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Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:53 pm

Well, here we go again. Obama wants the US Senate to approve pushing the US debt limit from the current $12T to a new high of $13T. The US House already approved the hike before they adjourned in early August. This is on top of the increase in the US debt that Congress already approved in Feb. of this year, when they increased it from $11T to $12T.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5...-must-raise-debt-ceiling-above-12t

In 2008, then Senator Obama blasted then President Bush for asking to increase the debt to the then limit of $11T. Now Obama wants to do it for the second time since he too office just 8 months ago.

Obama's deficet for this year is expected to be $1.6T when FY 2009 ends on 30 September 2009.
 
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I am not so sure even my great grandchildren could pay that back at a 60% tax rate.

Time to pull the plug on this insane spending and live within means.

Next up I will be told it is a good idea to have a Pedophile as the "Orphanage Czar"

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Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 2):
Judging by the way things are going, it looks like Republicans will win big in 2010 and 2012

The current GOP has no legs to stand on with this issue as well thanks to the creation of DHS and the bungling of not one, but two wars on the last President's watch. Last I checked, there's all kinds of earmarks on GOP reps' bills to boot.

It's time for a Fiscal Responsibility Party. The FRP needs to destroy the last vestiges of all this ridiculous waste. Get these idiots out of government before there's nothing left!! Join Taxpayers for Common Sense!! (proud member since 2000).
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
The current GOP has no legs to stand on with this issue as well thanks to the creation of DHS and the bungling of not one, but two wars on the last President's watch. Last I checked, there's all kinds of earmarks on GOP reps' bills to boot.

You forgot the Prescription drug bill. Very few of the current crop have a leg to stand on. But I will also have to agree partly with ABQ747. Much to my joy the Dem's seem to fumbling the baton handed to them and are going to make 2010 a much different election than I could of hoped for 6 month's ago.
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):

Obama's deficet for this year is expected to be $1.6T when FY 2009 ends on 30 September 2009

Not much else anyone can do, while the CEO's and Republicans continue to champion Free Trade and the offshoring of American manufacturing and Service Jobs.

The only way we can buy the cheap stuff from overseas is for them to buy our debt so we can get stimulus checks as everyone goes unemployed.


The US Dollar will have to absolutely crash before we can recover this economy. The current rebound is nothing but a dead cat bounce.
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
Not much else anyone can do, while the CEO's and Republicans continue to champion Free Trade and the offshoring of American manufacturing and Service Jobs

The amount could be cut in half if he eliminated Porkulus right now.
 
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 6):
The amount could be cut in half if he eliminated Porkulus right now.

nope,
Offshoring has been goinng on before and during the current Stimulus.
All these companies are trying to save costs by moving jobs to foreign cheap labor. Therefore the US citizen's are winding up Unemployed.

The only reason it isn't currently worse is due ot what you call Porkulus.

If we hadn't had Porkulus, the whole economy would have already been ripped apart, and instead of the governemnt (which can actually create money) holding debt, regular citizens would have been wiped out even more than they currently are. If I were in one of the jobs that got saved by the governement taking more debt on, I'd be grateful.


The only thing more US debt should do, is reduce foreign investment in the US, causing inflation here, and the drop of the dollar. However China and other Socialist countries have no problem printing money of their own, socially controlling costs, and buying the US debt in order to control what should be the normal fall of the dollar.
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Ohh yay! More taxes!!!!

I understand spending to improve a country but there is a point were too much is too much.

He spends like a Spoiled teen with daddy's credit card. At one point there is a limit were he can sit down work with what he's got cut whats useless build up whats needed.
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
The only reason it isn't currently worse is due ot what you call Porkulus.

If we hadn't had Porkulus, the whole economy would have already been ripped apart, and instead of the governemnt (which can actually create money) holding debt, regular citizens would have been wiped out even more than they currently are. If I were in one of the jobs that got saved by the governement taking more debt on, I'd be grateful.

You keep on believing this. The amount of so called stimulus that has been spent so far is very small. It has done nothing to stop us from being ripped apart. All it has done is rip us off. Joe Biden says the stimulus is working so it must be true  Yeah sure
 
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
The current rebound is nothing but a dead cat bounce.

So the real question is, how loud will the "THUD" be?

