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Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:57 pm

Apparently, this Birther, Orly Taitz, presented a fake Kenyan Birth Certificate to a judge in federal court. He threw it out because of the mistakes she made in presenting it to the court, not that it would matter because the australian birth certificate it was based off, has already been found.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...08/06/birth_certificate/index.html

This was found on the site which the fake birth cetificate was posted

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Fine cotton business paper: $11

Inkjet printer: $35

1940 Royal Model KMM manual typewriter: $10

2 Shilling coin: $1

Pilot Varsity fountain pen: $3

Punkin' the Birthers: Priceless<<<-------.

The birthers are really trying though, MORONS! The picture of the fake certificate is below

http://www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7obp3yym18l.jpg
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:29 pm

Presenting fake evidence to prove the case of where Obama was born is stupid.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
MORONS! The picture of the fake certificate is below

http://www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7...l.jpg

I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:31 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

He is an American Citizen, born to an American Mother in an American State - what are people going to find out that is so different?
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):

I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

If you think that the truth is that he is not a legal US Citizen, then you cannot argue that you are that much more intelligent than they. After all, you have seen the same proof as they did and you agree with them, even if you disagree with their methods.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:32 am

If the Clintons couldn't find anything, it doesn't exist.

So is this guy going to jail for presenting false evidence? He ought too.

Again, President Obama can quell this anytime he wants by petitioning the State of Hawaii for the document and the presenting the goods in the WH press room. That ends the story right there. Somehow I think he and his advisors secretly want these idiot birthers to continue so they can try and tie the can around the entire GOP's tail.

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Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:37 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

Could you please name these supposedly "smarter" people? So far from what I have seen they all seem to fall into the moron category. In many instances the same people who think the President was not born in the US also think 9-11 was an inside job.
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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
In many instances the same people who think the President was not born in the US also think 9-11 was an inside job.

And rightly so. They're smarter because they have actually opened their mind, examined the evidence, and formed their own conclusion based on it instead of automatically accepting what the mainstream media wants them to believe. Right or wrong in the end, it's the more intelligent initial response to questions.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:33 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

... IF it really exists.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:35 am

There are plenty of legitimate concerns about where Obama was born.


It is unfortunate that this forged case is being used by the press to marginalize those legitimate concerns.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:57 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
There are plenty of legitimate concerns about where Obama was born.


It is unfortunate that this forged case is being used by the press to marginalize those legitimate concerns.

And there are plenty of legitimate so called "Bigfoot Videos and Pics" out there and thousands claiming to have seen it! What's your point? The fact is, there is no certainty to all these assumptions made by the "Birthers". Oh and since there are such legitimate concerns out there, can you please give me a few examples, or just give me one; One legitimate example of why anyone would think that he was not born in Hawaii, other than the fact that he has not released his birth certificate to the public.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:32 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 4):

Again, President Obama can quell this anytime he wants by petitioning the State of Hawaii for the document and the presenting the goods in the WH press room. That ends the story righ

No it doesn't, no matter what he does or whatever documents he produces, the coneheads will say it's fake.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:30 am

'Plenty of legitimate concerns'.
No there isn't, unless your a desperately bitter sore loser who just cannot accept last year that of a majority of Americans who voted, did not vote the way you wanted.
Tough shit, that's democracy, bit selective in your belief in it aren't you all?
Sorry your ego got crushed so, but that's politics.

As on the other thread about this nonsense, please explain just HOW that someone running for this most powerful position, if there were ANY questions or concerns about background, somehow escaped the intense scrutiny that agencies like the Secret Service and others would carry out.
So far no one who remotely subscribes to this BS has bothered to answer, I wonder why?
That's the elephant in the room here, isn't it?
And you've no answer to it.

Worse, if you are into to this nonsense, you are in the same boat as the '911 Truthers', 'Apollo Was Faked' to give two examples, maybe others too, 'Elders Of Zion', 'Concentration Camps were faked'.
Why should you be taken as seriously as them?
Many of the same people into some or all of these are the same who believe in what you 'is Obama really American' types think too.
Same 'reasoning' same tactics - such as when your assertion in disproved it's the 'ah, but what about this?'.
Exactly the same, no difference at all.
Enjoy your new friends.

