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Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:05 am

Who let the dogs out??

Apparently, the Philadelphia Eagles...

$1.6 Million first year, $5.2 Million option for the second year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:13 am

Wow never figured it would be the Eagles. Looks like McNabb is getting one more year or will be kicked to the curb if he can't get it done.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:13 am

Good, glad to hear it, time to move on.

Donte Stallworth killed a human, served 6 days of a 30 day sentence, suspended from the NFL for one year - is his penalty justice?

Rick Pitino broke the trust of his family and community - will he be vilified? Probably not.

Double standards?
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:21 am

A P.O.S. person for a P.O.S. city and P.O.S. team.

What a perfect match.

And what a shocker that Vick is in Filthy after Reid said ,"We're not interested, but we hope he lands on his feet." Don't get me wrong I think Vick should have another chance after a 6-8 game suspension, but how ironic is it that he lands in one of the worst cities in the US.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:26 am

Good for him moving on, I'm glad he has been given the opportunity to do so after being made such a villain.

I for one couldn't care less about the whole story and his fighting dogs, boo hoo hoo. Millions of human beings suffer worldwide everyday, I cannot believe some people care so much about a pack of dirty, vicious dogs who aren't even their own. What about the children? What about the children?

[Edited 2009-08-13 20:08:16]
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:34 am

As a long-time Eagles fan, this just makes me sick.....
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:41 am

Vick should have never gotten a second chance. I used to respect the Philadelphia Eagles as a franchise, but I just lost my respect for them because they chose to hire a convicted felon as quarterback. Vick's behaviour indirectly reflects upon the NFL, and it's bad enough that there are far too many people suspended for stupid things such as illegal gun posession (Plaxico Burress), for manslaughter while DUI (Donte' Stallworth), dog fighting (Michael Vick) etc. Nowadays, most of the news the NFL makes, is related to crimes or any kind of misbehaviour of its players. It's as if discipline, respect, honour and common sense are no longer values the NFL cares about.

What ever happened to the fact that in professional sports, players have to be role models for kids? How should an 11 year old football fan understand the fact that someone who commited a serious crime, is let off the hook? What just happened just sends one message, and it says that crime does pay, and that's not the kind of message I want to convey to kids.

For everyone's sake, I just hope McNabb can keep his job as a starter and doesn't get injured, because if Vick does get to play a single match, even for just a few minutes and even if it is during the pre-season, it's the declaration of moral bankruptcy of the National Football League.

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:56 am



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 4):
I for one could care less about the whole story and his fighting dogs, boo hoo hoo.

So if you could care less, you do somewhat care? The rest of your post seems to indicate otherwise...

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 4):
Millions of human beings suffer worldwide everyday, I cannot believe some people care so much about a pack of dirty, vicious dogs who aren't even their own. What about the children? What about the children

So it's OK to MAKE animals fight to the death and abuse them? We should have selective moral outrage, that's what you're saying? We can't be mad about "the children" AND someone's complete disrespect for life other than their own? We have to pick?  scratchchin 

Look, I'm not about to go out showering naked in the street for PETA because of this, but wrong is wrong. Sure he's paid his debt to society, but the vengeful side of me wishes his money days on Easy Street were over. It does perpetuate that image that you can get away with anything given enough money.

Oh well, I'll just enjoy listening to the entire stadium erupt in boos when he steps on the field week after week. You know that's gotta get to even the most egotistical of players after awhile.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:00 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
What ever happened to the fact that in professional sports, players have to be role models for kids? How should an 11 year old football fan understand the fact that someone who commited a serious crime, is let off the hook? What just happened just sends one message, and it says that crime does pay, and that's not the kind of message I want to convey to kids.

The only fact is that the NFL is a business and it's teams will do whatever they think improves their team. Theres no 'fact' players have to be role models for kids. It's nice when it happens, but come on, i am sick of these 'for the childrens sake..' arguments. How is he 'let off the hook' after doing his debt to society through a 2 year prison sentence? It sends a message that 'crime does pay'? You've gotten be kidding me. Nothing beneficial has come out of this saga for Michael Vick, he's lost a fortune and 2 years of his life. But you think 'crime does pay". Really? How has it paid? Sorry, that's pure BS.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:01 am

There has to be others the Eagles could have chosen as a 'backup' QB without a Felony and very contervrsial criminal record as well as a better playing history as a QB than Michael Vick. It is also an insult to McNabb. Wait until the first time he goes into a game in a hostile site like Giants Stadium, they will boo Vick off the field.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:14 am



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 7):
So if you could care less, you do somewhat care? The rest of your post seems to indicate otherwise...

