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UNM To Upgrade PCs To Vista In Spring 2010 - Why?

Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:27 pm

Well, today, the Fall 2009 UNM semester began. I noticed that new Dell Optiplex 760 PCs with Intel Core 2 Duo processors have been introduced at some of the computer pods.

Anyway, from what I was told, in the Spring 2010 semester, UNM will be upgrading all of the PCs at all pods to Windows Vista. This is despite the fact that Windows 7 will already be available by the time.

So, why would UNM upgrade to Vista in the Spring of 2010, if Windows 7 is supposed to fix most of Vista's issues? It seems like a no-brainer to skip Vista and upgrade directly to Windows 7. Windows 7 is actually supposed to be lighter on hardware than Vista and should run faster.

I personally am skipping Vista and have already preordered Windows 7.
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RE: UNM To Upgrade PCs To Vista In Spring 2010 - Why?

Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:58 pm

I agree, hell use XP pro and save even more. It's a great dependable OS.
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RE: UNM To Upgrade PCs To Vista In Spring 2010 - Why?

Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:09 pm

I guess this could have to do with the fact that Vista licences are much cheaper to acquire by that time. So, even though the more reliable and stable Windows 7 will have been released at that time, it's still pretty expensive to acquire a licence for it, and since Windows XP is no longer available, the only logical option would be to opt for the by then cheaper Windows Vista.
 
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RE: UNM To Upgrade PCs To Vista In Spring 2010 - Why?

Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:24 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
if Windows 7 is supposed to fix most of Vista's issues?

Does it really fix the issues? Which large corporate or educational institution case study says so?

Are there drivers available with Windows 7 for all the various devices used at UNM?

Next spring Windows Vista will be three years old - a great many companies and other large users do not consider upgrading their OS until 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 years after the OS is rolled out.

SP2 was released last May. There are a lot of places who will not start testing an OS upgrade until SP2 is released of the OS.

Until recently, I worked in a world wide company with servers in over 80 countries. By and large they have maybe 25% of the US based desktops/ laptops up to Vista now. Drivers and incompatible legacy apps are the main reason to not upgrade.

The company has 40 computers running Windows 7 right now, but does not plan a project to build a Windows 7 image until CY 2011 (they really don't use images any more since XP, instead scripted OS installs)

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
I guess this could have to do with the fact that Vista licences are much cheaper to acquire by that time.

If UNM has a volume licensing plan, there will not be a cost difference.
 
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Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 3):
Are there drivers available with Windows 7 for all the various devices used at UNM?

According to Microsoft, everything that works in Vista will work in Windows 7. Furthermore, some devices that work in XP but not Vista will work in Windows 7.
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
According to Microsoft, everything that works in Vista will work in Windows 7. Furthermore, some devices that work in XP but not Vista will work in Windows 7.

I can attest to that, I have Win7, and it is by and large much better than vista. Most 'XP Only' programs run just fine in Win7, in fact I have yet to find anything that doesn't work in Win7.

To the OP: It's probably because UNM doesn't want to risk being a guinea pig, if Win7 turns to out to have some huge security holes. I hope for my sake that's not the case tho.


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Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:19 am

Here is a response that I got from UNM's IT division:

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Hi Chris,

Very good question. This essentially boils down to testing- we have been testing all of the UNM and UNM-related systems with Vista since just after it was released. That being said, we are nearing the completion of these tests and that is why it will be rolled out across campus. Granted, Windows 7 is supposed to fix the issues seen in Vista, we have yet to be able to test our systems with the production version of Windows 7. Once that is released, we begin testing with that operating system to make sure that everything works as it should- once that is done we should be switching to Windows 7.

Please let us know if you have further questions.
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I'm guessing this is a good reason. However, I wouldn't expect the testing to take as long for Windows 7 as it did with Vista, so perhaps UNM won't be with Vista for a very long time.
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:24 am



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
I wouldn't expect the testing to take as long for Windows 7 as it did with Vista

That depends on two things - issues discovered and staff budget/priority

At my old company folks were so happy with XP that the priority to move to Vista was low, only when the pressure was to move to Office 2007 did the staff time and money become available to update inhouse apps so that they would work with Office 2007, and we made Vista compatability a testing requirement.

Earlier someone mentioned everything which works on Vista is supposed to work on Windows 7. I've been running Windows 7 for about 8 months now, through various builds, including RC on two computers now.

I know for certain there are several devices, printers, scanners, game controllers - all of which work well on Vista which do NOT work with Windows 7 yet.

The game controllers are a problem because even new devices have OS specific cheats to get better performance, so the hardware developer must update their firmware to work with Windows 7.

The other devices are mostly older items which do not meet newer driver signing standards.

In an educational environment - that could be a huge item.

One question - are they doing a bootstrap upgrade of existing computers, or a phased upgrade where new computers get Vista as they come off lease?

Having worked through four bootstrap upgrades on a total of over 50,000 computers, I will tell you that provides a lot of compatability - but is a real pain in the rear to accomplish. One item which takes months of testing is ensuring the scripts and procedures to protect existing user data work correctly.

Just one lost data event of the right person can make a great project a failure to upper management.

I vastly prefer the phased upgrades.
 
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:34 am



Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 5):
in fact I have yet to find anything that doesn't work in Win7

I have Windows 7 as well and I am quite happy with it, but Age of Empires III was the first thing that just didn't work for me.
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:54 pm



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 7):
One question - are they doing a bootstrap upgrade of existing computers, or a phased upgrade where new computers get Vista as they come off lease?

It is a bootstrap upgrade of existing computers. All PCs in UNM's Pods are now Vista ready, all running Dell OptiPlex PCs with Intel Core 2 Duo processors. Prior the the start of the current semester, there were still some Gateway PCs with Intel Pentium D processors and even some Dell OptiPlex PCs with Intel Pentium 4 processors.
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:02 pm



Quoting 757MDE (Reply 8):
but Age of Empires III was the first thing that just didn't work for me.

Good to know, it's not a game that I have played. But the info is good, to let others know what does/does not work. Thanks for sharing.

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