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Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:24 pm

Don't have a problem with it ,. other Presidents have done it. However some talk is about ,that it will contain agenda bulletins ( Health-care , Energy / Environment , Economic issues). Now here is where I have a problem. President Obama has a enormous opportunity to speak to the kids about positive issues ... tell his story and inspire our kids. However I don't like the idea of him campaigning to our kids in the class room.

Here is the problem with some of his adviser selections .... I have to wonder about his education secretary .. What is in there background ? Take a look at the bulletin sent out from the DOE too the teachers... I wonder if the same was done for other Presidents.. I am sure it was not for President Bush .. if is was the teachers would toss it in the trash.

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7-12.pdf


I am going into the class room next week to view it with my youngest child and participate in the" BIG Event "as the school put it in the flyer sent home to us parents.

What do you think ? Are you going to see it whith your kids ?
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:43 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Duncan

Sounds like a well educated gentleman, Magna Cum Laude from Harvard.

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Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:48 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 1):
Sounds like a well educated gentleman, Magna Cum Laude from Harvard.

An elitist you mean.  stirthepot 

Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
Obama has a enormous opportunity to speak to the kids about positive issues ... tell his story and inspire our kids. However I don't like the idea of him campaigning to our kids in the class room.

Or read them "America - a Patriotic Primer"  stirthepot 
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:56 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 2):
An elitist you mean

Uh-oh. Your on to me and my subliminal double-speak.  Wow! I better hit the "Free Thought Alarm" Big grin
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:23 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
Now here is where I have a problem. President Obama has a enormous opportunity to speak to the kids about positive issues ... tell his story and inspire our kids. However I don't like the idea of him campaigning to our kids in the class room.

I have no problem with him challenging children to find solutions to the major problems that are effecting the country - that's what he should be doing. Obviously, there's a right and a wrong way to do it, so I'll just have to wait until the speech is given before I can say that he was or wasn't campaigning to the kids.

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Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:26 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 2):
An elitist you mean

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This should be good. Warm up the teleprompter and get that stolen speech ready. Let me guess somewhere along the line we will hear about the mess he inherited?
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:30 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
This should be good. Warm up the teleprompter and get that stolen speech ready. Let me guess somewhere along the line we will hear about the mess he inherited?

A little prejudice aren't we?

Which is fine - it only hurts your credibility. Keep on pre-judging! (Is that the correct word?)
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:39 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
I have to wonder about his education secretary

From what I've read about him I like him--he seems very pragmatic, non partisan, and wants to do things that get results (revolutionary, I know). He supports school choice, merit pay, and charter schools--all things that are major breaks with his boss' party's positions, and their union masters.

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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
From what I've read about him I like him--he seems very pragmatic, non partisan, and wants to do things that get results (revolutionary, I know).

The only thing that is going to change results is for parents to be involved in there kids education. It is hard , it is tough and requires allot of dedication form a parent , something lacking in our society everywhere ,thus the rise of socialism its easy street.

All DOE directors want to do things to get results ... the results are what I am worried about. I am not giving his choices of directors any benefit of the doubt now ... sorry I have no reason to believe the guy does not follow the socialist agenda of this administration. I will see for myself on the 8th.
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 8):
The only thing that is going to change results is for parents to be involved in there kids education

Yes, the only problem is that it is the only thing the government can't change short of forced sterilization.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 8):
I have no reason to believe the guy does not follow the socialist agenda of this administration

So far, from what I can tell, he refreshingly has...
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Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
I wonder if the same was done for other Presidents.. I am sure it was not for President Bush .. if is was the teachers would toss it in the trash.

I find this creepy. I mean, REALLY creepy. Having students “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.” This clumsy bit of cheerleading shows no awareness that ”helping the president” might be construed as an invitation to engage in advocacy rather than instruction or that it might worry those who are not Obama partisans.

This just reeks of fascism. This is the kind of crap that goes on in dictatorships, telling kids that it's their duty to help Comrade Stalin, Der Fuhrer, Dear Leader, and so on. And I'm sure that if this had been tried under Bush, the calls of fascism would be raised by the same people who are pushing this effort.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:45 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Having students “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.”