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Come on people this is change you can believe in!!
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
It's time for a Fiscal Responsibility Party. The FRP needs to destroy the last vestiges of all this ridiculous waste. Get these idiots out of government before there's nothing left!! Join Taxpayers for Common Sense!! (proud member since 2000).

That may be a good option. As you say, both the Repubs and Dems have done this to us.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):

Obama's deficet for this year is expected to be $1.6T when FY 2009 ends on 30 September 2009

Not much else anyone can do, while the CEO's and Republicans continue to champion Free Trade and the offshoring of American manufacturing and Service Jobs.

The only way we can buy the cheap stuff from overseas is for them to buy our debt so we can get stimulus checks as everyone goes unemployed.


The US Dollar will have to absolutely crash before we can recover this economy. The current rebound is nothing but a dead cat bounce.

You do know that companies have been moving offshore for the last 45 years, don't you? It started under Johnson, and every Dem Congress since then forced more jobs offshore. It was not the GOP.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 6):
The amount could be cut in half if he eliminated Porkulus right now.

Well, at least 30%.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
Offshoring has been goinng on before and during the current Stimulus.

Correct.

Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 12):
Come on people this is change you can believe in!!

Yeah, we get the shaft and the Chinese get the change.
 
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
If we hadn't had Porkulus, the whole economy would have already been ripped apart, and instead of the governemnt (which can actually create money) holding debt, regular citizens would have been wiped out even more than they currently are. If I were in one of the jobs that got saved by the governement taking more debt on, I'd be grateful.

Source? Evidence? Anything??

And how many jobs is that relative to the ones that have been lost elsewhere the public sector can't and doesn't have any impact on?
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
Not much else anyone can do, while the CEO's and Republicans continue to champion Free Trade and the offshoring of American manufacturing and Service Jobs.

Sorry but the two are not related. The debt is simply the amount of the defict, plus interest that we have been piling up with very few exceptions for over a hundred years. The spiral has steepened and accelerated in the past 50 years with the passing of the great society programs which are costing more and more every single year but hardly keeping up with what the government has to shell out in interest payments which if left unchecked, will be the biggest single budget item in a few years. The unemployment level, until the fall of last year was pretty near statistical unemployment so people were working and paying taxes. Tax reciepts themselves had been growing over the previous few years but government spending was still out pacing even that. Until we get people in their who will watch the publics pocket book as they do their own, were sunk.
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
All these companies are trying to save costs by moving jobs to foreign cheap labor. Therefore the US citizen's are winding up Unemployed.

That's ridiculous. World trade is a friend of the American consumer, who materially has the world's highest income, by purchasing power.

We are experiencing a bump in the road. It happens. The government and the people should not panic about it.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
You do know that companies have been moving offshore for the last 45 years, don't you? It started under Johnson, and every Dem Congress since then forced more jobs offshore. It was not the GOP.

Indeed, it has been going on for ... I would say ... hundreds of years.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
Obama's deficet for this year is expected to be $1.6T when FY 2009 ends on 30 September 2009.

As the richest people in the world, we ought to suck it up and live within our means. Meaning, our government should. Plus our banks and automakers.
 
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
If I were in one of the jobs that got saved by the governement taking more debt on, I'd be grateful.

Exactly how many jobs has Obama "saved"? How are they counted? How do you prove the numbers are accurate? One number we can put our finger on is the 3,000,000 + jobs lost since Obama signed the stimulus bill back in February.
 
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
The only reason it isn't currently worse is due ot what you call Porkulus

We bailed out GM and Chrysler at a rate of $1,400.000.00 per job saved.
We bailed out General Electric Capital at double that rate.

I doubt we will see any return

Porkulus provides nothing but temporary jobs, still keeps the U6 at 17% unemployment.

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Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
That's ridiculous. World trade is a friend of the American consumer, who materially has the world's highest income, by purchasing power.

How is it a friend when we have 9.7% unemployment. 0% interest rates, and we are still losing jobs?
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
That's ridiculous. World trade is a friend of the American consumer, who materially has the world's highest income, by purchasing power.

Can't have consumers if everyone loses their job

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
Exactly how many jobs has Obama "saved"? How are they counted? How do you prove the numbers are accurate? One number we can put our finger on is the 3,000,000 + jobs lost since Obama signed the stimulus bill back in February.

It would be more, if there weren't roads being built.
I have watched big companies close factories and hire workers overseas.

