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Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:44 am

I have been doing a little reading on HRM Queen Elizabeth II and read that she loves horses. I guess I always knew that but does she enjoy horse racing and has she ever attended The Kentucky Derby the first weekend of May every year in Louisville, KY, USA?
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:50 am

Yes, in 2007. Her visit was filmed as part of the documentary Monarchy: The Royal Family at Work.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:02 am


She loves doggies too!

 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:28 am

The Queen likes horses, dogs and also gardening.

She looks jolly good for her age.

2012 will be her 60 years of reign.
The longest living Monarch on Earth along with the King of Thailand.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:02 am

And she loves fixing mechanical things. As a young woman, towards the end of WW2, she enlisted, against the wish of her parents, in the women´s branch of the British Army (the Auxiliary Territorial Service, short ATS) and got trained there as a driver / mechanic. After training she served as a truck driver. This also explains the connection she and her husband have wth WW2 veterans. Her husband served in combat as a naval officer on destroyers., so both are military veterans themselves.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:25 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
And she loves fixing mechanical things

Somehow, I doubt if she's ever had a wrench in her hand since those publicity photos back in the early 40's.

She's been on the throne since I was a little kid and in all those years she has never really seriously screwed up once, that I can recall. I think when she dies it will be the end of an era. We'll probably put her in the same category as Queen Victoria.

I don't see the next "King of Canada" lasting for too long, at least as head of state here in the Great White North.
 
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Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:49 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 2):
She loves doggies too!

LOL, that's Helen Mirren.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:49 am

Changing subjects slightly, when HRM needs to travel abroad, who flies The Queen and her staffers? The RAF? BA? I have always wondered about that.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:50 am

I think I read somewhere that it depends on the country.
Since she's the queen of other countries besides the UK (Canada, Australia... the "Commonwealth Realms"), if it's Canadian business she would be transported in a Canadian Polaris and so with the other countries.

But then again, I read that a long ago and I'm really sleepy right now, might not be true.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:15 pm

Reply 5, no she did serve for real.
Hence she had no problems with her son Andrew going with his naval helicopter unit to the Falklands war, or her grandson more recently in Afghanistan, until the media compromised that.

The man she would marry, as MD-11 stated, was a Naval officer, some say had he not married into the Royal Family he could have gone a long way in his career.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:23 pm



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 7):
Changing subjects slightly, when HRM needs to travel abroad, who flies The Queen and her staffers? The RAF? BA? I have always wondered about that.

When she came here to Hampton Roads for the 400th anniversary of the Jamestown settlement it was via a BA 777. Parked right on the ramp next to our C-12 King Airs. Pretty neat to see, wish I had my digi cam in the car that day!
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:45 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
Reply 5, no she did serve for real.
Hence she had no problems with her son Andrew going with his naval helicopter unit to the Falklands war, or her grandson more recently in Afghanistan, until the media compromised that.

The man she would marry, as MD-11 stated, was a Naval officer, some say had he not married into the Royal Family he could have gone a long way in his career.

Actually a few years ago I met a Canadian WW2 veteran, who served in the Queen´s Own Rifles of Canada. During the build up for the Normandy invasions he, a sergeant back then, was mostly on convoy duty in the UK on a motorcycle.
He told me that one day a lieutenant and himself were accompanying an American convoy of huge tank transporters, which were bringing a load of Sherman tanks northwards to some destination in Englandb on a narrow road. The drivers were all black Americans ("They didn´t have power steering back then and the drivers had arms as thick as my legs!"). Sudenly an order came for the convoy to get off the road since another convoy was coming down the opposite direction. Obviously the drivers of the tank transports were not too happy at the thought of having to dig their trucks and trailers out of the muddy fields and the mood became bad. The veteran told me that he sent his lieutenant away (" I just told him to drive up to the next village and have a cup of tea while I´ll sort out he mess"). The Canadian sergeant, who got along well with the GIs, convinced them that they had to drive into thev fields on higher orders.
The reason was that one of the drivers of the opposing convoy was the future Queen and that it was ordered from well up the chain of command that she shouldn´t be obstructed. Now, I assume that she didn´t even knew about this order and that it was given by some colonel or higher rank, who wanted to suck up to the royal family.
The sergeant said that it took them several hours to get the trucks back on the road.
The sergeant later suffered a bad accident just a few weeks before D-day and after he recovered, was made instructor for motorcycle dispatch riders in the UK.
At the memorial event I met him in the Netherlands, he was wearing his old uniform from 1945, which still fitted him perfectly!