It confirms the view of many outside the US that you have more the usual % of nutters, political extremists, running around.
Fits in with the also unusually high numbers of those who cannot accept basic scientific truths as well.

Still, won't do Obama any harm, with the fact that even a few GOP nutters are on the fringes of all this, or think by fanning it, it will help them.
It won't though, since one way the US is similar to most Western democracies is that elections are fought and won on the center ground.
So if there are clearly extremist nutters who believe in nonsense like this, only the most base parts of the 'base' are going to be engaged by it.
As we saw by them forcing that Alaskan idiot on to poor old McCain last year.

Still, if you want to carry on making fools of yourselves on here, bringing much incredulous amusement to the rest, carry on typing and linking to nutter sites!
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:02 am



Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
Worse, if you are into to this nonsense, you are in the same boat as the '911 Truthers', 'Apollo Was Faked' to give two examples, maybe others too, 'Elders Of Zion', 'Concentration Camps were faked'.

And that "the climate change isn't man made" or "there is no evolution" in nature by the creatonists.  Yeah sure

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
It confirms the view of many outside the US that you have more the usual % of nutters, political extremists, running around.
Fits in with the also unusually high numbers of those who cannot accept basic scientific truths as well.

Yep.  yawn 

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Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:46 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 4):
Again, President Obama can quell this anytime he wants by petitioning the State of Hawaii for the document and the presenting the goods in the WH press room. That ends the story right there.

He has already presented the goods. It's not his or his staffs problem if people won't accept it and makes up some rambling excuse of how it's 'not the proper birth certificate'.
 
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Quoting T prop (Reply 10):
No it doesn't, no matter what he does or whatever documents he produces, the coneheads will say it's fake.

True but it would quell the over riding majority of those that wonder as another thread shows exist.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 13):
He has already presented the goods.

Not quite, they have shown photo's not the original document. If he were to request a copy of the document certified by the State of Hawaii as geniune then pass it around the WH press room so the reporters could see touch and examine it then that would end any speculation. Unlike many of the other consipiracy theories out there Kennedy, WTC, Moon, etc this one can be ended pretty quickly and convincingly. But as I said, most likely a part of the Obama staff figures it's better for their guy if they allow it to continue so they can use that to their advantage.
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Quoting DXing (Reply 14):
But as I said, most likely a part of the Obama staff figures it's better for their guy if they allow it to continue so they can use that to their advantage.

Sure, and why shouldn't they. If your political opponents wanted to spend their time concocting elaborate conspiracy theories and exposing themselves as complete nutcases--and yes, even affecting the reputation of some more moderate opponents--wouldn't you gleefully let them keep going too? Especially if you had better things to do than stop them--like running the country... You'd have to have some good reason not to...
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:23 pm

Orly Taitz (meltdown edition)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD4X25eoFQo

Also, this link (below) has a pretty good writeup on O RLY:

"When J.D. interviewed the bizarre Ms. Taitz on July 15, he kept referring to her as "Doctor Orly Taitz, Esquire." What he didn't mention is that she's a dentist, not some tenured Professor of Law. Far from it. In fact, records show Taitz received her law degree from Taft Law School in Santa Ana, California, which specializes in "distance learning law programs to qualified students around the world."

Taft's Web site also indicates, "Certain programs utilize a telecommunications learning modality while others employ an independent study learning modality. (In the Juris Doctor Programs, students can select either system.)"

In other words, it ain't Stanford, bubbee. "

(excerpt)

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bas...kfyis_barry_markson_eats_birth.php
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:02 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
If you think that the truth is that he is not a legal US Citizen, then you cannot argue that you are that much more intelligent than they.

So, exactly how much do you know about MY intellegence? Do you believe there was a gunman on the grassy knole?

Just like a liberal to try to attack those who oppose them on anything. the problem is liberals always show up to a battle of wits, unarmed.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
After all, you have seen the same proof as they did and you agree with them, even if you disagree with their methods.

No, I have not scene their evidence, and I damn sure wouldn't make up fake evidence like they have.

Quoting DXing (Reply 4):
So is this guy going to jail for presenting false evidence? He ought too.