Do you know what happens when the people that get paid $10 to make a toaster lose their jobs to someone that makes 1/10 of minimum wage?

The person that made the $10 toaster can't afford it becasue they have no job,
the person making 1/10th of minimum wage can't afford it, becase their country wants to export it to the US.

The service level jobs that are supposed to replace these menial jobs are getting destroyed. Financial industry, Car Sales, Telecommunication, Lab Techs, Paralegal, Engineering. These jobs are being offshored due to the cheaper labor elsewhere.

The US has been in a freefall since 2000. The only thing that has saved everone during that time , was the big lie of the Housing Bubble.


This economy would have lost another 2-4 million by now without the extra spending.

The US economy is in a race to the bottom, and the only thing saving it is the dumb countries that keep buying the debt.
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 4):
Much to my joy the Dem's seem to fumbling the baton handed to them

Why do you find "joy" in what you believe is mishandling of the country? That's a great attitude. "I want my team to win, and your team to lose" is not very patriotic.
 
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Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
That's a great attitude. "I want my team to win, and your team to lose" is not very patriotic.

Well it seems as if the democratic party has been practicing that old Roman addage, "It is not enough that I win, he must fail." for quite some time.
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Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
Well it seems as if the democratic party has been practicing that old Roman addage, "It is not enough that I win, he must fail." for quite some time.

How many times must I tell you, your "argument" is BS if all you do is say Democrats do it too. It's a sign that you have no answer to the charge.
 
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Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
How many times must I tell you, your "argument" is BS if all you do is say Democrats do it too. It's a sign that you have no answer to the charge.

How many times do I have to tell you you show your colors everytime you post this kind of stuff. That you don't want to admit it just adds "hypocrite" to the list. You can try and maintain this laughable cover as "moderate" or "independent" but you're not fooling anyone.
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 20):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
Exactly how many jobs has Obama "saved"? How are they counted? How do you prove the numbers are accurate? One number we can put our finger on is the 3,000,000 + jobs lost since Obama signed the stimulus bill back in February.

It would be more, if there weren't roads being built.

What roads are being built right now with stimulus money? NONE. Why? Because the bill was written so 75% of the funds would be spent just before the Congressional mid-term elections. All that "shovel ready" stuff is just BS.

Any roads under construction right now were funded BEFORE FY 2009.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 20):
I have watched big companies close factories and hire workers overseas.



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 20):
Do you know what happens when the people that get paid $10 to make a toaster lose their jobs to someone that makes 1/10 of minimum wage?

The person that made the $10 toaster can't afford it becasue they have no job,
the person making 1/10th of minimum wage can't afford it, becase their country wants to export it to the US.

Where was your toaster built? Mine was built in the good old USA, and I didn't buy it at Wal-Mart.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 20):
The US has been in a freefall since 2000. The only thing that has saved everone during that time , was the big lie of the Housing Bubble.

Thanks to the slight of hand move in 1998 by Barnie Frank with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mea.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 20):
This economy would have lost another 2-4 million by now without the extra spending.

The spending hasn't started yet. So, what extra spending are you talking about?

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
Quoting Windy95 (Reply 4):
Much to my joy the Dem's seem to fumbling the baton handed to them

Why do you find "joy" in what you believe is mishandling of the country? That's a great attitude. "I want my team to win, and your team to lose" is not very patriotic.

Then I guess the Democrats are unpatriotic, as that is their stated policy.
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Where was your toaster built? Mine was built in the good old USA, and I didn't buy it at Wal-Mart.

What year? 1980?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
What roads are being built right now with stimulus money? NONE. Why? Because the bill was written so 75% of the funds would be spent just before the Congressional mid-term elections. All that "shovel ready" stuff is just BS.

Tons of road and airport projects going on in NC from the stimulus.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Thanks to the slight of hand move in 1998 by Barnie Frank with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mea

Doesn't matter who caused it buddy. The problem is that it has done nothing but masked the farce of how bad the economy has turned due to Offshoring and outsourcing. Free Trade and a Strong US Dollar spell disaster.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
The spending hasn't started yet. So, what extra spending are you talking about?

The mortgage bailouts, the bank bailouts, the car company bailouts. Not sure which rock you have been under this year.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Then I guess the Democrats are unpatriotic, as that is their stated policy.

Very smarmy statement considering the republicans have done nothing this year.

