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Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:41 am

So after their triumphant victory in suceeding to have Van Jones resign from his position, Glenn Beck and the other right wing nut jobs on Fox News as well as Rush Limabaugh and others, has started to go after more of Obama's staff. In the clip below, you'll see Hannity asking what others remain in the W/H to be removed as well as Beck and one of his more "colorful" chalk board schemes talking about how Obama is sinking the constitutional ship and what not. It's really a must watch. At this point, i'm wondering if this guy's audience (if there remains anyone) is brain dead. I expect this nonsense to continue on for the next four years. The right wing doesn't understand that they're collapsing, so they resort to making stuff up, it's really entertaining. I expect any day not, Glenn Beck will team up with Alex Jones, I GUARANTEE it.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:47 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
In the clip below, you'll see Hannity asking what others remain in the W/H to be removed as well as Beck and one of his more "colorful" chalk board schemes talking about how Obama is sinking the constitutional ship and what not.

I guess my "Idiotic BS" filter really is working!  Wink

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Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:09 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
The right wing doesn't understand that they're collapsing, so they resort to making stuff up, it's really entertaining.

The right is collapsing? Poll numbers would disagree with you.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
So after their triumphant victory in suceeding to have Van Jones resign from his position

You don't think Van Jones is a crackpot?
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:56 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
So after their triumphant victory in suceeding to have Van Jones resign from his position, Glenn Beck and the other right wing nut jobs on Fox News as well as Rush Limabaugh and others, has started to go after more of Obama's staff.

Good. It's about time somebody in the media start scrutinizing the whackos finding their way into government appointments.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:55 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
Good. It's about time somebody in the media start scrutinizing the whackos finding their way into government

Hate to break it to you but there whacko's in EVERY adminsitration Democrat and Republican. And it's mostly based on people's perceptions . So even if we get a new president in 2012....yep... you guessed it. They will have whacko's too.

And yeah.... Glen Beck? Tool.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:22 am



Quoting Force13 (Reply 4):
Hate to break it to you but there whacko's in EVERY adminsitration Democrat and Republican.

Correct. The media's job is to be watchdogs, not lapdogs.

Quoting Force13 (Reply 4):
And it's mostly based on people's perceptions .

Sorry, but if you think our pets need lawyers, or that the First Amendment protections on free speech were a mistake, or that Capitalism must be eliminated, it's not a problem of perception.
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Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 2):
The right is collapsing? Poll numbers would disagree with you.

As I said before, in a few years, consrvatism will be completely gone in this country, the people are gonna see and realize justhow crazy a lot of these right wingers are and the fact that every point that Glenn Beck or Limbaugh makes on their shows, they NEVER EVER, have any evidence to back it up. Limbaugh makes a point, "there are communists in the gov't and Obama is trying to convert the country to communism", yet, he has no proof, no evidence to back up his claims. It's unbeleivable that people realy listen to these guys and put their trust in everything that they say, when they should realize that in the end, all guys like Limbaugh care about is their money, they could care less about this country because when it's time for them to retire, they have their millions waiting for them as well as a nice chateau in France. These guys talk about conservative America this and family values that, yet no one is mixed up in sex scandals and drug usage more than right wing republicans. So yes, in my view, their way of life is collapsing.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:53 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
"there are communists in the gov't and Obama is trying to convert the country to communism", yet, he has no proof, no evidence to back up his claims.

Never mind all the speeches and writings they quote from, right from the people they critisize? Van Jones for example was indeed a communist - of the Maoist variety. He said it and he wrote it. You say that is not proof? If I hit you in the head with a bat, can I say that I didn't?
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:07 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Never mind all the speeches and writings they quote from, right from the people they critisize? Van Jones for example was indeed a communist - of the Maoist variety. He said it and he wrote it. You say that is not proof? If I hit you in the head with a bat, can I say that I didn't?

So I guess our president is a Communist then? Wow, I mean I just didn't see it coming  sarcastic  . It doesn't surprise me that as soon as a democrat makes into the W/H, he's a communist, but when Bush was literally tearing the world apart, he was fighting terrorism, Obama has a guy in his administration that said a couple of things a while ago, and his whole administration is communist. It never ceases to amaze me. And where did he write it? What proof of him writing it, where are these documents, where did he say it? Where all these things, where are they?. You know what, somebody do a simple google search and try to show me proof, i'm not gonna do it because I don't need to, for now, i'm gonna be ignorant and say it doesn't exist, until I see some proof, and not just a few words he wrote in a joke letter. Show me a communist article of his, a dissertation from long ago maybe. Other than that there is not proof.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:37 am

Obama is a whole different breed. Whether you see it in a positive or negative view it's up to you.
 
