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Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:34 pm

I was reading an article about Eastern Airlines. The article indicated Eastern being a Republican airline. I found that to be interesting.

I guess American Airlines is a Republican airline.

Is my educated guess almost accurate?

REPUBLICAN

Allegiant Air
American Airlines
Continental Airlines
United Airlines
Sun Country Airlines
Republic Airways (& Frontier Airlines)

DEMOCRAT

AirTran Airways
Delta Air Lines (& Northwest Airlines)
jetBlue Airways
Midwest Airlines
Southwest Airlines
US Airways
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:36 pm



Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
REPUBLICAN

Allegiant Air
American Airlines
Continental Airlines
United Airlines
Sun Country Airlines
Republic Airways (& Frontier Airlines)

DEMOCRAT

AirTran Airways
Delta Air Lines (& Northwest Airlines)
jetBlue Airways
Midwest Airlines
Southwest Airlines
US Airways

Actually, DL is Republican and UA is Democrat. DL is a big supporter of Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambilss, both who are Republicans. Also, most of Delta's supporters in BK were also Republicans.

I'm pretty sure that WN is also Republican

[Edited 2009-08-28 07:41:10]
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:38 pm

This might be useful if you linked to the article. I'm really not sure what you mean by this, though...

Do you mean that the airline is run by Democrats or Republicans, or do you mean that the customers are more likely to be from a certain party, or are you saying that they donate to a particular party? It's not clear what your metric is.

I think most airlines are run by Republicans, because they're rich businessmen. I'm sure that the companies themselves donate to both parties, though, and they donate more to whichever party happens to be ascendant.
 
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:41 pm



Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 2):
I'm sure that the companies themselves donate to both parties, though, and they donate more to whichever party happens to be ascendant.

that's pretty much how it works. you buy access and influence.

I'm also puzzled by the premise of the thread. Is this the personal preference of the CEO?
 
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:43 pm



Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 2):
Do you mean that the airline is run by Democrats or Republicans, or do you mean that the customers are more likely to be from a certain party, or are you saying that they donate to a particular party? It's not clear what your metric is.

More likely the executive management teams (CEO, CFO, COO, and other senior positions) - who are they, republicans or democrats.
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:46 pm



Quoting September11 (Reply 4):
More likely the executive management teams (CEO, CFO, COO, and other senior positions) - who are they, republicans or democrats.

I personally think the political party of the CEO, CFO, and/or COO is meaningless. What really matters is to which party has the airline donated more money to. I know that DL has mostly been a Republican-leaning airline, as they have donated lots of money to the Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambilss campaigns.
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:49 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I personally think the political party of the CEO, CFO, and/or COO is meaningless. What really matters is to which party has the airline donated more money to. I know that DL has mostly been a Republican-leaning airline, as they have donated lots of money to the Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambilss campaigns.

OK

I read somewhere that Richard Nixon took back South America routes to an airline because of his political affiliation with that airilne ... So ...
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:52 pm

Also, remeber that Democrats are major supporters of unionization, and Delta historically has been the non-union airline. Even after the NW merger, it still seems that new DL does not want unions. The mechanics of the combined airline voted against unionization, and it remains to be seen what will the FAs decide.

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Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:57 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
What really matters is to which party has the airline donated more money to. I know that DL has mostly been a Republican-leaning airline, as they have donated lots of money to the Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambilss campaigns.

Source?

If DL did donate to those politicians political campaigns, then you should notify the Federal Election Commission. From my knowledge, it is illegal for a Corporation to donate to political campaigns for office.
 
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:58 pm

so Northwest Airlines is really a democrat airline?

TWA - democrat?
Pan Am - republican?
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:02 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I know that DL has mostly been a Republican-leaning airline, as they have donated lots of money to the Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambilss campaigns.

And I'm sure Delta execs donated tons of money to Max Cleland and Sam Nunn when they were in office.

Airlines are going to donate to both parties -- they can't be seen as "playing favorites," because politicians in this country still hold too much control over the aviation system.

For example, look at the list of supporters of AA's antitrust exemption request for the BA/IB alliance. I'm sure you'll see lots of Republicans and Democrats from AA's hub cities and states on there.
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:56 pm



Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
Southwest Airlines

Why would you say that Southwest Airlines would be inclined to support Democrats? WN is based in one of the most heavily Republican states there is: T-E-X-A-S! Most corporations would be pro-business; why would they vote for the Democrats and let them regulate and tax them to death?

As a lifelong conservative Republican, I just don't see most (if any) of these airlines supporting a party that wants to socialize this country and regulate/tax us to death.


Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 2):
I think most airlines are run by Republicans, because they're rich businessmen.

I hope you're not making the assumption that Republicans are all rich and Democrats are all poor, because that's simply not true. There's people I know who are just average families and are Republicans and I've heard of extremely wealthy people who are Democrats (such as George Soros & Warren Buffet). Just wanted to point that out.
 
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:06 pm



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):
WN is based in one of the most heavily Republican states there is: T-E-X-A-S!

Ah, you got me! LOL
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:19 pm



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):
I hope you're not making the assumption that Republicans are all rich and Democrats are all poor

That's not what I said [or meant] AT ALL. I said that the guys who run airlines are wealthy businessmen, which they are... and that makes them more likely to be Republicans, so I said most airlines are probably run by Republicans. Likelihood doesn't mean ALL. I live in California; there are plenty of rich and poor Democrats and rich and poor Republicans here. People of all stripes exist in every area, every industry, and every demographic.

On the other hand, the Republican party affiliation is down so severely that maybe a lot of these people are independents or even Democrats now. I can imagine a lot of socially moderate fiscal conservatives deciding to leave the party.