Touché  champagne 

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Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 7):
So it's OK to MAKE animals fight to the death and abuse them? We should have selective moral outrage, that's what you're saying? We can't be mad about "the children" AND someone's complete disrespect for life other than their own? We have to pick?

No duh, it is not ok, but it sure is hypocritical. How many untold animals are abused and slaughtered inhumanely for meat, leather, and fur? They are not all killed in humane ways. Veal and liver pate production is a pretty nasty and abusive process. Why use so many resources and energy prosecuting and vilifying this man? For some dogs? Not some cute dogs, not some 6 y.o. girl's kidnapped pooch...some of his own ugly fighting dogs. But then again people love to see a famous, public person fall from grace and give them a few kicks on the way. So I am not surprised so much.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:17 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Vick should have never gotten a second chance. I used to respect the Philadelphia Eagles as a franchise, but I just lost my respect for them because they chose to hire a convicted felon as quarterback.

Aww boohoo.  crying   cry 

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
There has to be others the Eagles could have chosen as a 'backup' QB without a Felony and very contervrsial criminal record as well as a better playing history as a QB than Michael Vick. It is also an insult to McNabb. Wait until the first time he goes into a game in a hostile site like Giants Stadium, they will boo Vick off the field.

The guy is a great QB, and despite what he's done in the past, he has gotten a second chance, and I believe that a man could not do more to be forgiven. Besides, the eagles don't have a backup QB and there is no guarantee he will play that much. I know there are some out there who no matter what will never forgive him for what he did, but he is finally with a team so get over it.

I still don't understand why people are acting like he commited first degree murder here. Donte Stallworth was driving drunk and kills a man and we haven't heard even a half of a peep out of anyone for it. He settles with the family out of court and spends 23 days in jail, but yet people aren't worked up about that right? I think Vick just had a target reticle on his back and people say fine lets go after him with everything we've got, but now there's nothing they can do about it. I wish him all the best and hope the eagles meet the Pats in the superbowl. Oh and btw, NFL players don't run of the field to their mommies if they get booed, just an afterthought. (except for Vince Young)
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:29 am



Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 8):
How is he 'let off the hook' after doing his debt to society through a 2 year prison sentence?

Because he was re-instated into the NFL, despite having been previously suspended for life. Not only did he ruin his reputation, but he also did significant damage to the reputation of the Atlanta Falcons and the National Football League.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 8):
It sends a message that 'crime does pay'? You've gotten be kidding me. Nothing beneficial has come out of this saga for Michael Vick, he's lost a fortune and 2 years of his life. But you think 'crime does pay".

Yes, it does pay in this case. Kids could go on and think "Hey, even if I commit murder, they'll still let me play in the NFL". Is that what you want the NFL to become, a league run by weak people and where most of the players are people who have done time because of a felony?

Even if the NFL is nothing more than a business focussed on turning a profit, there should be certain standards when it comes to hiring of players. And to me, they lack these standards since they are willing to basically receive a convicted felon back with open arms.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:49 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):

Yes, it does pay in this case. Kids could go on and think "Hey, even if I commit murder, they'll still let me play in the NFL". Is that what you want the NFL to become, a league run by weak people and where most of the players are people who have done time because of a felony?

That doesn't make sense. You said 'crime does pay'. What tangible benefit has Vick gotten from any of this? Commit murder? Sorry, but dogs are not human beings. Where do you think Vick would he be if he murdered a person?

Where do you come to the conclusion on what the NFL will become due to this? That's a fallacy. Goodell has been a ratchet up in the tough department for dealing with these things...and the NFL has it's share of shady personalities with less than honorable past deeds, but for the most is a model league... far from a place where most of the players are felons. If that isn't the case now, what the hell makes you think it would be like that in the future? Because of Vick?


Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):

Even if the NFL is nothing more than a business focussed on turning a profit, there should be certain standards when it comes to hiring of players. And to me, they lack these standards since they are willing to basically receive a convicted felon back with open arms.

The NFL didn't welcome him back with open arms, they suspended him for 4 games and then allowed him to resume a career if a team would have him. The league didnt welcome him back or give him an opportunity, they just decided his time was done and they weren't going to stand in the way. The Philadelphia Eagles are the ones welcoming him back, and that has substantial risk monetarily and with the fanbase. They feel its a risk worth taking, and I am 100% behind the NFL's decision to let that be their prerogative.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:39 am

Congrats to Mike!  bigthumbsup 

Can't wait to see him in action during preseason. Would like to see him at WR during the regular season too.

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:56 am

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
What tangible benefit has Vick gotten from any of this?

The fact that he got a chance at restoring his career in the NFL for starters? In most other leagues (e.g. the NBA, MLB, the Bundesliga, Serie A, etc.), such a crime would have meant the end of his or her career. Hell, while I'm mentioning baseball, how about the Pete Rose issue? A guy who gambled as a manager and was permanently banned from Baseball for this (and with good reason after the Black Sox Scandal that was the 1919 World Series). Except for people on SportsCenter (and perhaps A-Rod), I don't see anybody else complaining about this, not even Pete Rose himself.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
The NFL didn't welcome him back with open arms, they suspended him for 4 games and then allowed him to resume a career if a team would have him.

Yes, they did. Like I said, in other leagues, such a crime would have meant the end of the person's career, period.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
The league didnt welcome him back or give him an opportunity

It is the league that gave him the opportunity. By making Vick's suspension conditional after his release, and with the possibility of full re-instatement by October, they gave him a chance. Wasn't it Roger Goddell who said that he deserved a second chance? If so, then the NFL definitely gave him the opportunity, and the Eagles took advantage of that by hiring him. It's up to Vick to show that the trust the NFL gave him was justified, although I stand by what I say and firmly believe that Michael Vick does not deserve re-instatement of any kind into the NFL.

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:13 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
The fact that he got a chance at restoring his career in the NFL for starters?

You said "crime does pay" and your example of payment is that he gets to be in the NFL again? That's not a payment... He was a top tier NFL star. What one reward for his crime can you give me? Given the opportunity to return to your former profession is not a payment..... That's nonsensical. Hey, i'm going to commit a crime and do time, and return to my job as a shadow of myself with a fraction of my salary!! "Crime does pay". uh.. what?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
n most other leagues (e.g. the NBA, MLB, the Bundesliga, Serie A, etc.)



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Yes, they did. Like I said, in other leagues, such a crime would have meant the end of the person's career, period.

I don't know your knowledge of American sports, but I find the notion that something like this doesn't and wouldn't happen in MLB or NBA to be completely laughable. NBA especially. Really? You really think a convicted felon would not ever be allowed to play in the NBA again?  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl  The NBA has typically had a much bigger image problem among their athletes than the NFL, and I would bet anything- a higher rate of players that are criminals.
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:15 am

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:10 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Because he was re-instated into the NFL, despite having been previously suspended for life.

He wasn't suspended for life, he was suspended indefinitely...there is a difference

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 2):
Rick Pitino broke the trust of his family and community - will he be vilified? Probably not.

Double standards?

The difference between Pitino and Vick (and Stallworth) is that what Pitino did was not illegal (though morally disgusting). And, yes, he will be vilified, especially by UK fans
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:50 pm

I'm ready to move on. Vick did his time and now he has a second chance, lets hope he does well with it. That being said, i will not be buying a Vick jersey.