Where did u get this from? Is that in the linked document? Unless "cntrl-F" is not working today - The word "letter" only appears twice - an only in reference to "letter" grades.

Where are you quoting from?
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
might be construed as an invitation to engage in advocacy rather than instruction or that it might worry those who are not Obama partisans.

This just reeks of psychosis
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 11):

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf

And would you believe it - they've edited it! The quote I had was copy/pasted from here. Guess people got upset and they got wind of it.

But there is still plenty to object to.

"Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do
something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking
anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?"

Who is the president to ask me to do anything? He's the public servant - he's supposed to be working for us, not the other way round.

"After the Speech:
• Students could discuss their responses to the following questions:
What do you think the President wants us to do?
Does the speech make you want to do anything?
Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?
What would you like to tell the President?"

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"Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily."

Here, the teacher will reinforce the goals that the president has pushed onto them. Any kid who says 'that's a rotten idea', will be sent to the corner with a Dunce hat, as an antisocial.

"Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short‐term and long‐term education
goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to
make students accountable to their goals."

This is the part that had what I quoted about an hour ago.

"Participate in School wide incentive programs or contests for students who achieve their goals."

In other words, let's reward the kids who buy into Comrade Obama's program.

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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 12):
This just reeks of psychosis

Maybe you like fascism more than you think.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:13 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
And would you believe it - they've edited it! The quote I had was copy/pasted from here. Guess people got upset and they got wind of it.



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 12):
psychosis

quick they are on you!! Run!

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But there is still plenty to object to.

Better object quicky, before the informants get a hold of your brainwaves and change it again.

You have beat them this time!

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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:13 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Who is the president to ask me to do anything? He's the public servant - he's supposed to be working for us, not the other way round.

You just made thousands of vetrans who gave their lives for this county spin in their grave.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily."

And what's wrong with this? Teachers proactively ensuring the success of their students? Your just upset because you don't like Obama. Fine, we get it.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Participate in School wide incentive programs or contests for students who achieve their goals."

Many schools do this and it has nothing to do with political affiliation or any Presidential speeches or actions. They do it so the kids focus on learning and becoming contributing members to society.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:33 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 6):
Which is fine - it only hurts your credibility. Keep on pre-judging! (Is that the correct word?)

What are you going on about? I didn't prejudge, I quoted facts buddy. He depends on the teleprompter, stole a speech and has made reference to the Bush administration in his speeches countless times. If anyone has no credibility it is you my friend and your constant propaganda.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:42 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 16):
And what's wrong with this? Teachers proactively ensuring the success of their students? Your just upset because you don't like Obama. Fine, we get it.

 redflag  Its one thing for a teacher or a individual school to do what ever they want ... but you don't find it uncomfortable that a letter comes from Washington suggesting it ? doesn't it just seems that they are working so hard to "help" the President.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:48 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Let me guess somewhere along the line we will



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
I quoted facts buddy. He depends on the teleprompter, stole a speech and has made reference to the Bush administration in his speeches countless times.

So you used past actions to "guess" the future.. Hmm sounds like.. what's that word .. oh yea "prejudging"

If you don't like it, you may contact Mr Merriam or Mr Webster. They will assist you in changing the definition.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:49 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 18):
Its one thing for a teacher or a individual school to do what ever they want ... but you don't find it uncomfortable that a letter comes from Washington suggesting it ? doesn't it just seems that they are working so hard to "help" the President.

No, I don't find anything wrong with the Department of Education advising teachers and administrators. Like the Department of Education was set up to do. And I don't find it wrong for every American man, woman and child to help their President regardless of liking them or not.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Have people forgotten that in order to get what we want out, we need to put an equal amount in?
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:51 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 16):
You just made thousands of vetrans who gave their lives for this county spin in their grave.

Soldiers are not public servants. They are citizens who have chosen to serve for a pitance of a salary. Politicians seek power. I put them much lower on the chain.