I agree.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
Could you please name these supposedly "smarter" people? So far from what I have seen they all seem to fall into the moron category.

In ageneral catagory? Non-Liberals, and other people who can think all by themselves.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
In many instances the same people who think the President was not born in the US also think 9-11 was an inside job.

I didn't know Rosie O'Donnell doesn't believe Obama was born in the US. Thanks for that 'tip".
 
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Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
It confirms the view of many outside the US that you have more the usual % of nutters, political extremists, running around.
Fits in with the also unusually high numbers of those who cannot accept basic scientific truths as well.

You don't even know the half of it GDB. There are people in this country who are stocking up on ammunition because they feel the gov't is converting to a socialist state. I don't have a problem with guns, but this is rediculous. People like Orly Taitz makes this country look like we aren't aware of the important issues. I mean, she goes on msnbc and announces the birth certificate, which was fake, made out of an australian certificate, where does it end? If you watch her interview you will see she can barely speak english. Is she even a citizen, if not, why the hell should she care? She gives the resemblence of a racist.

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Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:42 pm

Futurepilot, I've wondered about that, however America has become in recent decades, a much more 'socalist state', courtesy of the GOP.
Socialist that is to large corporations, the very and super rich, an odd kind you may think, but if Deng who led China for some 20 years after 1978, could call his turbo charged free market reforms Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, I guess there is room for 'Socialism with American Characteristics' too.

While I'm not about to ascribe to individuals here, who I don't know, with racism, denying that is not a strong element in the more loopy types is yet another form of denial.
Just because America crossed a very great boundary with his election, which it is to be congratulated for, and would have been too if say Colin Powell had ever been the first black President, does not mean that not very far under the surface a lot of people hate and resent the fact of his election for that alone.

Some of that bloated monster Rush's pronouncements, have been overtly racist.
Anyone in good conscience, whatever their general political views, would have boycotted his bile spewing just for that.
Yet he seems to have more influence than ever in a great US political party, the party of Lincoln.
Shameful.

Seriously paranoid gun nuts and racism go together, as we have seen with some of the cases you allude to.
Frankly, there is probably at least as serious or even a greater domestic terrorism threat to the US now, from home grown non Islamist nutters, rather than Islamists themselves.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:40 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Some of that bloated monster Rush's pronouncements, have been overtly racist.
Anyone in good conscience, whatever their general political views, would have boycotted his bile spewing just for that.
Yet he seems to have more influence than ever in a great US political party, the party of Lincoln.
Shameful.

This man is one of the biggest right wing nuts in America. He feels the need to slander anything democratic and liberal. His points are so biased and I believe his followers are just liek him, a bunch of rich pompous jerks who believe that equality in america is not their cup of tea, so they use other issues to make it seem as though liberals are ruining this country. Any man than does not believe in our president and wants him to fail, is no American. Not only that but he is one of the biggest RACISTS in the the media in America.

P.S. here is something to back up your statement
http://newsone.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Seriously paranoid gun nuts and racism go together, as we have seen with some of the cases you allude to.
Frankly, there is probably at least as serious or even a greater domestic terrorism threat to the US now, from home grown non Islamist nutters, rather than Islamists themselves.
Remember Tim McVeigh?

Funny you mention that, the FBI arrested 8 men a few weeks in connection with a plot to commit terrorism abroad. These guys were born american converted muslims who went to pakistan and afghanistan to learn how to wage war against their own country.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:49 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 14):

True but it would quell the over riding majority of those that wonder as another thread shows exist.



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):

You don't even know the half of it GDB. There are people in this country who are stocking up on ammunition because they feel the gov't is converting to a socialist state.

Those people have been doing this for a long time. They gained a lot of attention back in the mid-1990's with the OKC bombing (especially since there was a connection to my home state of Michigan and the Michigan Militia. My swim coach was actually a "militiaman.").

A major problem with education in the U.S. is that we indoctrinate children with this strange, idealistic view of how the U.S. is supposed to be. When some of them grow up and learn that the fairy tales aren't true, they react violently and try to MAKE them true.