I'm looking forward to the NFL season  Wink
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:55 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
he also did significant damage to the reputation of the Atlanta Falcons

Yeah those Falcons are in a world of hurt. They did horrible last year. Oh wait, nope, they were 11-5, had multiple pro bowlers, and had a stud QB who won AP Offensive Rookie of the Year. The season before they were 4-12, but that is because they lost their QB and several other players...the fact that the QB left for prison has nothing to do with that record, I bet they would be 4-12 or close to it if they had lost him to free agency or a trade too.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:38 pm

I would like to say that I love all the so called "Eagles" fans on here saying that they wiill never support the eagles again. Here we go, I'm a huge Pats fan and no real supporter of a team would say, I no longer support my team and i'm moving on to a new team, because they signed Vick (who it seems some labels as the worst criminal in history). Watching 3 Eagles games per year and rooting for them in the super bowl in my opinion does not make you a die hard fan. I'm sure the Eagles could care less if a few guys who claim they're fans because they live in philly or the know the name of the team, but really doesn't watch sports, stops supporting them. Philly fans are as obnoxious as they come and when they see this team win, they'll flock back right to them. Their motivation for not watching the team is petty, Michael Vick probably will never start a game this year, and McNabb said he pushed for him to come there. I believe the initial shock will go away and they will get over it. Simple as that.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:24 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Yes, it does pay in this case. Kids could go on and think "Hey, even if I commit murder, they'll still let me play in the NFL". Is that what you want the NFL to become, a league run by weak people and where most of the players are people who have done time because of a felony?

So, what you are saying is if you did something similar, lost you job and went to prison for 2 years and served your time for the crime, that no one should give you a second chance to get your own job back???

It's not like he got off light for what he did, he served his time, lost a lot of money, and did community service for PETA. What more do you want from him??
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:06 pm

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 2):

Donte Stallworth
killed a human, served 6 days of a 30 day sentence, suspended from the NFL for one year - is his penalty justice?

Rick Pitino broke the trust of his family and community - will he be vilified? Probably not.

Double standards?




There is....next line.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
how about the Pete Rose issue?

Exactly.Yeah,how about it,MLB?Shame on the NFL for allowing Vick back in.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
What ever happened to the fact that in professional sports, players have to be role models for kids?

Yes,what happen? I'm glad I grew up in time where there was no crime,drugs,violence and
inhumane animal treatment....etc,etc which NEVER played a factor in any of my sports heroes.If you committed any of the above,you're done.Good moral standing was upheld.

Not played politics with.Boooooo on the Eagles and the NFL.

Today,it seems, a father may have to ask the question to his son's sports hero, "Do you have a record?"Tragic.Makes me sick.

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Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:18 pm



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 23):
Today,it seems, a father may have to ask the question to his son's sports hero, "Do you have a record?"Tragic.Makes me sick.

Why should it matter. His son should look at a sports heroes performance on the field not off. Everyone makes mistakes and for a parent to not point that out, then they're not doing their job.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:47 pm

I hope Andy Reid is ready for a fun-filled drama this year....

I can see it now: "Why do I have to be the one always dealing with all the thugs in this league?!"

LOL!!!!!!! Good luck to all involved!
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:55 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 24):
Quoting PSA53 (Reply 23):
Today,it seems, a father may have to ask the question to his son's sports hero, "Do you have a record?"Tragic.Makes me sick.

Why should it matter. His son should look at a sports heroes performance on the field not off. Everyone makes mistakes and for a parent to not point that out, then they're not doing their job.

OK.So,lets put O.J.Simpson and Barry Bonds into their respected HOF They're performance on the field is what counts,right?Again,Vick has killed dogs.Where do you draw the line?

I'm not about to give forgiveness to sports athletes, who get light sentences and expect to get a second chance of "forgiveness", where their civilian counterparts are getting the book thrown at them for the same crimes.

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:26 pm



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 26):
I'm not about to give forgiveness to sports athletes, who get light sentences and expect to get a second chance of "forgiveness", where their civilian counterparts are getting the book thrown at them for the same crimes.

That's the doublestandard that rules the justice system today. Celebrities get off very easy for their crimes, while we civilians get the harshest of sentences. People like Michael Vick basically get their jobs back, while civilians with a criminal record don't get the same benefit.

The other message that this conveys, is that if you're a celebrity, you automatically get a second chance. So why do we civilians not get the same second chances celebrity felons like Michael Vick get?
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:29 pm



Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 2):
Donte Stallworth killed a human, served 6 days of a 30 day sentence, suspended from the NFL for one year - is his penalty justice?

He served 24 days of that sentence.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:49 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
It is also an insult to McNabb.

