumption is every tire sold (legally) in the US is save to use.

They are all safe to use, but they are not all the same.
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:40 am



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 12):
Quoting Afterburner (Reply 4):
For tires, the standards are issued by US Department of Transportation, and every tire sold in the US must have DOT code. (cmiiw) So, we can assume that all tires sold in the US are safe to use.

Your assumption is wrong. DOT code is a standard for marking of tires. It does in no way guarantee quality or safety.

L410Turbolet is correct: The DOT code is nothing more than a way to identify a tire's size, model, production plant, and week of manufacture (the last 4 digits are the week and year the tire was made, thus "0509" would be a tire that was made the 5th week of 2009). It is in no way a guarantee of anything. In fact, it is a requirement on tires sold in the US to make it easier for manufacturers to track down the source of defects in tires after they appear. The DOT code has been in use since at least the 1980s, and before the year 2000 there were only three digits denoting the week of manufacture instead of four.
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 29):
They are all safe to use, but they are not all the same.

Of course. Manufacturers create products with different levels of quality, different prices, for different markets.
 
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Quoting Afterburner (Reply 27):

No. My assumption is every tire sold (legally) in the US is save to use. If you don't agree with my assumption then you are questioning US Department of Transportation tire safety standard.

They do tests to make sure it's safe, as in it won't fall apart, but not much beyond that. All of the tests are done on machines though, there's no road testing. They are tested at speed to make sure they won't fall apart, they make sure the tire is resistant to bead unseating, and they test the strength of the cords and rubber, among other things. None of the tests are safety tests of how they will perform on a car, just that they are strong enough to be used on a car.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:41 pm

$210 a tire for that size tire really doesn't sound to bad. Every time I have tried to save a little on tires I have regretted it. Suck it up get the Goodyear's.

I drove a Suburban a while back that had Firestone's. They were not ever in the recall and I had multiple tread separations they were junk.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:28 pm



Quoting Vapar8 (Reply 33):
I drove a Suburban a while back that had Firestone's. They were not ever in the recall and I had multiple tread separations they were junk.

I had that happen to an Oldmobile 98 Regency that had Firestones on it, five years before the Firestone debacle. I later got a set of recall tires (I took them out the recall return pile at work) and put them on my 66 Ford F-100 and never had a problem.

Firestone had problems before the Wilderness AT tires. The Firestone 500, back in the late 70s and early 80s was recalled too.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:35 pm

I've had really good luck wth Cooper tires.

I have to pull the studs on my old winter tires and turn them into my summer tires. My current winters need to be replaced.
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Quoting Afterburner (Reply 27):
My assumption is every tire sold (legally) in the US is save to use. If you don't agree with my assumption then you are questioning US Department of Transportation tire safety standard.

Let's put it this way: safe to USE and safe to DRIVE are two completely different things.
 
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 36):
Let's put it this way: safe to USE and safe to DRIVE are two completely different things.

I believe the main use of tires IS for driving (tires are put on wheels to make vehicles more comfortable and safer to drive). How many new tires sold for other purpose? Has the US Department of Transportation (or similar institutions in other countries) ever tested tires to make sure they are safe to be used as children tire swing or racetrack tire wall?





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Quoting Afterburner (Reply 37):
are safe to be used as children tire swing or racetrack tire wall?

The latter is probably the safest use for those obscure Chinese "brands"...
I as well as others tried (and obviously failed) to explain you what the DOT code standard is and that it has very little to do with quality or actual safety of you as a driver and that specialized real-life test done by magazines or entities like German ADAC have repeatedly shown that most of those cheap Chinese "brands" have serious quality issues if not being outright dangerous. Whether or not you will trust (based on false assumptions) the government as a guarantor of your safety or not is of course your choice.
 
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 38):
I as well as others tried (and obviously failed) to explain you what the DOT code standard is

Forget about the DOT code. Let's talk about safety standards. Developed countries (like the US, UK, Germany, etc) have standards that describe the minimum quality requirement for products (goods and services). Only products that meet these standards can be sold/distributed legally. The most important are safety standards. If a product meets its safety standard, that it is considered safe. If unsafe products meet the standards, then the standards have to be raised.

Based on your statement above, the tire standards set by the US DOT are NOT safety standard, because we can't guarantee that a tire is safe even though it meets the standards. So, what standards are they? Do we have to rely on magazines rather than to the government regulations when it comes to motoring safety?
 
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Quoting Afterburner (Reply 39):
Forget about the DOT code. Let's talk about safety standards. Developed countries (like the US, UK, Germany, etc) have standards that describe the minimum quality requirement for products (goods and services). Only products that meet these standards can be sold/distributed legally. The most important are safety standards. If a product meets its safety standard, that it is considered safe. If unsafe products meet the standards, then the standards have to be raised.

Right, every tire meets a minimum safety standard. That does not mean that every tire is just as safe as all the others.
Think of it like a car, sure every car meets the minimum standards, but safety varies immensely by make and model. A Chevy Cobalt meets the same safety standards as a Volvo S80, but that doesn't mean they are equally safe.

While you are correct that every tire is safe to use, they vary in how safe they are and what they are safe for.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:21 am



Quoting Max550 (Reply 40):
That does not mean that every tire is just as safe as all the others.



Quoting Max550 (Reply 40):
While you are correct that every tire is safe to use, they vary in how safe they are and what they are safe for.

I know. That's why I wrote this:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 31):
Manufacturers create products with different levels of quality, different prices, for different markets.

 
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:38 am

I got my Hankook's a year ago and 15,000 miles later I'm still very happy. Even during the week long torrential rains from T.S. Fay they handled well. With warranty I was out the door $280.

Edit: I believe I was looking at more expensive Kumho tires (can't remember for sure), but the salesman was preferring the 'kooks over whatever I was looking at.

[Edited 2009-08-11 19:42:00]

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