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British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:52 pm

First off...I am a shy person who is polite all the time...
Well I was Following my GPS from Manchester to London and The GPS put me in the left lane and it ended up to be the wrong way so at the lights I stopped and got near the other car in the right lane to merge in once the red light was gone...
The Passenger of this car Sai "Get F*cking back in the queue now"
I said "I'm really sorry I didn't mean to, The gps put me in the wrong lane"
And the Driver got out as if he was about to come after me and beat me up...
He got back in which I think was because the light went green...
I just think that I (Who doesn't go out much)
To be beaten up for a mistake is sickening...How do I get protection in the UK?
I need a gun or something but then if we all had guns he would have shot me already.
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:03 pm



Quoting FCA767 (Thread starter):
To be beaten up for a mistake is sickening...How do I get protection in the UK?
I need a gun or something but then if we all had guns he would have shot me already.

Quickly lock the doors of your car and have the windows up! Easy as long as your car has central locking so that you can lock up at the touch of one button..

The guy was a prick. People often find themselves in the wrong lane and most people, myself included, have no problem letting others get into their lane.
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:05 pm

Ok, in the U.S., if that guy did that to me, i'd drive him down, flip him off and then cut him off. As far as i'm concerned, he can chase me down all he wants and i'll just try to lose him. Road rage is an aggravating thing and if you do need a gun for protection, you should get one, people in the U.S. aren't shy about doing that.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:07 pm



Quoting Luke (Reply 1):
Quickly lock the doors of your car and have the windows up! Easy as long as your car has central locking so that you can lock up at the touch of one button..

The guy was a prick. People often find themselves in the wrong lane and most people, myself included, have no problem letting others get into their lane.

Funny thing was that I wound it down to explain...I shouldn't have done that but it was hard to drive off as an island at the fork of the road was there...
Yep More than a prick...Really Bad Chav...
Before this I would have taken every person with an open mind but now I am just hating anyone that looks like a yob or chav...I want bullet proof windows and tires that re-inflate...Or a body guard, your life is in the hands of someone else who can turn on you for absolutly nothing...
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:09 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
Ok, in the U.S., if that guy did that to me, i'd drive him down, flip him off and then cut him off.

LOL! That's what this guy did too.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:09 pm



Quoting FCA767 (Thread starter):
I need a gun or something

No, you just need to learn to drive properly.

If you can't manage to operate a car then the last thing you need is to be placed in charge of a firearm.

If you had just done the sensible thing and followed your lane in it's rightful direction and THEN sorted YOUR navigational problems out instead of causing chaos on a junction then you wouldn't have pissed the bloke off and you wouldn't be needing to get your knickers in a twist.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:10 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
Ok, in the U.S., if that guy did that to me, i'd drive him down, flip him off and then cut him off. As far as i'm concerned, he can chase me down all he wants and i'll just try to lose him. Road rage is an aggravating thing and if you do need a gun for protection, you should get one, people in the U.S. aren't shy about doing that.

Being 2 of them though...I started thinking on the 3 hour drive, if i wound my window up and he kicked it in then I could pull his foot in and just drive off, smash the side of his car etc...
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:11 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
Road rage is an aggravating thing



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
i'd drive him down, flip him off and then cut him off

Lol! Talk about road rage!
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:15 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
LOL! That's what this guy did too.

Thanks for the link

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 5):
If you had just done the sensible thing and followed your lane in it's rightful direction and THEN sorted YOUR navigational problems out instead of causing chaos on a junction then you wouldn't have pissed the bloke off and you wouldn't be needing to get your knickers in a twis

So you're saying he was right to beat me up? Well Thankyou...because I made a mistake
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:16 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
Road rage is an aggravating thing and if you do need a gun for protection, you should get one, people in the U.S. aren't shy about doing that.

The cure to road rage is a fun??, oh my and I thought setting the cruise control exactly to the speed limit was being naughty

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:16 pm

If you are a victim of road rage, you should NEVER try to get even with the other guy. The purpose of public roads is to move safely from A to B. Teaching some rude asshole a lesson is not necessary and may even put other drivers in harm's way. I'd have probably apologized to avoid any escalation and then continued on my way.

