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Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:18 am

The government has cut off all ties with ACORN and will not be using them anymore with the 2010 census. A video has popped up now showing 2 ACORN workers helping a man posing as a "pimp" start his buisness and his "prostitute" get passed taxes. Wow!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...1/census-bureau-severs-ties-acorn/
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:29 am

Excellent news.ACORN is so riddle with abuses and fraud that it was only matter of time.Good riddens!
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:13 am

I knew about the workers in the Baltimore office, but apparently the pimp/prostitute routine also worked in the DC office.

I'm not a fan of sniper journalism, but for ACORN, I'll make an exception...

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Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:58 pm

Good move, ACORN shouldn't be involved in anything except what they do best like rigging votes.
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Good. Have heard too many negatives and ZERO positives about that organization.
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Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Good. Have heard too many negatives and ZERO positives about that organization.

There are positives, but you're not going to find them on foxnews. I'm sure that even though they are cut off now, conservatives will still blame them for stuff that doesn't cut their way.
 
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Or Cnn, NBC, CBS, MSNBC......

Show me some positive coverage on any of these sites, rather than blaming Fox, and I would consider otherwise.
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Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Good. Have heard too many negatives and ZERO positives about that organization.

There are positives, but you're not going to find them on foxnews. I'm sure that even though they are cut off now, conservatives will still blame them for stuff that doesn't cut their way.



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 6):
Or Cnn, NBC, CBS, MSNBC......

Show me some positive coverage on any of these sites, rather than blaming Fox, and I would consider otherwise.

Correct, what have they done that is positive?
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Correct, what have they done that is positive?

General community advocacy stuff - check out the Wiki page for a more detailed list of their activities. Important stuff, but nothing high-profile or newsworthy; hence, the media shows only their bad side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associa...unity_Organizations_for_Reform_Now

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Good move, ACORN shouldn't be involved in anything except what they do best like rigging votes.

For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.
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Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

There are positives, but you're not going to find them on foxnews. I'm sure that even though they are cut off now, conservatives will still blame them for stuff that doesn't cut their way.

And the elephant in the room is: if Obama was so tightly tied to them before the election, why is this happening now?

If anything, this demonstrates that the ACORN connection that all the conservatives were braying about was a bunch of B.S.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud

Oh, okay, that's makes it much better...the pimp/prostitute incident is more acceptable now.

Thanks for the correction  Smile
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Good move, ACORN shouldn't be involved in anything except what they do best like rigging votes.

For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.

It is funny how it has happened in at least 20 states to just one organization.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

It does not matter if these were rougue employees, or not. ACORN is responsible for their activities while they are working for ACORN, just like any company or employer. ACORN encouraged this activity by promising higher pay to those who "registered" more than 20 voters per shift.

Just follow the money in this report.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_badSeed.pdf

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
If anything, this demonstrates that the ACORN connection that all the conservatives were braying about was a bunch of B.S.

Sure it does.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 10):
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud

Oh, okay, that's makes it much better...the pimp/prostitute incident is more acceptable now.

Thanks for the correction

http://www.rottenacorn.com/

ACORN has its dirty fingers into more than just illegal voter registration.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...corn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html
 
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.

But, let's ask ourselves this question:

Why commit voter registration fraud, if not to follow-up with voter fraud? What good is registration fraud without the follow through?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
And the elephant in the room is: if Obama was so tightly tied to them before the election, why is this happening now?

No, the actual elephant in the room is when is Obama going to throw ACORN under the bus 'ala Rev. Wright?

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Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 12):
But, let's ask ourselves this question:

Why commit voter registration fraud, if not to follow-up with voter fraud? What good is registration fraud without the follow through?

KC's got the right answer...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
ACORN encouraged this activity by promising higher pay to those who "registered" more than 20 voters per shift.

If ACORN is guilty of anything regarding voter/voter registration issues, it is overestimating the honesty of its employees. The employees got lazy and submitted fraudulent registrations, rather than registering actual people. Though some of the registrations were obviously fake (it's a pretty good guess that Mickey Mouse and Michael Jordan aren't going to be registering to vote through ACORN), the organization is bound by law to submit all registration forms it receives.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:00 pm

It is sad how ACORN, born of good intentions, has turned badly. There is no doubt they were good when trying to end 'redlining' by banks and mortgage lenders that wouldn't make loans and mortgages to non-white urban areas. But then they started to extort banks, threating lawsuits, to fight mergers or adding branches unless they made more loans and mortgages as well as add or keep branches in lower income non-white areas even if they had to suffer losses. Some suggest that in part the current bank crises is due to the increasing amount of mortages in high risk areas they demanded and there is some truth in part to that. In more recent years, they have become a rather corrupt and 'radical' group thus any use of government agencies of them should be ended.
 