It will be laughable when after 3 years the republican party will still be saying watch them fail, and the economy will be on the mend.
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):

It's time for a Fiscal Responsibility Party. The FRP needs to destroy the last vestiges of all this ridiculous waste. Get these idiots out of government before there's nothing left!! Join Taxpayers for Common Sense!! (proud member since 2000).

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Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 12):
Come on people this is change you can believe in!!

 rotfl  The CHANGE Obummer was talking about was the CHANGE jingling in our pockets after he's ripped a whole in wallets to pay for his M-A-S-S-I-V-E government spending...  Yeah sure
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Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
You can try and maintain this laughable cover as "moderate" or "independent" but you're not fooling anyone.

Not trying to fool anyone. You and other posters such as KC135TopBoom and Windy made the illogical leap that I must be a democrat because I'm not a republican, and I must be a liberal because I criticize conservatives. That's a moronic conclusion as there are many many things one can be when he declares himself not a republican. It's like saying I must be Black because I'm not White, or I must be American because I'm not European. And then, should I criticize a group that you admit to being a member of, instead of responding to the criticism, you argue that the group you think I'm a member of does it to. In every argument I have with you about these things, you make it about me and what you think my side is, instead of presenting a cogent argument of why you're right. Didn't you ever learn that two wrongs do not make a right?

Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
How many times do I have to tell you you show your colors everytime you post this kind of stuff.

Yawn...

Now, as I was saying, what kind of patriot is happy when the country is mishandled by its leadership? What kind of patriot cheers on the mishandling of the country? If you think this is mishandling, you shouldn't find "joy" in it, Windy.

DXing, do you disagree?
 
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Quoting 7324ever (Reply 8):

Ohh yay! More taxes!!!!

I understand spending to improve a country but there is a point were too much is too much.

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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 26):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Where was your toaster built? Mine was built in the good old USA, and I didn't buy it at Wal-Mart.

What year? 1980?

I just bought a new one last year.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 26):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
What roads are being built right now with stimulus money? NONE. Why? Because the bill was written so 75% of the funds would be spent just before the Congressional mid-term elections. All that "shovel ready" stuff is just BS.

Tons of road and airport projects going on in NC from the stimulus.

I think if you look into the funding on those projects, you will none of the funding is from the 2009 stimulus bill, and all the funding was made before this year. That is the way it works for projects just beginning construction. Believe me, having managed some 45 construction projects on DFW Airport, I know how public works projects work and get funded, and how slow the process is.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 26):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Thanks to the slight of hand move in 1998 by Barnie Frank with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mea

Doesn't matter who caused it buddy.

So, it doesn't matter who caused the biggest world wide recession since the great depression of the 1930s?

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 26):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
The spending hasn't started yet. So, what extra spending are you talking about?

The mortgage bailouts, the bank bailouts, the car company bailouts. Not sure which rock you have been under this year.

If you go back and look under those rocks, you will find all of that was funded in the October 2008 bill signed by Bush, that bill was called TARP, or Troubled Assets Relief Program. Almost none of Obama's stimulus package has been spent, yet, except for the $250 he gave to those on unemployment, and the stupid little tax reduction of $12 a month. Obama's bill is called American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

Bush's bill cost us $700B, Obama's bill added another $787B to that.

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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 26):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Then I guess the Democrats are unpatriotic, as that is their stated policy.

Very smarmy statement considering the republicans have done nothing this year.

It will be laughable when after 3 years the republican party will still be saying watch them fail, and the economy will be on the mend.

What did the Dems do in the 110th Congress? Nothing......

BTW, the Repubs have been fighting Obama, Pelosi, and Reid all year long on every piece of legislation. The $787B "stimulus" bill (which hasn't stimulated anything), that so far has put 3M more Americans out of work, Cap and tax, which will triple energy bills for all Americans, from gasoline to electricity, and now this stupid "health crises", when 85% of the country has health insurance, and like what they have, but, don't want the government option or single payer system.

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
You can try and maintain this laughable cover as "moderate" or "independent" but you're not fooling anyone.