FYI, Vick and McNabb are longtime friends. McNabb has even publicly supported Vick. From August 2007:

McNabb Says He Hopes Things Work Out for Vick

Quote:
BETHLEHEM, Pa., Aug. 1 -- Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb said he remains supportive of Michael Vick, even with the Atlanta Falcons quarterback scheduled to go on trial in November on federal dogfighting charges.

"I'm a supporter of Vick," McNabb said Tuesday at Lehigh University. "That's because I'm a good friend of his and also we're guys that obviously compete to win the Super Bowl. We push each other. Now, I don't know exactly what happened in that situation, and I think for all of us that have read over the stuff that was over the Internet, the report, you look at it as kind of like, 'Wow, you've got your so-called friends and family members turning their back on you now to make their situation better.' They're throwing you under the bus so that they can clean their name. That's unfortunate. That goes to show, I always have a saying that I've always lived by: If you can't trust family, who can you trust? It's an unfortunate situation, and I just hope everything works out well for him where he can get back out on the field."



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Wait until the first time he goes into a game in a hostile site like Giants Stadium, they will boo Vick off the field.

Imagine the response he'll get on December 6th when the Eagles play the Falcons in Atlanta. I may buy a bunch of cases of giant inflatable middle fingers to sell outside of the Georgia Dome before the games.....  Silly



Quoting SW733 (Reply 20):
Yeah those Falcons are in a world of hurt. They did horrible last year. Oh wait, nope, they were 11-5, had multiple pro bowlers, and had a stud QB who won AP Offensive Rookie of the Year. The season before they were 4-12, but that is because they lost their QB and several other players...the fact that the QB left for prison has nothing to do with that record, I bet they would be 4-12 or close to it if they had lost him to free agency or a trade too.

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While Vick's actions are inexcusable, the fans in Atlanta had to suffer because of his actions. The suffering was one season, which when looking at the Falcons, is nothing new since in their history, they've never had back to back winning seasons. The team has moved on, most of the fans have moved on. Unfortunately, when the Eagles come to Atlanta in December, the main focus of the news stories regarding the game will be on Vick returning to the Georgia Dome. Turner could be leading the NFL in rushing and rushing TDs, Ryan could have the best QB rating and could be leading nearly all of the QB stat categories, but the focus will be on Vick.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:18 pm



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 26):
ESPN is no longer a sports network.It is becoming a hardcore news network

Oh puhleez, how do you figure that? Are they covering the healthcare meetings? How about the war on terror? That point makes absolutely no sense. Don't bash ESPN because they choose to cover the troubles of a man who was once the highes payed player ever in the NFL. Moreover, their job is to repor ton anything newsworthy involving sports, that does not make them a hardcore news network.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 27):
That's the doublestandard that rules the justice system today. Celebrities get off very easy for their crimes, while we civilians get the harshest of sentences. People like Michael Vick basically get their jobs back, while civilians with a criminal record don't get the same benefit.

Good Point, however I believe Vick did get the somewhere near the max for his crime. As for Stallworth, his time was dramatically reduced because he settled out of court. Also, when I think back now, people who drink and drive and kill somebody generally don't get that much time. There is a guy in my neighborhood who killed two people in a drinking and driving accident and he served 3 months in jail and got his liscense suspended for 2 years, Stallworth loses his forever.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:33 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 30):

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 26):
ESPN is no longer a sports network.It is becoming a hardcore news network

Oh puhleez, how do you figure that? Are they covering the healthcare meetings? How about the war on terror? That point makes absolutely no sense. Don't bash ESPN because they choose to cover the troubles of a man who was once the highes payed player ever in the NFL. Moreover, their job is to repor ton anything newsworthy involving sports, that does not make them a hardcore news network.

It was a general fustratation comment about the trouble with sports athletes worthy of that note.

In the past few weeks,ESPN has to report-

Vick
The baseball drug list
McNair murder
Boxers sucides and murders
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:45 pm



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 31):
In the past few weeks,ESPN has to report-

Vick
The baseball drug list
McNair murder
Boxers sucides and murders

Don't forget, they also like to self-promote a documentary they produced or an award show in their name...
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:41 pm



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 3):
A P.O.S. person for a P.O.S. city and P.O.S. team.

What a perfect match.