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
General community advocacy stuff - check out the Wiki page for a more detailed list of their activities. Important stuff, but nothing high-profile or newsworthy; hence, the media shows only their bad side.

I'm sure you could say the same thing about th mafia - they did a lot for their communities as well. So did Hamas and Hezbollah. But just like those organizations, it appears that ACORN's community work was a shield behind which they hide their real agenda.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.

How would we ever know? Are you at every voting station checking? I doubt it would make a difference but just the fact they did what they did was sad. The agency is shady big time buddy. Plain and simple.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):

How would we ever know?

And so therefore, it must have happened because it would support your worldview. Yes, NIKV. We know all about it.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
And so therefore, it must have happened because it would support your worldview. Yes, NIKV. We know all about it.

No Doc Lighting we wouldn't of. I conceded it wouldn't have made much difference but you still stand up for them as long nobody got hurt. Kind of like Bill Ayers, as long as you bomb something when nobody is there it's ok right?  sarcastic 
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It is past time for them to go, how much are we to put up with? Too much is too much. An agency gone wrong once again. What is the old saying about smoke and fire?
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
How would we ever know? Are you at every voting station checking?

I'm not, but the poll workers who check voters in sure are.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
But just like those organizations, it appears that ACORN's community work was a shield behind which they hide their real agenda.

And what, pray tell, is that agenda?
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 20):
And what, pray tell, is that agenda?

Founder Wade Rathke wants to overthrow the capitalist system.

He said so in his book, "Citizen Wealth: Winning the Campaign to Save Working Families", and acknowledges his support for the Cloward-Piven Strategy, an approach to radical social and political change articulated by Marxist university professors Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven in a 1966 Nation article, "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty." The two academics called for "a massive drive to recruit the poor onto the welfare rolls" in an effort to overwhelm the system.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 13):
Though some of the registrations were obviously fake (it's a pretty good guess that Mickey Mouse and Michael Jordan aren't going to be registering to vote through ACORN), the organization is bound by law to submit all registration forms it receives.

Don't forget the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in Nevada. They are not bound by any law to submit knowingly fraudelent registration cards.

What about all those cards they submitted from dead people? Were they NOT expecting the dead to show up to vote on election day?

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
It is past time for them to go, how much are we to put up with? Too much is too much. An agency gone wrong once again. What is the old saying about smoke and fire?

Correct.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
And so therefore, it must have happened because it would support your worldview. Yes, NIKV. We know all about it.

No Doc Lighting we wouldn't of. I conceded it wouldn't have made much difference but you still stand up for them as long nobody got hurt. Kind of like Bill Ayers, as long as you bomb something when nobody is there it's ok right?

Correct. What baffles me is intellegent people who blindly support ACORN without question.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 20):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
How would we ever know? Are you at every voting station checking?

I'm not, but the poll workers who check voters in sure are.

Oh, do you mean like the Black Panthers in Philly?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 20):
And what, pray tell, is that agenda?

Founder Wade Rathke wants to overthrow the capitalist system.

It goes much much deeper than that. All you have to do is follow the money, which doesn't say much for Rathke's book, as he made lots of money from it and ACORN.
 
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
"The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty."

His strategy, of course, would have ended up in abysmal poverty, unlike this guy's:

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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 23):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
"The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty."

His strategy, of course, would have ended up in abysmal poverty, unlike this guy's:

That's because any liberal of socialist only spends one nanosecond thinking about a solution to any problem. They always come up with the same solution.............the government.
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 24):

That's because any liberal of socialist only spends one nanosecond thinking about a solution to any problem. They always come up with the same solution.............the government.

It's no wonder markets are well known for creativity and innovation. . .
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
check out the Wiki

Wiki is not a reliable source.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
the media shows only their bad side.

Can we stop blaming the media for everything? Only Fox speaks of them and I have yet to really hear about ACORN from ANY other source.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Founder Wade Rathke wants to overthrow the capitalist system.

He said so in his book, "Citizen Wealth: Winning the Campaign to Save Working Families", and acknowledges his support for the Cloward-Piven Strategy,

So, the *founder* allegedly wants to overthrow the capitalist system. What about ACORN itself? That was the question.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
Don't forget the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in Nevada. They are not bound by any law to submit knowingly fraudelent registration cards.