Quoting Force13 (Reply 16):
And what's wrong with this? Teachers proactively ensuring the success of their students? Your just upset because you don't like Obama. Fine, we get it.

Pressuring the students to buy into Comrade Obama's agenda. Every time this sort of thing has been done in the past has been a disaster,

Quoting Force13 (Reply 16):
Many schools do this and it has nothing to do with political affiliation or any Presidential speeches or actions.

This one does.

Look, I'm not saying that this document was written by anyone higher than a mid-level bureaucrat at the Dept of Education (one who certainly voted for Obama). It's the mentality that disturbs me.
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 19):
So you used past actions to "guess" the future.. Hmm sounds like.. what's that word .. oh yea "prejudging"

LOLOLOL, omg this is too funny. You really are livid that this guy is screwing the dog when it comes to running this country aren't you? Fact is I really don't prejudge him but what do you do when all his speeches are exactly the same and don't have any substance? When he just repeats the same ol propaganda he has been using since he won the primary? He can't answer tough questions, has lost all control of economy and middle east and now he is wants us to leverage more money so everyone can have crappy health care. You go dude! Good luck riding that right to a loss in 2012'. Have you been paying any attention to the town meetings? People are mad and have just about lost their patience with his empty suit. Most of them were independants that voted for him that expected more and are just not gettting it.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:01 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Comrade Obama's agenda



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
mid-level bureaucrat at the Dept of Education (one who certainly voted for Obama)

If we had a different president, one that you liked, would you make these same comments? Now be honest.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Soldiers are not public servants. They are citizens who have chosen to serve for a pitance of a salary.

We did have a draft for WWII and Vietnam. Many selflessly went to serve our country to defend the public's freedoms. I know a few vetrans who would politely disagree with you on that.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:08 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
LOLOLOL, omg this is too funny. You really are livid that this guy is screwing the dog when it comes to running this country aren't you? Fact is I really don't prejudge him but what do you do when all his speeches are exactly the same and don't have any substance? When he just repeats the same ol propaganda he has been using since he won the primary? He can't answer tough questions, has lost all control of economy and middle east and now he is wants us to leverage more money so everyone can have crappy health care. You go dude! Good luck riding that right to a loss in 2012'. Have you been paying any attention to the town meetings? People are mad and have just about lost their patience with his empty suit. Most of them were independants that voted for him that expected more and are just not gettting it.

how does this change the fact that you were prejudging?

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Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:17 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 20):
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Have people forgotten that in order to get what we want out, we need to put an equal amount in?

The two Americas has never been as apparent as they are these days ....
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:18 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 23):
If we had a different president, one that you liked, would you make these same comments? Now be honest.

Students have never been asked to pledge loyalty to a president by name

The following video was shown to 850 students at a school assembly of the Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington, Utah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcPA1ysSbw&feature=player_embedded

Quote:
“I pledge my service to Barack Obama.”
“I pledge to be a servant to our President.”

Let's see, does this ring a bell? Give up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU0VHLnOQDs&feature=player_embedded

Hitler Youth Pledge: “I promise to do my duty in love and loyalty to the Führer and our flag.”

The only difference between the Hitler Youth pledge and the above is that the Hollywooders eliminated any mention of flag or country. I guess hero worship is more important!

Like I said, it's the mentality of the Obamorons that is upsetting me.

Quoting Force13 (Reply 23):
We did have a draft for WWII and Vietnam. Many selflessly went to serve our country to defend the public's freedoms. I know a few vetrans who would politely disagree with you on that.

Find a former soldier who considered himself a public servant. I think it would be a hell of a demotion.
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:54 pm

What a horrible president we have! I mean, instead of telling kids if they don't have enough money and average grades in high school, they can always enlist in the military and, if they are not killed or disformed, they can be elevated to the highest of patriots, just below elected and appointed officials from the right wing, this president decides to tell kids they can do whatever they want in this country, not another country, to make things better for themselves and their families. What a horrible, sameful thing to do!