Not trying to fool anyone. You and other posters such as KC135TopBoom and Windy made the illogical leap that I must be a democrat because I'm not a republican, and I must be a liberal because I criticize conservatives. That's a moronic conclusion as there are many many things one can be when he declares himself not a republican. It's like saying I must be Black because I'm not White, or I must be American because I'm not European. And then, should I criticize a group that you admit to being a member of, instead of responding to the criticism, you argue that the group you think I'm a member of does it to. In every argument I have with you about these things, you make it about me and what you think my side is, instead of presenting a cogent argument of why you're right. Didn't you ever learn that two wrongs do not make a right?

What kind of liberal mumbo-jumbo is that? None of it makes sense to any intellegent person.

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
Now, as I was saying, what kind of patriot is happy when the country is mishandled by its leadership?

Not this patriot. That is why I do everything I can to try to stop the Obama, Pelosi, Reid train wreck that is coming for this country.

That is why I call them King Barack 1, Princess Nancy, and Village Idiot Harry, as they all think they are royalty.
 
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
It's time for a Fiscal Responsibility Party.

Try term limits.

The only thing politcians care about is staying in power, making that not an option will see that only those morally committed to what's right seek office in the first place - even if you do lose a few good people along the way due to the term limit (it's worth the price.)

Where is the party for fiscal conservatives who also believe the government should stay out of such issues as abortion, sexuality and so many foreign entanglements?

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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 7):
(which can actually create money)

 rotfl 

Think about it: if they can "create" money, why not keep on creating until everyone is a millionaire? If that idea made any sense whatsoever, everyone would be as fat as a pig in this planet and no one would be starving.
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Quoting BigBadBoo (Reply 31):
Where is the party for fiscal conservatives who also believe the government should stay out of such issues as abortion, sexuality and so many foreign entanglements?

These guys are pretty close to what you describe there:

http://www.lp.org/
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 32):
Think about it: if they can "create" money, why not keep on creating until everyone is a millionaire? If that idea made any sense whatsoever, everyone would be as fat as a pig in this planet and no one would be starving

Because that is what causes inflation. Which is what everyone is worried about.
However since the jobs aren't getting the created and the money continues to flow out of the country, inflation is not currently an issue.

So at this point since China continues to fund the debt to manipulate their currency, the government of the US can continue to mint money like the Gold that China treats it as.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 30):
BTW, the Repubs have been fighting Obama, Pelosi, and Reid all year long on every piece of legislation. The $787B "stimulus" bill (which hasn't stimulated anything), that so far has put 3M more Americans out of work, Cap and tax, which will triple energy bills for all Americans, from gasoline to electricity, and now this stupid "health crises", when 85% of the country has health insurance, and like what they have, but, don't want the government option or single payer system.

Excuse me? You make no sense.
In one sentance you are saying Obama's Stimulus isn't there, but in the next you blame his stilumus for the lack of jobs. Typical doublespeak by a bunch of benchwarming do nothing non patriots.
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Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
Not trying to fool anyone.

That's good because you're very poor at it.

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
That's a moronic conclusion as there are many many things one can be when he declares himself not a republican.

Yet when was the last time we ever saw you disagree with liberal version of events? So you can claim what you wish but to the rest the lean is obvious.

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
DXing, do you disagree?

Nope, no joy in the mishandling of the country whether under GOP or democratic leadership.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 30):
What kind of liberal mumbo-jumbo is that? None of it makes sense to any intellegent person.

Sit down, clear your mind, and think about it for a minute. It will come to you.

Quoting DXing (Reply 35):
Yet when was the last time we ever saw you disagree with liberal version of events?

It happens, you just don't notice it. I've even agreed with KC135 recently, and I noted it.

Quoting DXing (Reply 35):
Nope, no joy in the mishandling of the country whether under GOP or democratic leadership.

Thank you! That is the only point I was trying to make. I wasn't saying anything partisan, but you're just convinced that whatever I say, you must think the opposite.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 30):
I just bought a new one last year

All these ideas of "Buy American" or "Buy Canadian" etc is generally a flawed theory. Most products claiming to be "Made in America" is almost guaranteed to mean only that the product was assembled by an American company but yet the product still consists of multiple parts, which have actually been supplied by an overseas producer.

The same applies to GM, Chrysler, Ford etc. Sure, a vehicle may be "built in America"....but take a look under the hood/bonnet and check out the thousands of parts that were manufactured elsewhere.

I agree with shopping locally and attempting to buy something which will keep a local person employed, but usually it's more expensive and quite often harder to find and of poorer quality.