What about all those cards they submitted from dead people? Were they NOT expecting the dead to show up to vote on election day?

So, people assigned to register voters, regardless of party, were shown they can not be trusted. Those *working* for ACORN forged documents; not ACORN itself. Outsourcing?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
All you have to do is follow the money, which doesn't say much for Rathke's book, as he made lots of money from it and ACORN.

Much like the conservative commentators make so much money from their books? How some of them buy 100,000 copies, make the best seller list because of that, then give those books away claiming they are "best selling authors." Right.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):

No Doc Lighting we wouldn't of. I conceded it wouldn't have made much difference but you still stand up for them as long nobody got hurt.

Please quote where I stood up for them. Because I never did. I have no use for ACORN.

Oh wait. You won't even try to quote it because when you're wrong, you just ignore it.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
Don't forget the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in Nevada. They are not bound by any law to submit knowingly fraudelent registration cards.

That is quite simply incorrect. They are required in most states to submit all registration forms they recieve. In Ohio, for example:

Quote:
(2)(a) No person who helps another person register outside an official voter registration place shall knowingly fail to return any registration form entrusted to that person to any board of elections or the office of the secretary of state within ten days after that regsitration form is completed, or on or before the thirtieth day before the election, whichever day is earlier...
Whoever violates this division is guilty of election falsification, a felony of the fifth degree...

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3599.11
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Founder Wade Rathke wants to overthrow the capitalist system.

From the Amazon.com page on the book you point to:

Quote:
In Citizen Wealth, Rathke shows how food stamps, unemployment insurance, and tax relief offer temporary, stop-gap fixes but dont address the systemic problems that keep people from building up the assets they need to create a stable life for themselves and their families. A real, workable plan to end poverty, Rathke argues, requires a two-pronged approach. First, we need to create wealth through home ownership, and job acquisition and security, lengthens the distance between the poor house and the safe house. Second, we must also prevent the predatory attempts to reduce the relatively little wealth that many low and moderate-income families have. Such dual-track wealth-building approaches protect against the vicissitudes of income: temporary job loss, health issues, credit restrictions and more.

So he thinks that food stamps and welfare don't fix the fundamental problems that lead to poverty, and wants to focus more on building jobs. Sounds downright, you know, capitalist.
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Still waiting for the quote where I supported ACORN, NIKV.

...still waiting.
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Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 26):
Can we stop blaming the media for everything? Only Fox speaks of them and I have yet to really hear about ACORN from ANY other source.

You won't either. The liberal news media will not report on them, unless they do something wonderful......

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 27):
So, people assigned to register voters, regardless of party, were shown they can not be trusted. Those *working* for ACORN forged documents; not ACORN itself. Outsourcing?

First, ACORN only registers for the democrats. They do not register any republicans or any other politiical party. Second, these are not "outsoursed" employees, they are hired by and paid by ACORN, then fired by ACORN after ACORN gets caught. They are employees of ACORN, just like the girls ACORN fired in Washington and Baltimore for giving tax, housing and "business" advise to the "pimp" and the "hooker" were their employees.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 27):
Much like the conservative commentators make so much money from their books? How some of them buy 100,000 copies, make the best seller list because of that, then give those books away claiming they are "best selling authors." Right.

Most of these books sell for $20 or $30 for the hard back version. So, someone is going to spend $2M-$3M just to get on the NYT best sellers list? I would just love to see your links or evidence for that.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
If anything, this demonstrates that the ACORN connection that all the conservatives were braying about was a bunch of B.S.

Well, Obama does have a very long connection to ACORN, not jhust the $800K he paid them last year to "register voters". He was their lawyer in ACORN v. IL in 1992, he became their "trainer" later that year. They helped in his congressional candidicy in 1995, and his IL Senate run in 2002, US Sebate run in 2006 and Presidential run last year.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203

With all the political charges of corruption, voter registration, bank intimadation, mortgage fraud, etc. I would say the Repubs should be skeptical of them, at the very least.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 29):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
Don't forget the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in Nevada. They are not bound by any law to submit knowingly fraudelent registration cards.


That is quite simply incorrect. They are required in most states to submit all registration forms they recieve. In Ohio, for example:

That has what to do with voter registrations in NV? BTW they are also under investigation for voter registration fraud in OH, too. There are some 20 states looking into voter registration fraud committed by ACORN. Do you see a trend here?
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
That has what to do with voter registrations in NV? BTW they are also under investigation for voter registration fraud in OH, too. There are some 20 states looking into voter registration fraud committed by ACORN. Do you see a trend here?