We need to stop beating our chests at our kids about how superior we are and how wonderful we are and stick to teaching them how the U.S. actually works. The good and the bad.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:33 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 14):
But as I said, most likely a part of the Obama staff figures it's better for their guy if they allow it to continue so they can use that to their advantage

Exactly,

And of course the White house is milking the "Any critisim of Obama is race based" horse as much as they can. Sad part is that many people can't see through that yet.

For example.....

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Some of that bloated monster Rush's pronouncements, have been overtly racist.

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Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
And of course the White house is milking the "Any critisim of Obama is race based" horse as much as they can. Sad part is that many people can't see through that yet.

For example.....

My friend, if you don't think that Rush Limabugh is racist, then you hvae obviously NEVER EVER heard anything that man has said. He is one of the biggest racists on the radio in america. I'm not calling for him to be removed (I respect freedom of speech) but he is an embarrasment to himself, coonservatives and the entire republican party. He is a racist (Hence the reason he has attacked Obama non-stop since the election), big time, and there is proof readily available if you want it.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:12 pm

If Barack Obama wasn't born in the US, where was he born?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:17 pm



Quoting IwenttoYXEonce (Reply 24):
If Barack Obama wasn't born in the US, where was he born?

The Birthers claims he was born in his father's homeland of Kenya. They have released several fake birth certificates from Kenya and none of it has any say in a court room. For me to explain the shear stupidity of the this Birther movement would take hours.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:39 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 14):
Not quite, they have shown photo's not the original document. If he were to request a copy of the document certified by the State of Hawaii as geniune then pass it around the WH press room so the reporters could see touch and examine it then that would end any speculation.

They showed it to FactCheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

And at some point they have to say enough is enough. I'm fairly sure that if they did show it around in the WH press room, the nutters would be going "That's fake" anyway or start demanding that they be mailed the original copy in person.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:45 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 26):
They showed it to FactCheck

They showed pictures of a digitaly scanned document. The State of Hawaii department of health has repeatedly said that the only person who can request a copy of the actual document is President Obama himself. Sounds pretty simple.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 26):
And at some point they have to say enough is enough. I'm fairly sure that if they did show it around in the WH press room, the nutters would be going "That's fake" anyway or start demanding that they be mailed the original copy in person.

Let them wail, at that point the President would have done all that he could do. At this point he hasn't. So either he doesn't care what they think, or he does care and wants them to keep trying to prove their claim.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:19 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
They showed pictures of a digitaly scanned document. The State of Hawaii department of health has repeatedly said that the only person who can request a copy of the actual document is President Obama himself. Sounds pretty simple.

I think you're mixing two arguments up here.

First, the original document doesn't exist anymore as everything is now stored digitally. And how exactly does a picture maintain a raised seal as shown in the pictures taken by FactCheck?

And second, of course he is the only one who can request a copy of the document, I doubt that people would like it very much if any Tom, Dick & Harry could request the birth certificate of anyone they want.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:35 pm

Wasn't Obama born a Barry and then changed religions to become Barack anyways?

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Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:40 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
The birthers are really trying though, MORONS! The picture of the fake certificate is below

http://www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7...l.jpg

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Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
They showed pictures of a digitaly scanned document.

False. They were shown the birth certificate, complete with the raised seal of the State of Hawaii. That makes it admissible evidence which will be accepted as AUTHENTIC, and PROOF of the information contained thereon in every federal court.

What's your argument against that?

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 29):
Wasn't Obama born a Barry and then changed religions to become Barack anyways?

No. Where do people get these strange ideas from?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:59 pm



Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 29):
Wasn't Obama born a Barry and then changed religions to become Barack anyways?

Trey

Barry was a nickname that Obama adopted in his teens and twenties, probably because growing up Barack is not the easiest thing. His closer friends still sometimes calls him that, but he has been and always will be legally Barack.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:12 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 28):
I think you're mixing two arguments up here.

First, the original document doesn't exist anymore as everything is now stored digitally. And how exactly does a picture maintain a raised seal as shown in the pictures taken by FactCheck?

From fact check:
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.


Quoting CPH-R (Reply 28):
And second, of course he is the only one who can request a copy of the document, I doubt that people would like it very much if any Tom, Dick & Harry could request the birth certificate of anyone they want.