Many changes have to be made to our society and those who govern and finance us. I certainly don't have all the ideas or answers, but there has to be a major flush of this greedy and morally corrupt world in which we live in and get back to the basics of humanity and a society that cares about their neighbours - Throwing money into the fire will solve nothing.
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Quoting BigBadBoo (Reply 31):
Where is the party for fiscal conservatives who also believe the government should stay out of such issues as abortion, sexuality and so many foreign entanglements?

The Liberitarians.

Quoting Casinterest (Reply 34):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 32):
Think about it: if they can "create" money, why not keep on creating until everyone is a millionaire? If that idea made any sense whatsoever, everyone would be as fat as a pig in this planet and no one would be starving

Because that is what causes inflation.

You do know our money printing presses are running on overtime in Fort Worth, don't you?

Quoting Casinterest (Reply 34):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 30):
BTW, the Repubs have been fighting Obama, Pelosi, and Reid all year long on every piece of legislation. The $787B "stimulus" bill (which hasn't stimulated anything), that so far has put 3M more Americans out of work, Cap and tax, which will triple energy bills for all Americans, from gasoline to electricity, and now this stupid "health crises", when 85% of the country has health insurance, and like what they have, but, don't want the government option or single payer system.

Excuse me? You make no sense.
In one sentance you are saying Obama's Stimulus isn't there, but in the next you blame his stilumus for the lack of jobs. Typical doublespeak by a bunch of benchwarming do nothing non patriots.

Somehow, I didn't expect you to understand it.

BTW, don't ever question my patriotism again, you brainwashed (but not rinsed) liberal.

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 37):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 30):
I just bought a new one last year

All these ideas of "Buy American" or "Buy Canadian" etc is generally a flawed theory. Most products claiming to be "Made in America" is almost guaranteed to mean only that the product was assembled by an American company but yet the product still consists of multiple parts, which have actually been supplied by an overseas producer.

The same applies to GM, Chrysler, Ford etc. Sure, a vehicle may be "built in America"....but take a look under the hood/bonnet and check out the thousands of parts that were manufactured elsewhere.

Correct. Just about everthing made today has parts from many different countries of the world. But, at least by buying American (or Canadian) you are supporting the worker(s) who assembled it.
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
BTW, don't ever question my patriotism again, you brainwashed (but not rinsed) liberal

I will always question the patriotism of those that put politics before other matters in this country.
Always.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
You do know our money printing presses are running on overtime in Fort Worth, don't you?

Yep, but the Chinese keep buying up dollars that we send them to pay for their cheap products. Can't have inflation in the US if the Money isn't staying here.
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Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:32 pm



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 39):

I will always question the patriotism of those that put politics before other matters

 Yeah sure And active duty military could wipe themselves with your questions.

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 37):

The same applies to GM, Chrysler, Ford etc. Sure, a vehicle may be "built in America"....but take a look under the hood/bonnet and check out the thousands of parts that were manufactured elsewhere.

Definitely right about that.

And, many Americans make very good livings engaging in buying or selling products internationally. This is a huge source of American prosperity and is a tradition that goes back earlier than the founding of the country. How it's un-American to trade internationally, is a kook's fantasy, basically.

Again... the reason our government is going $13T in the hole is because elected officials decided they felt like doing it. In my humble opinion they are the non-patriots. Let's test their patriotism the old-fashioned way. If they float, they are unpatriotic. If they sink to the bottom of the ocean, they might have been all right.
 
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 39):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
BTW, don't ever question my patriotism again, you brainwashed (but not rinsed) liberal


[quote=CasInterest,reply=40]Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
You do know our money printing presses are running on overtime in Fort Worth, don't you?

Yep, but the Chinese keep buying up dollars that we send them to pay for their cheap products. Can't have inflation in the US if the Money isn't staying here.



Quoting Flighty (Reply 41):
Quoting CasInterest (Reply 39):

I will always question the patriotism of those that put politics before other matters

And active duty military could wipe themselves with your questions.

Correct, how many times have you put your ass on the line for this country?

Just who's politics don't you like? Liberal? Conservitive? Moderate? Debate is what makes the US, and patriotism great. Only a communist, or a too young softwear geek, would be stupid enough to say what you said about patriotism.

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Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:32 pm

Topboom...'fraid not...miles and miles of paving have been done on I-5 here...