Yes, there is a trend - there are lazy, deceitful people in at least 20 US states. Wow, what a suprise.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
First, ACORN only registers for the democrats. They do not register any republicans or any other politiical party.

Incorrect - they register voters, regardless of party. True, they do registration drives among populations that traditionally vote Dem, but it's not like they're throwing away registration forms if the new voter checks off Republican instead of Democrat.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
First, ACORN only registers for the democrats. They do not register any republicans or any other politiical party.

Source?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
Second, these are not "outsoursed" employees, they are hired by and paid by ACORN, then fired by ACORN after ACORN gets caught.

So, they do not hire temporary employees to stand on street corners to get signatures?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
He was their lawyer in ACORN v. IL in 1992, he became their "trainer" later that year.

So? He won a case, ACORN liked what they saw and they asked him to be a trainer.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
They helped in his congressional candidicy in 1995, and his IL Senate run in 2002, US Sebate run in 2006 and Presidential run last year.

Helped like how? Like "Oh, gee... this guy did good for us, we want to good for him" help or what? I know what you are insinuating, but where are the hard facts? Besides, when a corporation backs a Republican, the same charge could be made.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 32):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
That has what to do with voter registrations in NV? BTW they are also under investigation for voter registration fraud in OH, too. There are some 20 states looking into voter registration fraud committed by ACORN. Do you see a trend here?


Yes, there is a trend - there are lazy, deceitful people in at least 20 US states. Wow, what a suprise.

In 2008 ACORN registered voters in 21 states, all but one have voter registration fraud. That seems to be a lot of "lazy and deceitful" employees/

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 32):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
First, ACORN only registers for the democrats. They do not register any republicans or any other politiical party.

Incorrect - they register voters, regardless of party. True, they do registration drives among populations that traditionally vote Dem, but it's not like they're throwing away registration forms if the new voter checks off Republican instead of Democrat.



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
First, ACORN only registers for the democrats. They do not register any republicans or any other politiical party.

Source?

How about this from Dade County in FL?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st.../story/10-13-2004/0002275937&EDATE

"This report reveals ACORN's pattern and practice of deception and fraud,"
said EPI research director Craig Garthwaite. "The latest allegations of
widespread voter registration fraud should prove to be the last of ACORN's
nine political lives."
Former ACORN Miami-Dade field director Mac Stuart has declared an intent
to sue ACORN and has made charges of rampant voter fraud operations. Stuart
was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to generate 103,000 new voter
registrations from Dade County. He reports that ACORN threw out Republican
registrations while paying for Democratic ones. Stuart also charges that
ACORN targeted ex-cons and that he personally set up registration tables
outside the Miami police department and Dade County jail. He went on to
state, "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it
started."
ACORN has paid workers for every voter registration card collected -- a
felony in Florida and also illegal in Missouri and Pennsylvania. ACORN also
routinely accepted signatures for Amendment 5 from individuals who were not
currently registered to vote -- a requirement under Florida law.
Voter registration and petition fraud is just the latest chapter in
ACORN's long sordid history."

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
They helped in his congressional candidicy in 1995, and his IL Senate run in 2002, US Sebate run in 2006 and Presidential run last year.

Helped like how? Like "Oh, gee... this guy did good for us, we want to good for him" help or what? I know what you are insinuating, but where are the hard facts? Besides, when a corporation backs a Republican, the same charge could be made.

Corporations are not allow, in most states to fund voter registration drives. Obama paid ACORN $800,000 in 2008 to "get out the vote for him". They asked people they were taking to the polls who they were voting for, against the law in all 50 states. Anyone who said McCain were not taken to the polls by ACORN.
 
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Current headlines on CNN...........Kanye West took Taylor Swifts mic during MTV awards....
Current headlines on FoxNews..... ACORN exposed again in NYC......

Hmmm.......No media bias there...

(bty- Class act by Beyonce to give Taylor her due stage )

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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 34):
How about this from Dade County in FL?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...EDATE

Also, from Dade County:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min...y/1225950.html?storylink=mirelated

I enjoyed this passage:

"Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.

''We've been very aggressive about a lot of these cases,'' she said. ''But we would not have known about these workers unless ACORN brought it to us.

''It's really minor, ineffectual attempts to justify getting paid an hourly basis. It could not have impacted the voting process whatsoever. Nonetheless, we cannot turn a blind eye to this,'' Rundle added.