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:53 am

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 8):

Boy, you really are blind. Are you so enamored of Obama and all things Obama, that you have closed off what surrounds the man?

Obama is not a Communist, but he most certainly is a Socialist. A center-Socialist from the European point-of-view, but a Socialist none the less.

Your little tirade about proof and how you're not going to look for it reminds me of someone who covers his ears and eyes and screams blah-blah-blah at the top of his lungs so he doesn't see or hear the truth.

So, it was OK for the media to go after anybody they could think of in the Bush Administration, but not OK for the Obama?

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Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:06 am

People don't actually take these wack jobs seriously do they? I mean honestly!
 
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:08 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Sorry, but if you think our pets need lawyers, or that the First Amendment protections on free speech were a mistake, or that Capitalism must be eliminated, it's not a problem of perception.

Again, your opinion based on your personal perception and interpretation.

And here's one more thing for EVERYONE. You are entitled to your opinion. But back up your "factual" claims with proper citations and documentation or you will be taken as seriously as a wikipedia entry.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:24 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 12):
Again, your opinion based on your personal perception and interpretation.



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
Your little tirade about proof and how you're not going to look for it reminds me of someone who covers his ears and eyes and screams blah-blah-blah at the top of his lungs so he doesn't see or hear the truth.

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Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:13 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
Your little tirade about proof and how you're not going to look for it reminds me of someone who covers his ears and eyes and screams blah-blah-blah at the top of his lungs so he doesn't see or hear the truth.

And we still continue on without any proof, what is this truth you're talking about? truth this truth that, but not much elaboration. First off, it wasn't a tirade, let's get that straight, i'm just sick and tired of people in the media, running their mouths off with these non-sensical remarks without any proof. Now, I don't deny that Obama has some socialist beliefs, I mean that's obvious in a lot of his decisions, but that's not the reason why I wrote this article. I want to know why the right wing and the right wing media, continues to make these communist claims without any proof? And by the way, what are you trying to prove by saying....

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
Boy, you really are blind. Are you so enamored of Obama and all things Obama, that you have closed off what surrounds the man?

Are you kidding me? I love how people think that I am in love with all things Obama. Like I have a lifesize picture of him in my dorm, or I tattoed his name on my body or something. I don't agree with all of Obama's policies so don't put me in the same breath as people such as Obama girl, like i'm in love with this guy. Besides this is a straight on attack on the right wing media who is trying to perpetuate fear in their listeners with all these rediculous claims without PROOF.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:16 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
It's about time somebody in the media start scrutinizing the whackos finding their way into government appointments

Interesting that appointments "serve at the pleasure of the president" but when a Democratic president makes appointments that don't set well with anyone on the right, they have to be replaced with those that the right can live with: those that are on the right.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:19 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Van Jones for example was indeed a communist - of the Maoist variety. He said it and he wrote it.

The key word there being was. Jones used to hold communist views, but moved back towards the center as he aged. So the "he's a communist, we must fear him!" stuff is bogus.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Sorry, but if you think our pets need lawyers, or that the First Amendment protections on free speech were a mistake, or that Capitalism must be eliminated, it's not a problem of perception.

The "pets need lawyers" line, I assume, is a reference to Cass Sunstein, and is misleading. What Sunstein suggests is that animals ought to be able to be named as plaintiffs in cases where animal protection laws are violated, since they are the victims. The line about the First Amendment is completely bogus; I know of no one in the administration who feels that way. Likewise with the last line; true, the administration wants to move the US slightly to the left on the Pure Socialism to Pure Capitalism spectrum, but we're still a fundamentally capitalist society.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:47 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):

Correct. The media's job is to be watchdogs, not lapdogs.

OK, but you know that watchdog that goes berzerk whenever a squirrel runs past and won't shut up to the point where you have to de-bark it? That's Beck/Hannity.

To Mr. Hannity, I wish him a benign, but non-operable polyp on his vocal cords.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:28 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
OK, but you know that watchdog that goes berzerk whenever a squirrel runs past and won't shut up to the point where you have to de-bark it? That's Beck/Hannity.

Love that comparison, absolutely love it. And conservatives love to watch them because they want to believe that our gov't is being destroyed by Obama. But Bush was doing such a great job right?
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:10 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
But Bush was doing such a great job right?

You know, this isn't about Bush anymore, it's about Obama and the folks he's chosen to be in his administration. Bush isn't President anymore, he didn't even run.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:33 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
At this point, i'm wondering if this guy's audience (if there remains anyone) is brain dead.