Correct. So produce it, (the copy they used the pictures for) and then end it.

Quoting D L X (Reply 31):
False. They were shown the birth certificate, complete with the raised seal of the State of Hawaii.



Quoting D L X (Reply 31):
What's your argument against that?

That if the President were to produce a copy at the WH that he had requested from the State of Hawaii no one could then question it. As it stands now, you have some un-named staffers at FactCheck saying they saw it. Well a number of people have seen any number of things associated with conspiracy theories. Here's a rare chance for the person at the middle of it to put it to bed. FactCheck has as much going for it as the Warren Commission.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:03 pm



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
And rightly so. They're smarter because they have actually opened their mind, examined the evidence, and formed their own conclusion based on it instead of automatically accepting what the mainstream media wants them to believe. Right or wrong in the end, it's the more intelligent initial response to questions.


No they are not smarter or more open minded. If anything they are close minded.

Let's go over the list of "evidence" brought forth by the birthers. Their first bit of evidence is that they say so therefore it must be true. Sorry, but saying something is true does not make it so.

Then there's the famous youtube video of Obama's grandmother supposedly saying he was born in Kenya. Birthers jumped all over that. Only one problem, unless you speak her language you are dependent on the translation being accurate. For all you know she could be talking about Kenyan politics. Birthers don't believe the birth certificate from the State of Hawaii is accurate. Yet they seem to take that video at its word.

Then there are all the irrelevant or downright non-sensical points they make. One of the points they have made is that his half-sister supposedly was wrong about what hospital he was born in. And this is proof of what? If you were to ask me what hospital my sister was born in there's a good chance I would get it wrong since I'm not sure.

Some try and say that he used a non-US passport to visit Pakistan in 1981. They say Pakistan was on a State Department list of countries Americans could not visit. Two problems with that. No one offers any evidence that this was actually the case. In fact Americans could go there. Second, even if it were on a list would that really stop anyone?

The latest bit of "evidence" from the birthers is the Kenyan birth certificate. As we all know now it's a forgery based on an Australian birth certificate from the late fifties. But you didn't really need to know that to figure out something was not quite right about it. Look at the spacing and the alignment of the letters on the Kenyan birth certificate. Seems a bit to even for something supposedly typed in the early sixties. Almost like it was done on Microsoft Word.

The "evidence" so far put forth by the birthers turns out to be either irrelevant and evidence of nothing of flat out lies. So when I weigh all this "evidence" forgive me if I'm not buying.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:04 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 33):
That if the President were to produce a copy at the WH that he had requested from the State of Hawaii no one could then question it.

Yeah right. If he produced it at the White House, you'd find another excuse to not accept it. You'd say something like "well, I wasn't there that day, so he needs to do it again. He needs to do it for me. He needs to let me personally feel it." You guys always have some knicknoid excuse for why evidence is not good enough, even though it is good enough for EVERY FEDERAL COURT in the United States.

That's what I want to know your answer to. Why is it not good enough for you, but good enough for every federal court in the United States? Why is it not good enough for you that the Republican governor of Hawaii has said that he was born there?

The problem is, you don't want to believe anyone who tells you something other than you want to hear. When the non-partisan group FactCheck says it's authentic, you say "naw, not good enough for me. I want the press to see it." But then you'll say, well, the liberal press is in Obama's pocket, so of course they're going to say it's okay. You'll always have an excuse. That's why Obama ignores your request.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:17 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
In ageneral catagory? Non-Liberals, and other people who can think all by themselves.

I noticed you did not name any specific individual.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
I didn't know Rosie O'Donnell doesn't believe Obama was born in the US. Thanks for that 'tip".

Here's some names for you, Jerome Corsi, Alex Jones and Philip Berg. Three names that often appear in the Obama birth certificate "debate" that also pop up in 9-11 conspiracy theories. Another thing birthers and 9-11 truthers have in common is that they both say they only want the "truth". They only truth they really want is their version of the truth. Just look what happens when both groups are shown evidence they don't like.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
They're smarter because they have actually opened their mind, examined the evidence, and formed their own conclusion based on it instead of automatically accepting what the mainstream media wants them to believe.