The Florida Chapter of the Republican National Lawyers Association praised Rundle for pursuing the case, saying the alleged crime is ''a serious matter.''"

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 34):
They asked people they were taking to the polls who they were voting for, against the law in all 50 states. Anyone who said McCain were not taken to the polls by ACORN.

But, all those people standing in the cold rain for eight hours waiting to vote in Ohio during the 2004 election was fine. Those people in heavily Democratic areas who were not allowed to vote because their names were allegedly similar to criminals was fine. The US Supreme Court telling Florida when to stop counting votes is fine.

While looking for links to these things, I found something interesting:

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/ch9.htm

From the above page (about the Florida vote in 2000):

"Poorer counties, particularly those with large minority populations, were more likely to use voting systems with higher spoilage rates than more affluent counties with significant white populations. For example, in Gadsden County, the only county in the state with an African American majority, approximately one in eight voters was disenfranchised. In Leon County, on the other hand, which is home to the prosperous state capital and two state universities, fewer than two votes in 1,000 were not counted. In Florida, of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of disqualified ballots, 83 of them are majority-black precincts.

Even in counties where the same voting technology was used, blacks were far more likely to have their votes rejected than whites."

But, there was no fraud going on there, was there?
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I've never cared for ACORN in any way, but I undestarnd from watching today news while getting ready for work that the got caught giving advice to people on how to cheat on their taxes. How is that different from a Swiss UBS employee wearing a $5k suit telling people to move their money to Switzerland to avoid taxes? And that was actually defended by some people here
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 37):

I've never cared for ACORN in any way, but I undestarnd from watching today news while getting ready for work that the got caught giving advice to people on how to cheat on their taxes.

They were advising people how to cheat on their taxes AND provide a working environment for underage girls (described to ACORN employees as ages 13-14) being brought in to the country from Central America for the purpose of prostitution. In other words, how to get a government-assisted mortgage to open a brothel catering to pedophiles.

Does UBS offer that sort of advice?
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):

Does UBS offer that sort of advice?

So if it was tax cheating only, you would have defended them?
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 39):
So if it was tax cheating only, you would have defended them?

Depends if it were tax avoidance (which is legal) or tax cheating (which is not). In this case it was cheating (by falsifying records), so no.

But the tax crime pales in comparison to the child prostitution thing. Am I understanding that you seem to think the reverse?
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 40):
Am I understanding that you seem to think the reverse?

Of course not - silly buns.


Tax avoidance is legal?

hmm i guess it might be.. different from tax evasion... i wonder how UBS sold it?

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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 41):
Tax avoidance is legal?

Tax avoidance is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage, to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. For example, the creation of trusts or foundations, or moving to a place with lower tax rates.

Tax evasion (or tax cheating) is when you deliberately misrepresent information to the tax authorities, like underreporting your income, or (in the case with ACORN) declaring that the brothel is performing arts establishment.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 42):
Tax avoidance is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage, to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. For example, the creation of trusts or foundations, or moving to a place with lower tax rates.

Tax evasion (or tax cheating) is when you deliberately misrepresent information to the tax authorities, like underreporting your income

So did UBS help "avoid" or "evade" taxes?

The IRS is calling it "evasion"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aIwcvA9gW3dE

Who knew UBS has a lot in common with ACORN (minus prostitution - of course)

So will you be defending ACORN in the tax evasion angle angle?
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 35):
Current headlines on CNN...........Kanye West took Taylor Swifts mic during MTV awards....
Current headlines on FoxNews..... ACORN exposed again in NYC......

Hmmm.......No media bias there...

Of course not..................

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 36):
Also, from Dade County:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min...y/1225950.html?storylink=mirelated

I enjoyed this passage:

"Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.

''We've been very aggressive about a lot of these cases,'' she said. ''But we would not have known about these workers unless ACORN brought it to us.

''It's really minor, ineffectual attempts to justify getting paid an hourly basis. It could not have impacted the voting process whatsoever. Nonetheless, we cannot turn a blind eye to this,'' Rundle added.

So, it seems even the State Attorney thinks some of these fraudent people actually voted? Why wasn't the county voter registration board or the state attorney doing their job?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 36):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 34):
They asked people they were taking to the polls who they were voting for, against the law in all 50 states. Anyone who said McCain were not taken to the polls by ACORN.