Far more worrying is how much drivers rely on GPS these days. The directions are usually accurate but I still take them with a grain of salt.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:20 pm



Quoting N867DA (Reply 10):
If you are a victim of road rage, you should NEVER try to get even with the other guy. The purpose of public roads is to move safely from A to B. Teaching some rude asshole a lesson is not necessary and may even put other drivers in harm's way. I'd have probably apologized to avoid any escalation and then continued on my way.

Far more worrying is how much drivers rely on GPS these days. The directions are usually accurate but I still take them with a grain of salt

Yep but the first thing I did was say sorry...and the other driver then got out...If it was the other way round, I would let the car in or if I felt they were pushing in then I would drive and someone would let them in as they would be at the side of me anyways.
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:20 pm



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 8):
So you're saying he was right to beat me up? Well Thankyou...because I made a mistake

!?!?! But he didn't beat you up!

If the guy really was pissed off enough to want to beat you up he's not going to let a green traffic light stop him - think about it for christ sake!

For all you know the guy was just getting out to have a stern word in your ear, and yet you have the ignorance to assume that just because he got out of his car he was going to beat you up! He might even have been getting out to see if you needed directions!

Stop wallowing in attention seeking self pity and suck it up son.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:23 pm



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 12):

!?!?! But he didn't beat you up!

If the guy really was pissed off enough to want to beat you up he's not going to let a green traffic light stop him - think about it for christ sake!

For all you know the guy was just getting out to have a stern word in your ear, and yet you have the ignorance to assume that just because he got out of his car he was going to beat you up! He might even have been getting out to see if you needed directions!

Stop wallowing in attention seeking self pity and suck it up son.

Go away now!!!
If you even read my post...
I said the Passenger was swearing alot and giving me evil looks and then the other guy got out really pumped up waiting to have a fight....I am talking here for therapy whether you like it or not...it's people like you that I hate too...if you're telling me to be open minded then why don't you!
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:26 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):

LOL! That's what this guy did too

LOL, difference is I wouldn't be riding a harley.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:36 pm



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 13):
Go away now!!!

Where do you suggest?

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 13):
I said the Passenger was swearing alot and giving me evil looks and then the other guy got out really pumped up waiting to have a fight....

People don't "wait" for a fight! If someone is going to rough you up a bit then they'll just get on with the job! The fact that the passenger was "allegedly" swearing at you and "giving you evil looks" means bugger all in the real world where the rest of us live.

Again, if something was going to happen it would have, otherwise it appears you're just being melodramatic, making a mountain out of a mole hill and trying your level best to get attention!

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 13):
I am talking here for therapy whether you like it or not

Sorry dude, but if you think this is the best place to get help with your problems then it's more than therapy you need. Personally I couldn't give a rat's arse what it is you're trying to do, but since this is an open forum and I've got time on my hands tonight I'm going to voice my opinion and call you on it!

Every now and again someone decides this is the best place to basque in their own self pity, and you should just think yourself lucky most of the old non-av crew have moved on to pastures new, because in their day they would have ripped you wide open and made my reaction look like affection and care!
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:43 pm

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 15):
Sorry dude, but if you think this is the best place to get help with your problems then it's more than therapy you need. Personally I couldn't give a rat's arse what it is you're trying to do, but since this is an open forum and I've got time on my hands tonight I'm going to voice my opinion and call you on it!

Every now and again someone decides this is the best place to basque in their own self pity, and you should just think yourself lucky most of the old non-av crew have moved on to pastures new, because in their day they would have ripped you wide open and made my reaction look like affection and care

Well that's just Pure Evil then! I am a good person and I need help, I come here...I have been thinking about this since this morning...It's been eating my heart all day...I have had anxiety and nearly crashed the car at the roundabout after not taking the exit getting flustered..I am very on the edge and you are no help!

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:47 pm

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 5):
No, you just need to learn to drive properly.

If you can't manage to operate a car then the last thing you need is to be placed in charge of a firearm.

If you had just done the sensible thing and followed your lane in it's rightful direction and THEN sorted YOUR navigational problems out instead of causing chaos on a junction then you wouldn't have pissed the bloke off and you wouldn't be needing to get your knickers in a twist.