The old boogey man "mainstream media". People will typically use this boogey man when what is reported is not what they want to hear. Yet these same people seem to more than willing unsubstantiated rumor and lies from sites like WND.

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Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:30 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 35):
Yeah right. If he produced it at the White House, you'd find another excuse to not accept it.

It's not that I don't accept it. I don't question he was born in Hawaii as he says. He could have been born in Kenya as they say and I still would say since his mother was an American, so is he. My point is that if he did do that (produce his BC at the WH) anyone questioning it after that would certainly be marginalized and get no press. However, it evidently suits the President and his advisors not to do that so that he can pin the tail on the GOP with it if he so chooses. You're argument is not with me, I agree he is a natural born American citizen.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:35 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
Just like a liberal to try to attack those who oppose them on anything. the problem is liberals always show up to a battle of wits, unarmed.



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
In ageneral catagory? Non-Liberals, and other people who can think all by themselves.



The name calling on both sides has gotten old.
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Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:40 am



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 36):
Here's some names for you, Jerome Corsi, Alex Jones and Philip Berg. Three names that often appear in the Obama birth certificate "debate" that also pop up in 9-11 conspiracy theories. Another thing birthers and 9-11 truthers have in common is that they both say they only want the "truth". They only truth they really want is their version of the truth. Just look what happens when both groups are shown evidence they don't like.

Not only that. Have you realized that these conspiracy theorists never get anywhere? They have been around for years now and the have never ever been proven right. I wonder why that is? Maybe because their beliefs are so off that they AREN'T TRUE.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:45 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 39):
Have you realized that these conspiracy theorists never get anywhere?

Yes I have. Unfortanetly for us they have not.  Sad
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:50 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 37):
I don't question he was born in Hawaii as he says. He could have been born in Kenya as they say and I still would say since his mother was an American, so is he. My point is that if he did do that (produce his BC at the WH) anyone questioning it after that would certainly be marginalized and get no press.



Quoting DXing (Reply 37):
You're argument is not with me, I agree he is a natural born American citizen.

My bad. I actually should have known that from reading your earlier posts. Substitute all "you's" for "they's." Big grin
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:03 am

Bush cheated in the 2000 elections, remember Florida.
Even if obama had cheated, which I think is the greatest crap ever he had the majority of voters behind him not like Bush.
I think there are bigger probs in the US than birth certificates. Some people here need to stop watching fox all day. You might lose the touch to reality.
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:25 am

Just how long do some on here really want to look at best silly, or deluded and bitter, at worst racist?
And believing stuff from '911 Truthers' except this time, some of their crap just happens to ring your own bitterness or delusion bell?

And I still wait for the explanation of just HOW any irregularities here were somehow missed by your security people?
It is perhaps very telling that no answer on that rather important point has been given?

Carrying on with this will make everything else you say on anything suspect, since you are seen as a tinfoil hat wearer.

The ability of it seems, quite a portion of America to live in delusion, denial and plain fantasy, continues to surprise.
 
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:09 am

All you need is Obama's birth certificate number and you can probably access it on Hawaii's government website. I am pretty sure most birth certificates are now digital. But don't quote me on that.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:54 pm



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 42):
I think there are bigger probs in the US than birth certificates. Some people here need to stop watching fox all day. You might lose the touch to reality.

You don't know the half of it. Faux News needs to go.

Quoting GDB (Reply 43):
The ability of it seems, quite a portion of America to live in delusion, denial and plain fantasy, continues to surprise.

You should come here for a few days and see just how delusional it is. It's not the majority, just a few morons who listen and watch conspiracy videos and believe everything about it without checking the facts.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:26 pm

.....Or they are just a minority that happens to be that much louder?

So some 'Birthers' are also 'Truthers' but they are all a bunch of wankers!
 
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:33 pm



Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):


And of course the White house is milking the "Any critisim of Obama is race based" horse as much as they can.

Please provide an example of when the White House has said this in the last month.
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RE: Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)

Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:50 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 46):
.....Or they are just a minority that happens to be that much louder?

So some 'Birthers' are also 'Truthers' but they are all a bunch of wankers!

Just remember, when you have to lie to make your point, it automatically invalidates your point.
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