But, all those people standing in the cold rain for eight hours waiting to vote in Ohio during the 2004 election was fine. Those people in heavily Democratic areas who were not allowed to vote because their names were allegedly similar to criminals was fine. The US Supreme Court telling Florida when to stop counting votes is fine.

People standing in line waiting to cast their votes is the legal way to do it. The weather has nothing to do with it. Was that Bush's fault? But, refusing to take someone to the polls just because they will not vote for Obama is disenfrangising the voter.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 36):
While looking for links to these things, I found something interesting:

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/ch9.htm

From the above page (about the Florida vote in 2000):

"Poorer counties, particularly those with large minority populations, were more likely to use voting systems with higher spoilage rates than more affluent counties with significant white populations. For example, in Gadsden County, the only county in the state with an African American majority, approximately one in eight voters was disenfranchised. In Leon County, on the other hand, which is home to the prosperous state capital and two state universities, fewer than two votes in 1,000 were not counted. In Florida, of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of disqualified ballots, 83 of them are majority-black precincts.

Even in counties where the same voting technology was used, blacks were far more likely to have their votes rejected than whites."

But, there was no fraud going on there, was there?

Each and every one of those alleged cases were looked at by the FEC, DNC, and GOP. Nothing was found.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 37):
I've never cared for ACORN in any way, but I undestarnd from watching today news while getting ready for work that the got caught giving advice to people on how to cheat on their taxes. How is that different from a Swiss UBS employee wearing a $5k suit telling people to move their money to Switzerland to avoid taxes? And that was actually defended by some people here



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
They were advising people how to cheat on their taxes AND provide a working environment for underage girls (described to ACORN employees as ages 13-14) being brought in to the country from Central America for the purpose of prostitution. In other words, how to get a government-assisted mortgage to open a brothel catering to pedophiles.



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 39):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):

Does UBS offer that sort of advice?


So if it was tax cheating only, you would have defended them?



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 40):
Quoting Mt99 (Reply 39):
So if it was tax cheating only, you would have defended them?

Depends if it were tax avoidance (which is legal) or tax cheating (which is not). In this case it was cheating (by falsifying records), so no.

But the tax crime pales in comparison to the child prostitution thing. Am I understanding that you seem to think the reverse?



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 41):
Tax avoidance is legal?

hmm i guess it might be.. different from tax evasion



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 42):
Tax avoidance is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage, to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. For example, the creation of trusts or foundations, or moving to a place with lower tax rates.

Tax evasion (or tax cheating) is when you deliberately misrepresent information to the tax authorities, like underreporting your income, or (in the case with ACORN) declaring that the brothel is performing arts establishment.

Yes, tax avoidence is legal in the US, read the IRS tax code. However, in the US )except some NV counties) prostitution is illegal, esspeically when it is child prostitution. That is also illegal in Nevada.
 
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 35):
Current headlines on CNN...........Kanye West took Taylor Swifts mic during MTV awards....
Current headlines on FoxNews..... ACORN exposed again in NYC......

Uh oh...foot in mouth. Wolf Blitzer devoted an entire 8 minute segment to the ACORN sting in New York on last night's Situation Room.
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 45):
Uh oh...foot in mouth.

WoW...8 whole minutes.......and foot in your mouth...still nothing on the CNN web site........Last night on FoxNews Glenn Beck picked several current news events and shows the number of stories done by major video and print news media. It was very interesting to see the bias. They also reported that yet another ACORN story will break later today.

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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 44):
So, it seems even the State Attorney thinks some of these fraudent people actually voted? Why wasn't the county voter registration board or the state attorney doing their job?

What part of "It could not have affected the voting process whatsoever" did you not understand?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 44):
People standing in line waiting to cast their votes is the legal way to do it. The weather has nothing to do with it.

But when people living in poorer, predominantly black neighborhoods have fewer polling places, and hence longer lines, than those in richer, predominantly white neighborhoods, that's highly problematic.
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 46):
WoW...8 whole minutes.......and foot in your mouth...still nothing on the CNN web site

8 minutes is a long time in a ~50-minute program.

As for nothing on the website, do you even check before posting?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS...9/10/acorn.prostitution/index.html

This is exactly the kind of nonsense we're talking about in this thread.
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 48):
This is exactly the kind of nonsense we're talking about in this thread.

That link was from four days ago...!! Go there right now- today- just after you read this and read the main page and add in that the US Senate has just voted to cut funding, the Census has cut off ties, the DA of Brooklyn is starting a fraud probe on ACORN... that has happened in two other cities...with reported more to come.

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