There is really no need for that...

It's clear that FCA767 was given a bad or misleading instruction by his GPS. I have experienced this too. I don't think this makes anyone a bad driver. In the eyes of the DSA, a good driver is one who drives safely. There is no indication of any unsafe driving on his part...

FCA767, there's a lot of nasty people in this world. You will find them everywhere. My only advice is to ignore them. But equally, don't assume that they won't do anything. Do whatever is necessary to get yourself into a safe situation. (only use physical force in self defence) Obviously you had the protection of your car in this case, but if you were confronted like this on the street, the best thing to do would be to walk into a crowded environment (swhere you'd be less likely to be attacked.

I don't know what type of car you drive, but my car (previous model BMW 318) automatically locks the doors once the engine is turned on. At first, I thought this was unsafe, but apparently they will unlock automatically in the event of a crash. You may want to see if your car has a feature like this. (I know it can only be enabled at the dealer in many cases) Some may argue that this isn't necessary, but I think this depends entirely on where you drive. At the end of the day, it's another level of security.

This may seem very OTT, but I don't think it is. I've witnessed people being assaulted for absolutely no reason. Ever since then, I've put a lot more thought into what I do, where I go, and when.

- Rich

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:49 pm



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 5):
No, you just need to learn to drive properly.

How utterly ridiculous. EVERY driver makes a mistake once in a while. Why so offensive?

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 8):
So you're saying he was right to beat me up? Well Thankyou...because I made a mistake

Don't worry, just ignore that - it's totally unjustified.

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 12):
Stop wallowing in attention seeking self pity and suck it up son.

How about stopping with the unnecessary agression and stopping the justification of what was clearly an intimidating and threatening incident for no good reason?
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:01 pm



Quoting RichM (Reply 17):
I don't know what type of car you drive, but my car (previous model BMW 318) automatically locks the doors once the engine is turned on. At first, I thought this was unsafe, but apparently they will unlock automatically in the event of a crash. You may want to see if your car has a feature like this. (I know it can only be enabled at the dealer in many cases) Some may argue that this isn't necessary, but I think this depends entirely on where you drive. At the end of the day, it's another level of security.

This may seem very OTT, but I don't think it is. I've witnessed people being assaulted for absolutely no reason. Ever since then, I've put a lot more thought into what I do, where I go, and when.

Thanks  Smile I drive my mums Honda Jazz...Funnily enough I made a habit as soon as I stop near a traffic light I lock all the doors but I guess they could punch the window through...but just need something more...I won't go that route again where I'm confused...it was a weird maze of roads...

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
Don't worry, just ignore that - it's totally unjustified.

Thanks  Smile
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:01 pm

I have had a few rode rage incidents against me. One was not to long ago actually. Like you FCA767 i am a shy person but can stick up for myself.

I was driving from my girlfriends to my house and was driving past MAN airport. A car tried to overtake me on a blind bend and pulled back at the last minute. He then started swearing at me like is was my fault etc and was riding on my bumper. He then tried again on another corner, again pulling back due to a car coming. This infuriated him against me, for no reason at all. He lent out of his window and threw something and it hit my car, cracking my rear window. I pointed for him to pull over, but he was more preoccupied to sitting on my ass, so i touched my brakes and he skidded all over the place. I slowly came to a stop and got out. Like i said i will stand up for myself and im not having someone smashing my window. He then pulled up and in his hand he had this HUGE knife. I shit myself and obviously jumped in my car and drove off. This turned into a full on 80mh/130kph chase through housing estates etc. I could swear he was a nutter and as he was so close to my bumper i could tell he was on drugs of some sort. Luckily i managed to get onto the motorway, and having a faster car i have to admit i 'toyed' with him a little before burning him off. Luckily my car is registered through my company so he wont be able to find me and i have reported him to the police. No luck yet.

How could i defend myself. If he had come at me with the knife looking back i fancied my chances. He was mid 40's and grossly over weight. One thing i know for sure is if he attacked me and i could manage to turn that knife on him i would not have thought twice. But then i would get locked up for protecting myself. There is no justice.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:05 pm



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 22):
and in his hand he had this HUGE knife

wow

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 22):
I could swear he was a nutter

it sure sounds like it.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:07 pm



Quoting RichM (Reply 17):
There is really no need for that...