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):

As a lifelong conservative Republican, I just don't see most (if any) of these airlines supporting a party that wants to socialize this country and regulate/tax us to death.

That part of your post is gratuitous and unnecessary.
 
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:19 pm

you can search the party donations here and here:

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/disclosure_data_search.shtml

It is public record.

Looks like DL recently gave to
DELTA AIRLINES
ATLANTA,GA 30320 8/25/08 $3,584 Georgia Federal Elections Cmte (D)

DL also has its own PAC
DELTA AIRLINES INC POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE


C00076133 Non-Party Qualified Georgia

Total Receipts: $157,666
Transfers From Authorized: $0
Individual Contributions: $138,846
Other Committee Contributions: $0
Other Loans: $0
Non-Federal Transfers: $0


Total Disbursements: $168,640
Transfers To Authorized: $0
Contributions To Other Committees: $105,050
Independent Expenditures: $0
Coordinated Expenditures: $0
Individual Refunds: $0
Other Committee Refunds: $0
Other Loan Repayments: $0
Non-Federal Expenditures: $0


Beginning Cash: $14,010
Latest Cash On Hand: $3,040
Debts Owed By: $0



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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:27 pm

I remember reading that Southwest donates a higher percentage of their PAC funds to the Republican party than almost any other airline-way over 80%. AirTran was also way up there for the GOP.

Hawaiian Airlines donated almost all -if not all- of their PAC money to Kerry in 2004.
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:32 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I know that DL has mostly been a Republican-leaning airline, as they have donated lots of money to the Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambilss campaigns.

No, that merely means they are a GA based airline.

Both parties can be bought on certain points, so you hedge your bets by giving to both, with an emphasis to anybody who's going to win no matter what, or especially the incumbent who has a senior position on a relevant committee.

Only if a race is very close can you really discern a partisan preference, unless the individuals involved make it totally obvious they have a personal preference.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 8):
If DL did donate to those politicians political campaigns, then you should notify the Federal Election Commission. From my knowledge, it is illegal for a Corporation to donate to political campaigns for office.

Correct. Though you can look up individual donors by employer. I think companies can give to PACs?

Quoting September11 (Reply 9):
so Northwest Airlines is really a democrat airline?

TWA - democrat?
Pan Am - republican?

So you're basically taking haphazard guesses based on some simple reasoning. I don't find this to be a well-posed inquiry.
 
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:59 pm



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 16):
I don't find this to be a well-posed inquiry.

Maybe a complicated injuiry. Just speculation. I am not too familiar with airline politics.
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RE: Airlines' Political Party Affiliation

Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:10 pm

Here are the top 20 contributors to the Johnny Isakson campaign (2005-2010 cycle):

1 IntercontinentalExchange Inc $25,050 $25,050 $0
2 Balch & Bingham $19,714 $13,714 $6,000
3 Southern Co $19,050 $10,050 $9,000
4 Cox Enterprises $18,400 $18,400 $0
5 Troutman Sanders $17,350 $11,850 $5,500
6 United Parcel Service $17,000 $2,000 $15,000
7 Cousins Properties $14,650 $14,650 $0
8 Murray Energy $14,250 $4,250 $10,000
9 West Hill Investors $13,400 $13,400 $0
10 Delta Airlines $13,350 $13,350 $0
11 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $12,500 $0 $12,500
12 King & Spalding $12,450 $10,450 $2,000
13 Hercules Inc $12,300 $4,300 $8,000
14 National Distributing Co $11,900 $11,900 $0
14 Realogy Corp $11,900 $9,900 $2,000
16 WC Bradley Co $11,700 $11,700 $0
17 Wells Real Estate Funds $11,600 $4,600 $7,000
18 Compucredit Corp $11,350 $11,350 $0
19 Hurt, Norton & Assoc $10,600 $10,600 $0
20 Solvay SA $10,500 $500 $10,000

Now, here are the top 20 contributors for Jim Marshall, one of Isakson's possible Democratic challengers:
1 Blue Dog PAC $10,000 $0 $10,000
2 Carpenters & Joiners Union $5,000 $0 $5,000
2 Coca-Cola Co $5,000 $2,000 $3,000
2 Operating Engineers Union $5,000 $0 $5,000
5 Paris Securities $4,600 $4,600 $0
6 Boeing Co $4,000 $0 $4,000
7 L-3 Communications $3,000 $0 $3,000
7 Lasseter Tractor $3,000 $3,000 $0
9 Home Depot $2,500 $0 $2,500
9 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $2,500 $0 $2,500
9 Southern Co $2,500 $0 $2,500
12 American Assn for Justice $2,000 $0 $2,000
12 Honeywell International $2,000 $0 $2,000
12 Lockheed Martin $2,000 $0 $2,000
12 National Assn of Retail Druggists $2,000 $0 $2,000
12 Raytheon Co $2,000 $0 $2,000
17 Air Line Pilots Assn $1,500 $0 $1,500
18 American Bankers Assn $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 American Hospital Assn $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 American Peanut Shellers Assn $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 American Sugar Cane League $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 City Council Member $1,000 $1,000 $0
18 CME Group $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 Farm Credit Council $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 Friends of Rahm Emanuel $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 General Electric $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 National Assn of Realtors $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 National Auto Dealers Assn $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 National Chicken Council $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 National Cotton Council $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 Northrop Grumman $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 Troutman Sanders $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 United Egg Assn $1,000 $0 $1,000
18 United Technologies $1,000 $0 $1,000

As you can see, DL is nowhere to be found in the top 20 contributors for the Jim Marshall campaign.
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