You mean like Democrats?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
The right wing doesn't understand that they're collapsing, so they resort to making stuff up,

Just keep thinking that, sonny boy.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 2):
The right is collapsing? Poll numbers would disagree with you.

Fact are meaningless to him. They only get in the way of the BS his college professors are shoveling into him.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Quoting Force13 (Reply 4):
And it's mostly based on people's perceptions .

Sorry, but if you think our pets need lawyers, or that the First Amendment protections on free speech were a mistake, or that Capitalism must be eliminated, it's not a problem of perception.

Well, Force13, how do you perceive that, then?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 2):
The right is collapsing? Poll numbers would disagree with you.

As I said before, in a few years, consrvatism will be completely gone in this country, the people are gonna see and realize justhow crazy a lot of these right wingers are and the fact that every point that Glenn Beck or Limbaugh makes on their shows, they NEVER EVER, have any evidence to back it up.

Maybe all the red states should form a new country? Then you can do what ever you want to the old one.

Quoting Force13 (Reply 12):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Sorry, but if you think our pets need lawyers, or that the First Amendment protections on free speech were a mistake, or that Capitalism must be eliminated, it's not a problem of perception.

Again, your opinion based on your personal perception and interpretation.

I really would like to hear how you interpet all of this.

Quoting Force13 (Reply 12):
And here's one more thing for EVERYONE. You are entitled to your opinion. But back up your "factual" claims with proper citations and documentation or you will be taken as seriously as a wikipedia entry.

Oh, do you mean like the ACORN entry in wikipedia?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 14):
I want to know why the right wing and the right wing media, continues to make these communist claims without any proof?

Because Van Jones said it.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 14):
And by the way, what are you trying to prove by saying....

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
Boy, you really are blind. Are you so enamored of Obama and all things Obama, that you have closed off what surrounds the man?

Maybe you English Professor can explain it to you? BTW, has he/she ever told you that you never begin a sentince with the word "And"?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
It's about time somebody in the media start scrutinizing the whackos finding their way into government appointments

Interesting that appointments "serve at the pleasure of the president"

Now there's a new spin. I guess it was different when Bush fired the 8 Fedral Prosicuters when they "served at the pleasure of the President"?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Van Jones for example was indeed a communist - of the Maoist variety. He said it and he wrote it.

The key word there being was. Jones used to hold communist views, but moved back towards the center as he aged.

Oh, I see, then calling the Republicans a$$holes was just a slip of the tongue, three times last weekend?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
The line about the First Amendment is completely bogus; I know of no one in the administration who feels that way.

So, Obama saying people need to stop questioning their Congressmen/women and Senators about health care isn't a violation of their first Amendment Rights?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
To Mr. Hannity, I wish him a benign, but non-operable polyp on his vocal cords.

That's real nice coming from a doctor. Every conservitive I know, including Saun Hannity and Rush Limbaugh expressed hope for Senator Kennedy's recovery from brain cancer. I guess that was a different time, way back in 2008.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
And conservatives love to watch them because they want to believe that our gov't is being destroyed by Obama.

There you go using "And" again to begin a sentince. BTW, Obama is destroying our government. Do YOU know how much YOU know owe China, just because of the deficit this year?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
But Bush was doing such a great job right?

No, he didn't. But he did do better than the wresling tag team of King Barack 1, Princess Nancy, and Village Idiot Harry.
 
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:57 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Oh, I see, then calling the Republicans a$$holes was just a slip of the tongue, three times last weekend?

"Republicans are assholes" is hardly a statement of communist views.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
So, Obama saying people need to stop questioning their Congressmen/women and Senators about health care isn't a violation of their first Amendment Rights?

When did he say that?

(Hint - the answer is never.)
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:06 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 19):
You know, this isn't about Bush anymore, it's about Obama and the folks he's chosen to be in his administration. Bush isn't President anymore, he didn't even run.

Yea, keep making excuses.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):

I guarantee you, go out into the world, and ask anyone in the street if Obama has done a worst job than Bush, 99% of the people will say no. Please tell me one thing that Bush handled well while he was in office. He is resposible for the debt we're in, he was responsible for the bloodbath civil war which he and his moronic advisers caused in Iraq, He is responsible for allowing the U.S. economy for getting in such bad shape and almost causing the worst recession since the great depression, and he did a good job? Man, I guess some people are just so stubborn, they just can't face the facts. This man is the MOST hated man in the world at this point in history, the most hated. Some people hate him him more than HITLER, some have said he is worst than Hitler, which I think is more than favorable comparison. But the right wing just can't face facts. But it's fine, I understand that you guys won't budge. You think Bush did such a great job and you will praise him till the day you die. So i'm finished with this argument completely, because as far as I know, Billions of people around the world and millions in this country, would find it impossible to hate that man more than they already do. The families of the american servicemen and women that he has ruined with his so called mission in Iraq when he knew that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. But he sat there and lied to us, for 8 years, and people still praise him for that. Unbelievable.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:13 pm



Quoting Tk747 (Reply 11):
People don't actually take these wack jobs seriously do they? I mean honestly!