On the contrary, I think there is!

Quoting RichM (Reply 17):
There is no indication of any unsafe driving on his part...

Other than the fact that he tried to merge into another lane in in the middle of a busy signal controlled junction! Funnily enough I suspect that any DSA registered ADI (which I, incidentally, am) would consider that to be unsafe driving.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):

How utterly ridiculous. EVERY driver makes a mistake once in a while.

Blindly following a GPS instruction without thinking is a mistake, trying to merge into another lane in the middle of a signal controlled junction is what I would consider "dangerous driving".

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
How about stopping with the unnecessary agression and stopping the justification of what was clearly an intimidating and threatening incident for no good reason?

I'm not being even slightly aggressive, in fact I'm as calm as a Hindu cow! Secondly, I have not tried even once to justify the "alleged" actions of the driver in question, in fact I've made a point of ignoring the issue as best I can, and trying to find other ways of explaining the situation and the subsequest (IMHO) misappropriation of the drama by the opening poster.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:12 pm



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 22):

I was driving from my girlfriends to my house and was driving past MAN airport. A car tried to overtake me on a blind bend and pulled back at the last minute. He then started swearing at me like is was my fault etc and was riding on my bumper. He then tried again on another corner, again pulling back due to a car coming. This infuriated him against me, for no reason at all. He lent out of his window and threw something and it hit my car, cracking my rear window. I pointed for him to pull over, but he was more preoccupied to sitting on my ass, so i touched my brakes and he skidded all over the place. I slowly came to a stop and got out. Like i said i will stand up for myself and im not having someone smashing my window. He then pulled up and in his hand he had this HUGE knife. I shit myself and obviously jumped in my car and drove off. This turned into a full on 80mh/130kph chase through housing estates etc. I could swear he was a nutter and as he was so close to my bumper i could tell he was on drugs of some sort. Luckily i managed to get onto the motorway, and having a faster car i have to admit i 'toyed' with him a little before burning him off. Luckily my car is registered through my company so he wont be able to find me and i have reported him to the police. No luck yet.

How could i defend myself. If he had come at me with the knife looking back i fancied my chances. He was mid 40's and grossly over weight. One thing i know for sure is if he attacked me and i could manage to turn that knife on him i would not have thought twice. But then i would get locked up for protecting myself. There is no justice.

Woah! I would be all nervous...I hate big guys...well everyone is bigger than me...and just anyone who I see in their car who looks menacing like today, I wouldn't want to get out, so hats off to you...It just makes you realise that even other members of the public in the queue wouldn't have got out to help...I've seen a program recently where fights were shown on tv like 3 on 1 and no-one even bothering to help...its just a very dangerous place...Something before today that I didn't think about alot...I thought these things were isolated to Clubs on a drunken altercation like both parties calling eachother names...but I realise now that it can happen for no apparent reason
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:17 pm



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 24):
I'm not being even slightly aggressive

It certainly doesn't read that way. It reads as bullying and rudeness. Different people react in different ways to intimidation and threatening behaviour, particularly when they are not used to it. There was no need to try and belittle the guy and get on his case so much when he was obviously freaked out by the incident.

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 24):
Blindly following a GPS instruction without thinking is a mistake, trying to merge into another lane in the middle of a signal controlled junction is what I would consider "dangerous driving".

It must be nice for you, being the only perfect driver in the entire world.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:22 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 26):
It must be nice for you, being the only perfect driver in the entire world.

If the best reply you can manage is something of that level of originality than I doubt there's much point in trying to engage you in a reasoned discussion about the issue.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:29 pm



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 27):
I doubt there's much point in trying to engage you in a reasoned discussion about the issue.