Get a grip. Support the president because it is the patriotic thing to do. Dissent is wrong. Remember?
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 27):
Get a grip. Support the president because it is the patriotic thing to do. Dissent is wrong. Remember?

Is he talking to kids about a war? What are you missing?
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 24):
how does this change the fact that you were prejudging?

Fine but if you want to really spew your propaganda you can just say "anyone that doesn't agree with Obama is a racist!" I
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 29):
how does this change the fact that you were prejudging?

Fine but if you want to really spew your propaganda you can just say "anyone that doesn't agree with Obama is a racist!" I

spew? What would you call this:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
LOLOLOL, omg this is too funny. You really are livid that this guy is screwing the dog when it comes to running this country aren't you? Fact is I really don't prejudge him but what do you do when all his speeches are exactly the same and don't have any substance? When he just repeats the same ol propaganda he has been using since he won the primary? He can't answer tough questions, has lost all control of economy and middle east and now he is wants us to leverage more money so everyone can have crappy health care. You go dude! Good luck riding that right to a loss in 2012'. Have you been paying any attention to the town meetings? People are mad and have just about lost their patience with his empty suit. Most of them were independants that voted for him that expected more and are just not gettting it.

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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 30):
a controlled release?

Looks to me like a fair assesment of our current president and how he has fared in the last 6 months.
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I suspect many school districts will not participate in this program due to local political views, that it takes time from the school day and lack of facilities. I am not sure if this is such a good idea but it is a lot better than being at a school and reading 'My Pet Goat'.
 
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:58 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But there is still plenty to object to.

"Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do
something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking
anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?"

Who is the president to ask me to do anything? He's the public servant - he's supposed to be working for us, not the other way round.

So if he were to ask America's students to study hard, make the right decisions instead of the easy ones, be leaders in their communities and positive role models for others, and become the foremost scientists, businessmen, entrepreneurs, artists, academics, etc. in the world, you would object to that? If he were to ask America's parents to stay involved with their children, to make sure that they're not being raised by the television, and to take an active role in their education, you'd be saying "who is the president to ask me to do that?"

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" is a very applicable quote at this point in the country's history.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 18):
ts one thing for a teacher or a individual school to do what ever they want ... but you don't find it uncomfortable that a letter comes from Washington suggesting it ?

Do I find it uncomfortable that Washington is taking an interest in the education of the country's students? No, I don't. I find it refreshing.

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Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:01 am

Please note that at the end of the speech, the president will be handing out "Democratic Party pledges" to make sure all the kids vote Democratic from age 18 to death. This event will be followed by the brief video "Why the Republicans want to kill everyone you love".

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Quoting Mir (Reply 33):
So if he were to ask America's students to study hard, make the right decisions instead of the easy ones, be leaders in their communities and positive role models for others, and become the foremost scientists, businessmen, entrepreneurs, artists, academics, etc. in the world, you would object to that?

I would have no problem with that. But I have 0% confidence that he will restrict himself to such things. He will use the opportunity to tell them how evil people want to prevent them and their parents from getting health care and other such crap.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 34):
Please note that at the end of the speech, the president will be handing out "Democratic Party pledges" to make sure all the kids vote Democratic from age 18 to death. This event will be followed by the brief video "Why the Republicans want to kill everyone you love".

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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 18):
Its one thing for a teacher or a individual school to do what ever they want ... but you don't find it uncomfortable that a letter comes from Washington suggesting it ?

The whole "I'll do it because I want to but not because you tell me to" line is generally used by small children. We're (mostly) adults here; we should be above that sort of thing by now.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 36):
The whole "I'll do it because I want to but not because you tell me to" line is generally used by small children. We're (mostly) adults here; we should be above that sort of thing by now.

Miss the point did we ? Sorry I cant explain it more plainly .... Read slowly... A letter from Washington was sent to teachers to instruct them how to involve the children in praising and "helping" President Obama achieve his goals . ... ...

Now how you decided that I was somehow acting juvenile by stating that I don't know ..... and if you donut see a problem with that then I guess we are on different planets.