Very well said and I agree because he is a pos that did not deserve this in the first place.

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:09 am



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 19):
I'm looking forward to the NFL season

Why don't we just call it what it is..Instead of NFL it sould be TFL...THUG FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Same with NBA call it the TBA...There are more thugs and criminals in these 2 leagues than not...It's all about the money baby..Doesn't matter what you did they will take you back once you get out of jail....Falcons signed Vick for some cool $$$$$ I don't think he will be suffering too much longer.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:31 am



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 3):
but how ironic is it that he lands in one of the worst cities in the US.

Confusing Philly with Detroit and the hapless Lions?  Wink

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 5):
As a long-time Eagles fan, this just makes me sick.....

I feel your pain! After hearing that on the radio this morning, I wanted to throw up!

And to think that the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the other day insinuated that the Steelers were somewhat interested!! Oh, my finger would have been so far down my throat had that happened, that it... well nevermind!! UGH!! The fact that he's in the City of Brotherly Love is bad enough!

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:11 am

To me the real issues of dog fighting and Mr. Vick isn't just the obscene cruelity to the animals involved, but that it involves some serious and very illegal gambling as well as many with criminal records including criminal gang leaders/members, drug dealers and the like. Illegal gambling and hanging with criminals is something the NFL is quite sensitive about as it can affect the games outcomes.

It is well known that Michael Vick has some serious debt problems, in the millions, long before he got busted for dog fighting so he was in a bad situation. What if Vick got into a debt with another dog owner? Could he have made a bad pass, broke up a play intentionally, failed to get a timely first down to benefit someone who he owed $$$'s to place a bet with an illegal gambling operator, using a 'fix' to 'get paid'? That is something that can really destroy the intergetery of the game. Last year, we saw a NBA official get fired and is now facing jail for his making questionable play calls that affected games and betting on them. He did so as he was making illegal bets on games and owed monies to illegal gamblers.

That is the reasoning why I don't think Vick should have had the opportunity to return to the NFL.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:30 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Hell, while I'm mentioning baseball, how about the Pete Rose issue? A guy who gambled as a manager and was permanently banned from Baseball for this (and with good reason after the Black Sox Scandal that was the 1919 World Series). Except for people on SportsCenter (and perhaps A-Rod), I don't see anybody else complaining about this, not even Pete Rose himself.

Apples and oranges.....

Trying to compare Pete Rose betting on baseball and Mike Vick's financing/involvement in a dog fighting are really not the same. Now if Vick had involvement with some bookies, and perhaps was in some hot water with them and shaved some points and/or threw some games so these bookies could make some $$$, then we could compare the two on a more level playing field.

Betting on baseball was a well-known no-no by any player/manager/coach/team executive/etc., and is a written rule, Rule 21, part d.

Quote:
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.

Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.

There was no written NFL rule about dog fighting. It took the Vick situation, as well as the Adam "Pacman" Jones incidents to really get the NFL to tighten the code of conduct of their players. Plaxico Burris and Donte Stallworth are two players who are seeing the consequences of their actions under the stricter code of conduct. Vick got some shrapnel from it as well.

The only thing these two have in common is lying to their leagues. Pete Rose at first lied about his betting. He said that he did not bet on games involving the Cincinnati Reds, which was later shown to not be the case, and is what led to his permanent ban. Had he not bet on Reds game, he faced only a year's suspension per Rule 21. Vick lied early on about his involvement in the dog fighting when asked by the NFL.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:38 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):

I hope Andy Reid is ready for a fun-filled drama this year....

I don't recall Vick ever causing problems on the field. Reid can look to his own screwed up family if he needs a dose of drama this year.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 29):
McNabb has even publicly supported Vick.

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Vick will do great in Philly. I'm sort of glad he's not in a city where he'd be starting immediately and flashed around the light more.
 
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:16 pm

All right, I'm going to ignore most previous statements since I am short on time, so forgive me here but : Who gives a damn if Philly fans like it or not?

I think Eagles fans are the worst in the NFL. When their team is down, they all run and cry and say "trade this guy, trade that guy, get rid of the coach" more than any of the other 31 teams, but when they start winning, they jump on that band wagon faster than a gold digger on a billionaire. My opinion, but that's what I see Eagles fans as. The same babies who are crying today would give Vick a happy ending as soon as he won a game for them.