Reasoned? All I have read in your posts so far is derogatory belittlement of the guy's experience, which obviously frightened him. I don't really call that constructive or reasoned. Anyway, it is clear so far you are in a minority of one here so I don't think it's a great loss to the thread if we discontinue discussion.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 25):
.I thought these things were isolated to Clubs on a drunken altercation like both parties calling eachother names...but I realise now that it can happen for no apparent reason

Yup. Unfortunately, although rare, violence and threatening behaviour can come out of nowhere and for no good reason. It is not worth letting this prospect bother you, life is too short for that. Just try and figure out how you might handle a similar situation in the future.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:41 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
Ok, in the U.S., if that guy did that to me, i'd drive him down, flip him off and then cut him off.

Which accomplishes what for you?
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:46 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
if you do need a gun for protection, you should get one, people in the U.S. aren't shy about doing that.

Sorry, this is the UK being discussed here, carrying a firearm here is illegal. And as the OP rightly pointed out having firearms involved can make a bad situation a lot worse.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 3):
I want bullet proof windows and tires that re-inflate

Suggest you get onto Rolls-Royce, Maybach, Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac etc and ask for their Special Vehicles department. Hope you've got $$$$.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 25):
I hate big guys

Nothing like a sweeping generalisation (one of many in this thread I hasten to add). At 6'2 and 15 stone I could take offence  Smile

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 25):

Or stay home, lock the doors, use the internet to work, socialise and order food. Then you don't need to worry about meeting the tiny fraction of the worlds population who lack the manners, education, ability or humanity to rub along just fine with everyone else.

I think some of the response to your OP have been harsh but you need to get a sense of perspective on all this, I drove 600 miles in the UK today and found courteous and polite drivers almost everywhere. Not everyone who drives a car in the UK is a potential maniac!

Driving hint: I believe the UK Highway Code (which you no doubt studied if you have taken the UK Driving Theory Test) advises that, if you are in the wrong lane in the way that you described, rather than try to cut across lanes, you continue in your direction of travel and look to correct your mistake later when it is safe and legal to do so. A GPS helps here - the whole point is that it will recalculate your route when/if you go wrong - I should know, my GPS spends 90% of its time recalculating for my errors!

Just my tuppence.

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:25 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Which accomplishes what for you?

Retaliation, I know I would hate it if anyone ever did that to me, so I figure that's how anyone feels

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 22):
I was driving from my girlfriends to my house and was driving past MAN airport. A car tried to overtake me on a blind bend and pulled back at the last minute. He then started swearing at me like is was my fault etc and was riding on my bumper. He then tried again on another corner, again pulling back due to a car coming. This infuriated him against me, for no reason at all. He lent out of his window and threw something and it hit my car, cracking my rear window. I pointed for him to pull over, but he was more preoccupied to sitting on my ass, so i touched my brakes and he skidded all over the place. I slowly came to a stop and got out. Like i said i will stand up for myself and im not having someone smashing my window. He then pulled up and in his hand he had this HUGE knife. I shit myself and obviously jumped in my car and drove off. This turned into a full on 80mh/130kph chase through housing estates etc. I could swear he was a nutter and as he was so close to my bumper i could tell he was on drugs of some sort. Luckily i managed to get onto the motorway, and having a faster car i have to admit i 'toyed' with him a little before burning him off. Luckily my car is registered through my company so he wont be able to find me and i have reported him to the police. No luck yet.

How could i defend myself. If he had come at me with the knife looking back i fancied my chances. He was mid 40's and grossly over weight. One thing i know for sure is if he attacked me and i could manage to turn that knife on him i would not have thought twice. But then i would get locked up for protecting myself. There is no justice.

I would have been scared too, but gladly we have the right to carry a firearm here in the U.S. which is sometimes better than a knife.

Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 30):
Sorry, this is the UK being discussed here, carrying a firearm here is illegal. And as the OP rightly pointed out having firearms involved can make a bad situation a lot worse.

But it still doesn't lower gun crimes does it? What people need to realize is that the ones using the guns for murder, aren't the ones who get them legally (most of the time), therefore the right to bear arms has it's uses and a lot of people in this country have no problem with arming themselves.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:05 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 29):

But it still doesn't lower gun crimes does it? What people need to realize is that the ones using the guns for murder, aren't the ones who get them legally (most of the time), therefore the right to bear arms has it's uses and a lot of people in this country have no problem with arming themselves.