Quoting Mir (Reply 33):
Do I find it uncomfortable that Washington is taking an interest in the education of the country's students? No, I don't. I find it refreshing.

Oh they are taking a interest alright ...no doubt about that .
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:18 pm

Well clearly this is how low things have got. A few people just 'assume' this President wants to indoctrinate little kids, and put someone who was elected by a landslide on a par with Hitler, Kim Jong Il et al. Disgraceful. The same people who think this probably think the government wants to kill old people and deny care for disabled kids.

Of course hes not allowed to talk about responsibly, the importance of an education or the importance of community service. This man is clearly so evil he wants to create an Obama Youth of little kids so he can go invade Canada or something in a few years.

What evidence is there of this? Why is he not allowed at the very least the benefit of the doubt? 'Debates' like this are disgusting.
 
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Quoting Itsonlyme (Reply 38):
A few people just 'assume' this President wants to indoctrinate little kids

We don't assume anything. We base the belief on past behavior and speeches of Obama and the people he surrounds himself with.

Quoting Itsonlyme (Reply 38):
and put someone who was elected by a landslide on a par with Hitler, Kim Jong Il et al. Disgraceful.

I would hardly call 52% a landslide, but that is irrelevant.

Quoting Itsonlyme (Reply 38):
The same people who think this probably think the government wants to kill old people and deny care for disabled kids.



Listen to the speeches and writings of the health experts surrounding Obama, and it's pretty damned clear that's what they want to do. They are classic Progressive Eugenicists on steroids.

Quoting Itsonlyme (Reply 38):
What evidence is there of this? Why is he not allowed at the very least the benefit of the doubt? 'Debates' like this are disgusting.

Evidence, in the form of youtube videos of speeches and links to journals these advisors have written for have been posted on this forum and broadcast on TV ad nauseum. Seems you haven't been paying attention.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39):
I would hardly call 52% a landslide

It was landslide based on the electoral college process. You know, the same process that gave GWB his victory. Where you quoting actual vote percentages in 2004?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39):
We don't assume anything. We base the belief on past behavior and speeches of Obama and the people he surrounds himself with.

That is what an "assumption" is. Contact NIK - he knows people at the Dictionary Company
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:55 pm

My wife posed the question to me: Would you let our kids listen to a Pres. Obama speech?

My answer: If he's going to speak to the kids about the importance of education, about taking responsibility for their actions, about being helpful/respectful to others, then absolutely.

As long as it's apolitical and he doesn't slip in some of his personal agenda (healthcare reform, deficit spending, apologizing to the world for being Americans, etc.).

Oh, and no writing assignments on kissing his ass, either...
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:20 pm

My three sons have decided to not send their kids (my grandchildren) to school on Tuesday, the 8th. I support that. Obama does not have a very good track record when it comes to giving non-partisan speeches.

I hope his tele-prompters don't work.
 
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:38 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 26):
Hitler Youth Pledge: “I promise to do my duty in love and loyalty to the Führer and our flag.”

The only difference between the Hitler Youth pledge and the above is that the Hollywooders eliminated any mention of flag or country. I guess hero worship is more important!

Like I said, it's the mentality of the Obamorons that is upsetting me.

This is where I get upset. How can anyone compare a president to a dictator who killed 6,000,000+ people because of what he called "inferior genes"??!! I don't care if you didn't like Bush, I don't care if you don't like Obama, Neither of them committed genocide!

And for the record I am not a supported of Obama nor am I a republican or democrat.
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RE: Pres.Obama's Speach To Students 9-08

Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 43):
I don't care if you didn't like Bush, I don't care if you don't like Obama, Neither of them committed genocide!

Politics today - both lefties and righties are guilty of this Hitler crap, but you won't find any apologies in this thread for it.  banghead 
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 43):
This is where I get upset. How can anyone compare a president to a dictator who killed 6,000,000+ people because of what he called "inferior genes"??!! I don't care if you didn't like Bush, I don't care if you don't like Obama, Neither of them committed genocide!