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/funding/stimulus/
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Quoting Bhill (Reply 43):
Topboom...'fraid not...miles and miles of paving have been done on I-5 here...

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/funding/stimulus/

Only about $62.5B (total), of the $787B stimulus bill money has been spent, through August 2009. That is about 7%. Look at these site, a white house site that outlines where the money will go. Through 2012, only 8% will be spent on transportation, which includes highways, rails, airports, and seaports.

Look at this site that savys how much has been spent, to date, and where the money is going. Let it go through all five slides, then you can click on any slide you want to review.

http://www.recovery.gov/

As you can see, only about 8% will be spent on transportation this year, and 30 % in 2012.

I'm betting, since the work by WADOT is already underway, the money came from prior years. The design process, for repaving a highway alone takes close to 12 months. It has only been 7 months since the bill was signed. After the design, and design review, then it goes out for bids from contractors.
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42):
Correct, how many times have you put your ass on the line for this country?

Do you think that gives you a free pass?
You really should stop playing the patriot card. There are many ways to serve other than being in a tanker. How would you like it if some of us said you were less patriotic than us because you weren't a front-liner?
 
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Quoting D L X (Reply 36):
Sometimes, it's like pulling teeth, DXing.

As always, I callem as I seeum.
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Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:58 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 45):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42):
Correct, how many times have you put your ass on the line for this country?

Do you think that gives you a free pass?
You really should stop playing the patriot card. There are many ways to serve other than being in a tanker. How would you like it if some of us said you were less patriotic than us because you weren't a front-liner?

When CasInterest, or anyone else, challanged my patriotism, yes, I will play the patriot card.

BTW, tankers are flying on the front lines, and get shot at by the bad guys. What do you know about tanker operations, or any other military operations? NOTHING? I thought so. You are just another lawyer in country so full of lawyers that you cannot swing a dead cat without hitting three of them.

Now the question is, what patriotic things have you and CasInterst don't for this country? Only voting on election day doesn't count.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:38 pm

KC135, this is exactly why you shouldn't get into arguments about comparative patriotism with people on the net. You don't know them, and they might completely outclass you.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
What do you know about tanker operations, or any other military operations?

Considering I spent five years working on them, more than you think I do, clearly. I've just completed my 7th year of service to my country, btw. So maybe you should chill out.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
You are just another lawyer

Hah... I'm not just another lawyer. But I don't need to go flaunting who I am to win an argument. I use my argument to win an argument, and it's about time you learn to do that too instead of playing the "I'm a patriot, and you're not" card all the time.

If someone like CAS says something you think is childish, just let it stand. No one is denying your service (as you have mine).
 
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Quoting D L X (Reply 48):
KC135, this is exactly why you shouldn't get into arguments about comparative patriotism with people on the net. You don't know them, and they might completely outclass you.

Not by some 25 year old kid who doesn't know anything beyond 1s and 0s.

Quoting D L X (Reply 48):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
What do you know about tanker operations, or any other military operations?

Considering I spent five years working on them, more than you think I do, clearly. I've just completed my 7th year of service to my country, btw. So maybe you should chill out.

Thank you for your service, sir.

Quoting D L X (Reply 48):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
You are just another lawyer

Hah... I'm not just another lawyer.

That's right, you have an aircraft maintenance background, too.

Quoting D L X (Reply 48):
But I don't need to go flaunting who I am to win an argument. I use my argument to win an argument, and it's about time you learn to do that too instead of playing the "I'm a patriot, and you're not" card all the time.

Not when he goes low enough for a personal attack on my patriotism or integrety.

Being a patriot, or not being a patriot has nothing to do with arguing a political position. That is until someone with an opposing political says your position is unpatriotic. Then it is time to nuke them, and disreguard anything they say supporting their position as unintellegent.

All is fair in love, war, and politics.

Quoting D L X (Reply 48):
If someone like CAS says something you think is childish, just let it stand.

No, when he said something stupid like that, it became time to put him back in his place. You as an attorney should be very familure with that tactic, lawyers use that in court a lot to challange an untruth or out right lie.

You and I often disagree on different political subjects. I have no problem with that. You usually accurately state why you believe in this or that, and I may, or may not agree with your argument on the subject. We have disagreed many times, and a few times agreed with each other. But we have been civil to each other. I am normally civil up to the point where I am attacked personally for my position.

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