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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:22 pm



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 38):
I don't recall Vick ever causing problems on the field.

It does not matter. A players off the field conduct is just as microscoped as on the field.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 38):
Reid can look to his own screwed up family if he needs a dose of drama this year.

Which has nothing to do with the thread.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:13 pm



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 38):
I don't recall Vick ever causing problems on the field.

Like T.O. did?  Smile

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 38):
Reid can look to his own screwed up family if he needs a dose of drama this year.

hmmm...

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 40):
A players off the field conduct is just as microscoped as on the field.

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Just ask Plaxico Burress!! Need I say more?

Hell, forget him, how about just about any athlete for that matter. Granted, just about every athlete has off-the-field drama and baggage, but if you ask me, I'd go with folks who have the least amount of such baggage (i.e. T.O, Vick, Chad Ocho-Ego, etc) Athletes as such, IMO, just create a distraction for the rest of the team. If all they do pretty much is just create more drama, then their talent might as well not even matter.

Maybe I'm being too judgemental here, but I still don't think he'd be a good for this team, or just about anyone (well, ok, maybe in Oakland, MAYBE!). Maybe he can produce for the Eagles and help them towards that elusive first Lombardi Trophy. However, all we have to go by is his past. Sorry, but it's very hard for me to forgive Vick or anyone else for doing what he did. I just don't want to have someone like that to potentially be in a position to lead any team of mine...
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:14 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
There has to be others the Eagles could have chosen as a 'backup' QB without a Felony and very contervrsial criminal record as well as a better playing history as a QB than Michael Vick.

Um, but I don't see another quarterback who has the talent that Vick does. Off the field issues aside, the guy is a talented quarterback, and can also be used in other positions on the field such as halfback or wideout. In many cases, talent alone overshadows anything else.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Wait until the first time he goes into a game in a hostile site like Giants Stadium, they will boo Vick off the field.

Oh boo hoo. Everyone gets booed at some point. Look at Ramirez earlier this year when he returned from his suspension against the Mets. They'll get over it eventually.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Yes, they did. Like I said, in other leagues, such a crime would have meant the end of the person's career, period.

How about the NBA? Or other sports such as boxing, and even the NHL? Remember Dany Heatley, who plead guilty to vehicular homicide after killing his teammate in a car accident? He's still playing...

Quoting SW733 (Reply 20):
. They did horrible last year. Oh wait, nope, they were 11-5, had multiple pro bowlers, and had a stud QB who won AP Offensive Rookie of the Year.

But when Vick was all of a sudden out of the equation, the team hit a wall. I've been a Falcons fan for most of my life, but Vick's situation changed the perception of the team.

Last year was the year which the team finally gave up on Vick and went a different direction. The success was extraordinary.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 31):
In the past few weeks,ESPN has to report-

Vick
The baseball drug list
McNair murder
Boxers sucides and murders

Considering they all have something to do with sports, I don't see how you can have an issue with that.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 38):
I'm sort of glad he's not in a city where he'd be starting immediately and flashed around the light more.

I agree. I think his position on the field will be small, but could impact the way the Eagles play this year.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
The same babies who are crying today would give Vick a happy ending as soon as he won a game for them.

And we have a winner! If he has a game winning play, cheers will be seen all over the city of brotherly love!
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:43 pm

I hearrd Vick did pretty well in his first practice with the Eagles. People are saying hee hasn't lost a step and still has that cannon for an arm. My friend is an Eagles fan and it's funny how all the protestors claim they'll be there for all the home games, but I want to see how they plan to get into a raucus place like lincoln financial field on sunday gamedays. No one will even spit in their direction. Well maybe they will but just because people is going to want them to go away. Good luck to him.
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RE: Vick Signs With Eagles

Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:01 pm



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 42):
But when Vick was all of a sudden out of the equation, the team hit a wall. I've been a Falcons fan for most of my life, but Vick's situation changed the perception of the team.

It changed it for a year. One year. My family is in ATL, I talk Falcons Football quite often. And it wasn't just Vick that left that year. I grew up a Cubs fan...I would KILL for ONE bad sports season, not 101.

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