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:52 am

In 1945, Elizabeth accompanied her parents on visits to Commonwealth service personnel, and began to carry out solo duties, such as reviewing a parade of Canadian airwomen.[16] She joined the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service, as No. 230873 Second Subaltern Elizabeth Windsor. She trained as a driver and mechanic, drove a military truck, and rose to the rank of Junior Commander.[22] She is, at present, "the only living head of state who served in uniform during World War II".[23]

At the end of the war in Europe, on Victory in Europe Day, Elizabeth and her sister mingled anonymously with the celebratory crowds in the streets of London.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:44 pm

Last time she visited New Zealand NZ flew her down on a 747, they converted the first class cabin into an apartment for her.

She's been a good Monarch, however I don't think Chuck should take the throne after she pops off, William should take over, if not I don't see it (the Monarchy) lasting much longer.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:19 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
She's been a good Monarch, however I don't think Chuck should take the throne after she pops off, William should take over, if not I don't see it (the Monarchy) lasting much longer.

- Just my opinion but I think a lot of Americans like the Queen herself but do not like Charles much. And I think it should be William over his Pop.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:34 pm

Whoever comes after her, I hope this will not be any time soon, whether Charles or William, none will be able to match her. The Queen has too much History to even think of being equalled.

In 1946 the King of Thailand, His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej, came to the throne. He is now the longest reigning monarch in the world.

Yet there is no doubt that Queen Elizabeth II is the world's last living Historical figure.

Things will never be the same again after she is gone. She is very healthy and keeping well and I think she still has many years ahead of her. Also she is very much loved and admired the whole world over.

I hope she will outlive Jeanne Calment. 123 would be a good age for her to reach.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:20 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Last time she visited New Zealand NZ flew her down on a 747, they converted the first class cabin into an apartment for her.

That would be congruent with I had read.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:49 pm



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 7):
HRM

Ahem, it is Her Majesty or Her Britannic Majesty. What is HRM?
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:42 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
I assume that she didn´t even knew about this order and that it was given by some colonel or higher rank, who wanted to suck up to the royal family.

Many years ago - 1972 - I served with the son of a US senator in the Navy.

In 2003, my son's unit in 3rd Infantry which captured the Baghdad Airport included the son of a US congressman.

It is very seldom a desire or a colonel or other officer to suck up to the family, royal or political, but more a case of self-preservation.

If you are the officer in command of a convoy, and the potentially future queen is one of the drivers, you are danged well going to do everything you can to minimize the chances of an accident.

Because the investigation is going to be lengthy, detailed and any thing you did not do to ensure that safety is going to be criticized.

My son said his battalion commander - LtCol - spoke to the congressman's son one day after the unit had lost four people from an IED. Something along the line of "From now on, you stay by my side. I don't want any of my men injured or killed, but I sure the heck don't want to have to face an investigation by Congress as to why you were hurt and I was not."
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:05 pm

This must have been a serious problem for Prince Harry´s commander in Afghanistan. Harry, as an army lieutenant, wanted to do the job he was trained to do, to lead an armoured reconnaisance platoon in combat and gebnerally "be one of the boys", and keep being respected by his comrades (which he wouldn´t be if he would have stayed somewhere safe in the rear, while his friends bled). This necessarily means that he will be exposed tto enemy fire, danger and possibly capture.
In fact the Taliban put a prize on his head, he would have made a good hostage for them.
His whereabouts were kept secret and he was assigned to a Ghurka Rifles unit, which was less likely to be penetrated by British tabloid press (the Gurkhas have a reputation to uphold and stick together, this includes the British members of their units). Also, in a rare move, the British press agreed to keep mum.
IRCC, his location was finaly revealed by some foreign journalists, upon which the Taliban zeroed in on his unit. To protect the other soldiers, it was eventually decided to send him home, much to his disappointment.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:24 pm



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 18):
I served with the son of a US senator in the Navy.



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 18):
included the son of a US congressman.

These people aren't anything in the scheme of things and shouldn't be treated any different from any other serving soldier, whereas Harry or William are a completely different kettle of fish.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:31 am

Why this persistence in referring to the Queen as Queen Elizabeth II?

As her head of state title is...Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, her Dominions and Dependencies, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

There has never been a previous Queen Elizabeth bearing that title. There was a Queen Elizabeth of England, Wales and Ireland who reigned from 1558-1603 but not of the UK.
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Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:55 pm



Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, her Dominions and Dependencies, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

This is how Cunard should name their next QE.
It would have a lot more meaning than "QE3".
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:03 am



Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
Why this persistence in referring to the Queen as Queen Elizabeth II?

For god's sake, does it really matter on an aviation website's off-topic forum?
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:36 am



Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
Why this persistence in referring to the Queen as Queen Elizabeth II?

I would have thought that was obvious... she is the second Queen to bear the name Elizabeth, and therefore is Queen Elizabeth II. Just like the eight Henry was Henry VIII and the sixth George was George VI... kinda simple when you think about it!
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:51 am



Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 24):
kinda simple when you think about it!


I'm all in favour of keeping it simple but I think I understand where some honourable members may be going with this, perhaps not being happy with an England-centric monarchy-naming system.