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 redflag  I call BS

"In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b)."

And from wikipedia:
England & Wales: percent of homicides using firearms-8
gun homicide rate per 100,000 people: 0.12

United States percent of homicides using firearms 65
gun homicide rate per 100,000 people: 2.97

Thats about 25 times higher rate in the US.

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:05 am

So, you were following your GPS, which put you in the wrong lane. You then decided to try and cut across the junction. Another driver took exception to this, and decided to give you a bit of verbal abuse. This in your mind then becomes nearly a severe beating.
Next time either take the wrong turn, and then get back on the correct route using a map (I believe they still sell them at petrol stations) or even better take a bus. As to needing therapy due to this, you probably needed it anyway.
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:48 am

FCA767 - just be glad you don't drive here in the Gulf. You've never seen anything like it.

Traffic is barely policed at all - they just clear up the mess after what are often horrific smashes.

People switching lanes at junctions like you did happens all the time. In your case it was a mistake (I would have carried on and turned around later out of courtesy to other drivers) - but here in he Gulf where we drive on the right, it is not uncommon for someone in the right hand lane to cut across everyone else to do a u-turn to the left! People are rude, ignorant and drive aggressively and irresponsibly - every day I just want to beat the shit out of these people but in this part of the world local people can do whatever they like and if you react even by waving your fist or flicking them a finger you are likely to end up in jail followed by deportation.

I am not an aggressive person and consider myself a courteous road user. I do drive fast, but I drive safely. However, when faced with some of the morons I encounter on the roads every single day without exception, I can understand how road rage happens. The only problem here is that you simply can not react. I'd love to see some of these guys drive like this in the UK and see what reactions they get there!
 
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:48 am

Although Gordon’s comments were harsh, I agree with him. It seems that you, FCA767, are making too much deal out of this.
I think I wouldn’t dare to drive on the roads of the UK with you having a gun.

As a cyclist, I sometimes get road-raged on. Mind you, I have no protection at all on bicycle, and it’s really easy to drive into me or push me to make me fall and hurt myself badly (even in worse cases, just simply kill me). I just live with it, and always try to be polite.
Yes, you seem to have been polite in your scenario, and the guy did not try to beat you up or anything. He went again into his car. And as mentioned before, if he wanted to do something to you, he would most certainly just do it.

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:05 am



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 28):
Driving hint: I believe the UK Highway Code (which you no doubt studied if you have taken the UK Driving Theory Test) advises that, if you are in the wrong lane in the way that you described, rather than try to cut across lanes, you continue in your direction of travel and look to correct your mistake later when it is safe and legal to do so. A GPS helps here - the whole point is that it will recalculate your route when/if you go wrong - I should know, my GPS spends 90% of its time recalculating for my errors!

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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 31):
Next time either take the wrong turn, and then get back on the correct route using a map (I believe they still sell them at petrol stations) or even better take a bus. As to needing therapy due to this, you probably needed it anyway.

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Whilst the behaviour of the other driver was unacceptable, poor or dangerous driving cannot and should not be blamed on a GPS device.

I'm tired of seeing drivers reversing on motorways or dual carriageways, putting me in danger because of their poor planning. If you take a wrong turn, suck it up and re-plan your route.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 16):
I have had anxiety and nearly crashed the car at the roundabout after not taking the exit getting flustered..

Perhaps you should have stopped the car and calmed down before driving again if you were so flustered? I suggest public transport may be the best option for you. And if you still feel vulnerable, perhaps a can of farbgel.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:53 am



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 26):
Yup. Unfortunately, although rare, violence and threatening behaviour can come out of nowhere and for no good reason. It is not worth letting this prospect bother you, life is too short for that. Just try and figure out how you might handle a similar situation in the future.

I will try something different...not going that route again where the roads are confusing...  Smile

Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 28):
Suggest you get onto Rolls-Royce, Maybach, Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac etc and ask for their Special Vehicles department. Hope you've got $$$$

I'll ask Alan Sugar  Smile

Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 28):
Nothing like a sweeping generalisation (one of many in this thread I hasten to add). At 6'2 and 15 stone I could take offence

Yeah but Everyone is bigger than me anyways  Smile Maybe I should just say Male's scare me  Smile There are good big guys too but when they come at you like that guy in the car it is scary...

Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 28):
Or stay home, lock the doors, use the internet to work, socialise and order food. Then you don't need to worry about meeting the tiny fraction of the worlds population who lack the manners, education, ability or humanity to rub along just fine with everyone else

I practically already do that...I go out for an hour walk arond the paths...then go back to the computer to work...
I go out about once a month...Ocassional big outing...trying to do more but money problems, I would go and see my friend more 50 miles away if I earnt more, which I am sorting out now  Smile

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 32):
People switching lanes at junctions like you did happens all the time. In your case it was a mistake (I would have carried on and turned around later out of courtesy to other drivers) - but here in he Gulf where we drive on the right, it is not uncommon for someone in the right hand lane to cut across everyone else to do a u-turn to the left! People are rude, ignorant and drive aggressively and irresponsibly - every day I just want to beat the shit out of these people but in this part of the world local people can do whatever they like and if you react even by waving your fist or flicking them a finger you are likely to end up in jail followed by deportation.

In St Martin, that was ok, lots of people beeping but it was like 1 beep to let you out and 2 beeps to say thankyou...The first few days we were wandering why everyone was beeping us all the time lol...that was quite an experience...

I only pulled up to that guy and had my indicator on for any cars behind that would like to let me in so I don't know why anyone would get annoyed...

Quoting BananaBoY (Reply 34):
Perhaps you should have stopped the car and calmed down before driving again if you were so flustered? I suggest public transport may be the best option for you. And if you still feel vulnerable, perhaps a can of farbgel.

But the car behind drove past aswell and another youth Started at me too...and I just wanted to get away from it all quickly...
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:22 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 29):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Which accomplishes what for you?

Retaliation

Again, what exactly does that accomplish?

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:05 pm

I love people that miss there turn or exit and do something crazy. They cause a huge mess when they could simply turn around or go to the next exit. Some people just can't think more then a second a head of what is going on.
 
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:50 pm



Quoting N229NW (Reply 30):

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Thanks for that, you saved me a load of time researching the salient facts!
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:51 pm



Quoting Vapar8 (Reply 37):
I love people that miss there turn or exit and do something crazy. They cause a huge mess when they could simply turn around or go to the next exit. Some people just can't think more then a second a head of what is going on.

Hmm, except that trying to filter into another lane with your indicator on is not exactly 'crazy'.
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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:06 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 39):
Hmm, except that trying to filter into another lane with your indicator on is not exactly 'crazy'.

No, but it can be the wrong thing to do if there's a lot of traffic. If your GPS directs you to the wrong lane, that's a pain, but it doesn't grant you license to cut everyone else off in an attempt to rectify the error, even if you have your indicator on. Ultimately, you are responsible for where you take the car, not the GPS. If you can't get into the lane you need, then you just have to proceed where the lane leads you, and then turn around and get back on the correct road when it's possible to do so. Not really a big deal.

And if you are trying to merge into a lane of traffic, regardless of the reason, you can expect some of the drivers behind you, who have been waiting their turn, to get irritated. That's just the way it is, and you shouldn't take it personally.

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RE: British Thugs Road Rage

Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:09 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 40):
No, but it can be the wrong thing to do if there's a lot of traffic. If your GPS directs you to the wrong lane, that's a pain, but it doesn't grant you license to cut everyone else off in an attempt to rectify the error, even if you have your indicator on. Ultimately, you are responsible for where you take the car, not the GPS. If you can't get into the lane you need, then you just have to proceed where the lane leads you, and then turn around and get back on the correct road when it's possible to do so. Not really a big deal.

And if you are trying to merge into a lane of traffic, regardless of the reason, you can expect some of the drivers behind you, who have been waiting their turn, to get irritated. That's just the way it is, and you shouldn't take it personally.

You are right to a point, but it doesn't sound like he was trying to force his way in or anything. It is certainly less than ideal to try and do this, but as I said earlier, we all make mistakes once in a while and getting lost can be stressful. Either way, certainly didn't deserve such an aggressive response.
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