Excellent - you've made my point. Hitler's genocide would not have been possible had it not been for the culture of fanatical loyalty to him - a Culture of Personality.

All democracies have recognized that danger, and the usual rule has always been that you may pledge allegience to your country, and you render honors to an office, but not to the man in it. The fact that many Obamorons see the need to pledge allegience to Obama himself and try to influence kids to do it as well (and this is nothing new - remember the videos before the election showing kids marching and chanting praise to Obama) shows either a complete lack of historical knowledge, or else they simply like the idea of fascism.

Remember that youtube video I posted earlier with all the hollywood types. At the end Ashton Kutcher asks “what’s your pledge?” I’ve got one: "I pledge never to buy another movie ticket or rent of any film these people are in."

Secondly, as has been explained in other threads, Obama's advisors related to health care are serious radicals, who want to point health dollars that they would increasingly control towards people who are beneficial to society - i.e. towards younger people and away from older people who have little more to give, This is the chart that Dr. Emmanuel used just last year to illustrate the ages on which health spending should be focused.

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I see little difference between this and Hitler's ideas of eliminating unwanted members of society, except for Hitler going to more "active" measures. Dr. Emmanuel won't go that far, but he certainly advocates denial of care based on age.
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RE: Pres.Obama's Speach To Students 9-08

Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:18 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 45):
Obama's advisors related to health care are serious radicals, who want to point health dollars that they would increasingly control towards people who are beneficial to society - i.e. towards younger people and away from older people who have little more to give



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 45):
ages on which health spending should be focused.

If you want more people to have health care covered, then why do you complain of your taxes may go up to expand health care? Again, all of the sudden you become Mother Theresa. Then you turn around and say that all spending should make economic sense.

From a purely economical sense - spending more on on people that have more (more beneficial to society) to give makes more sense. Whats wrong with that Mr. Capitalist?
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:24 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
But I have 0% confidence that he will restrict himself to such things

Someone agrees with you. They are adding it to the health care reform junk file.  Silly

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...use-withdraws-students-help-obama/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ithdraws-call-students-help-obama/

Sorry, couldn't find the article on CNN.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Pres.Obama's Speach To Students 9-08

Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:24 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42):
My three sons have decided to not send their kids

I think that's the wrong move ,,, have them go and participate . Talk to them discuss the issues and let them make up there minds . I have 3 kids , 2 of them are conservatives one of them is a liberal. My liberal daughter wants to see the President and really likes him , I am going to watch it with her class. I am not going too be dismissive of it , I want her to stand for what she believes in . Then I can take her college money and buy the BMW R1150... Big grin

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 41):
As long as it's apolitical and he doesn't slip in some of his personal agenda (healthcare reform, deficit spending, apologizing to the world for being Americans, etc.).

Of course , and President Obama is in a unique position with his life story to really inspire kids that they can achieve more than they dream. There is so many positive things that he can talk to the kids about ... I hope he does . I hope he does not bring up health care , saving the planet and all that. Forget about it , just inspire achievement . ..

But then we must go back and look at the commencement speech as AZ State.... does he really want to promote education for any other reason that service to others ? ( Socialist speak for the state ) They really do not believe in education as a vehicle to reach heights of personal economic success... they believe in service to others ( The State). Michelle herself said as much at her commencement address...
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RE: Pres.Obama's Speach To Students 9-08

Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 45):
Remember that youtube video I posted earlier with all the hollywood types. At the end Ashton Kutcher asks “what’s your pledge?” I’ve got one: "I pledge never to buy another movie ticket or rent of any film these people are in."

My favorite is P. Diddy's: "I pledge to turn off the lights when I leave the room, so should you."

Hey, moron, I've been doing that since I was tall enough to reach the switch. My parents and school taught me that.

Watching all of these celebrities making pledges, why aren't they already practicing these things before? Is it because Obama is now president and they feel more compelled?

I do like Jason Bateman's pledge: "I pledge to flush only if I drop a deuce, not a single."

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