Before Queen Elizabeth I 's successor was James I of England, wasn't he James VI of Scotland? So what did they call James II (of England) in Scotland?
 
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Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 25):
I'm all in favour of keeping it simple but I think I understand where some honourable members may be going with this, perhaps not being happy with an England-centric monarchy-naming system.

I'm kinda with you now. James II of England was James VII of Scotland, and it wasn't until 1707, with the Reign of Queen Anne that the Act of Settlement came in to effect which brought about the forming of Great Britain.
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:43 am



Quoting TG992 (Reply 23):
does it really matter on an aviation website's off-topic forum?

Her Majesty likes airplanes.
Concorde piqued her interest.

She has finally ordered her own plane and had the interior fitted to her own taste and needs.
I hope she will get it soon. I wonder how they will name this most special aircraft.  Confused
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:10 am



Quoting TG992 (Reply 23):


Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
Why this persistence in referring to the Queen as Queen Elizabeth II?

For god's sake, does it really matter on an aviation website's off-topic forum?

Well I don't think it belongs in the aviation forum! I would have thought this is what an off-topic forum is for.

As I am Scottish born but now NZ resident it is very relevant, as I stated before there has never been a Queen Elizabeth of the UK (or of NZ) before. so how can the current Queen be termed Queen Elizabeth II?

Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 24):
I would have thought that was obvious... she is the second Queen to bear the name Elizabeth,

Not of the United Kingdom she isn't, Elizabeth Tudor, daughter of King Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn was never Queen of Scotland, only England and Ireland. Her rule ended 104 years before the Act of Union. In fact the ordinal numbers of William III & VI and Edward VII & VIII were also incorrect as they are based on the previous rule of monarchs who ruled over England alone and not the Union. If previous rule before the union is valid then James I and II should be VI and VII as there were 5 previous King James of Scotland.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:50 pm

To enlarge on MD-11's point ref Harry, a well known (that is journalists surf the site a lot and quote from it) website with many UK forces members, knew of Harry's deployment.
That is the webmasters and many of the members.
They all kept quiet until those other media sources blew his cover.

The previous year, he had not been able to go to Iraq, however as one pundit, who had spent years in the army including as a Battalion Commander, pointed out that every time they did a Northern Ireland tour, at least some could not go.
Since for a variety of reasons around security, it was felt that they or more usually, their families, could be possibly be put in more danger.
By having family links in either the North or more rarely the Irish Republic, might cause this.

Many from either Northern Ireland and those with links with Eire did go, but it was based on individuals, usually from intel, not a blanket policy.
 
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:24 pm



Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 5):
at least as head of state here in the Great White North.

Considering the untold billions it would take to change Canada into a republic, I highly doubt it will happen in the near future.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 8):
Canadian business she would be transported in a Canadian Polaris

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RE: Queen Elizabeth II And Horses

Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:11 am



Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
As her head of state title is...Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, her Dominions and Dependencies, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

Actually, that's outdated, the term "Dominions" is no longer used, and I don't believe "Dependencies" is either, at least not in reference to Bermuda, etc., which are now "British Overseas Territories.".

I believe the current version for the UK is: "Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her Other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith." Additional titles relevant to the event (e.g. "Colonel-in-Chief of...", "Patron of...", etc., can be added at the end.

There used to be a longer version which instead of "of her Other Realms and Territories Queen" went (IIRC) "Queen of Canada, Queen of Australia and New Zealand, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen...", but I haven't heard it for many, many years.

The current form is to use a local version in each of the Commonwealth Realms based on the UK version, but substituting the local realm at the appropriate point. Some leave off the "Queen" after "Other Realms and Territories". Many Realms have removed "Defender of the Faith." If Wikipedia is correct, Papua New Guinea also omits "by the Grace of God."

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
There has never been a previous Queen Elizabeth bearing that title. There was a Queen Elizabeth of England, Wales and Ireland who reigned from 1558-1603 but not of the UK.

True - I remember back when the reformed Scottish Parliament was being created there was a debate over whether the Queen would be referred to as "Queen Elizabeth" or "Queen Elizabeth the Second" on Scottish bills. However, since there is no separate "Kingdom of Scotland", that's technically not right either. And while it would be correct in the Commonwealth Realms to leave off the "Second", it's just clumsy.
 
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:25 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 29):
To enlarge on MD-11's point ref Harry, a well known (that is journalists surf the site a lot and quote from it) website with many UK forces members, knew of Harry's deployment.
That is the webmasters and many of the members.

The site owners gave the members a strict warning that the Princes had the same right for privacy and personal security as any other soldier and gave a stern warning that any post revealing confidential information would be deleted and that the relevant person "would be left with the mess Webley .455 for company" (basically a threat of serious consequences within the British forces. In the old days a disgraced officer was expected given the mess revolver and left alone, he was expected to shoot himself to regain some honour).

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