Rational people don't and liberal or conservative rationalists are able to understand that these talk show hosts are simply stirring the pot.

The issue is with the loud majority of irrational people who think the Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh are the champions of the conservative viewpoint. These people exist on the left as well but they are far quieter. People on the right may disagree with me on that but when Bush was being protested who on the left would have been able to bring guns to town halls then, it would have never been tolerated.

Also the American media gives way to much airtime to loud, ignorant people as in August with the town hall outburst and rarely calls them to task, such as any of the Nazi accusations or the guy who said "Get your government hands off my Medicare."

I would bet that outburst happened in about 20-30 districts out of I think 435 but it was a daily story and it was made to believe that it was happening everywhere.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:20 pm

I have no problem if a 'conservative' commentator like Beck goes after those where legitment questions exist, use solid proof and if their views are racist, sexist, or otherwise objectionable to many Americans. Van Jones had made in public some objectionable statements as well as signed on to a petition of an organization that challanged what caused the 9/11/01 attacks. Problem with going after Van Jones in that way was that their real objection was over his pro-consumer views as to the economy and 'green' projects.
 
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RE: Glenn Beck/Hannity Goes After More Obama Staff

Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:23 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 24):
Problem with going after Van Jones in that way was that their real objection was over his pro-consumer views as to the economy and 'green' projects.

His views were as pro-consumer as Marx was.
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:41 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):

That's real nice coming from a doctor. Every conservitive I know, including Saun Hannity and Rush Limbaugh expressed hope for Senator Kennedy's recovery from brain cancer. I guess that was a different time, way back in 2008.

It has nothing to do with politics. Hannity's an ass who has nothing valid to say. He proved that with the Grey Pupon incident. In a way, he's worse than a Nazi or a Communist. At least those groups have a suggestion for how to proceed differently. Hannity never has anything to say; he can only criticize those against whom he has a personal vendetta. I can't wait to catch him at his own hypocrisy like Rush and the pain pills. Hannity is a bad man and he's gone to great lengths to demonstrate this to anyone with a shred of character judgement.

But if you think that Hannity and Kennedy are even remotely in the same league, it does help me to see how you frame reality.
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:31 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
It has nothing to do with politics. Hannity's an ass who has nothing valid to say.

I agree Hannity is a pompous ass. But he's also a successful media personality (likely as a result of his "assitude"). He asks "tough questions" insofar that he his quite skilled effective at cutting dissenters off and twisting a conversation to suit his point. But Olbermann, Maddow et al do the same thing. That's why they get paid the big bucks (yet in the latter cases have markedly smaller audiences).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
In a way, he's worse than a Nazi or a Communist.

Oh come on! Spare me this melodramatic hyperbole. It's beneath you and only serves to cheapen the discussion. No one on this forum is five years old, so we should all act accordingly.  sarcastic 

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
At least those groups have a suggestion for how to proceed differently.

I'm not a Sean Hannity fan, but I've listened to his radio show occasionally when they start talking too much on the XM "Real Jazz" channel.  Wink He does actually bring up some ideas of his own, but that's not the focus of his show. He's effective at getting his points across, sure. While I feel he makes some valid points, I don't think he has the intellectual chops to back up his opinions with balanced discussion. He doesn't strike me as a very intelligent man, or even one capable of engaging in an effective back-and-forth dialogue about his points of view. But a communist? A Nazi? Get real. You're a better debater than that.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
Hannity is a bad man and he's gone to great lengths to demonstrate this to anyone with a shred of character judgement.

I consider myself to be a pretty good judge of character and I don't believe Hannity is a "bad" man. He's actually a pretty decent human being who is respectful of his guests and seems publicly affable. But he's not the leader of the Republicans, or even the conservatives, and neither is Rush Limbaugh. Quite frankly, we have no clear leader right now. But I dont' take marching orders from any talk show host who, by the very nature of their job, do their best to stir the pot. And neither do fellow conservatives I know.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
I can't wait to catch him at his own hypocrisy like Rush and the pain pills.

You look forward to crucifying someone with a substance abuse problem. And you're a claimed physician. Hm.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):

But if you think that Hannity and Kennedy are even remotely in the same league, it does help me to see how you frame reality.

Um...how in the world did you pull that out of his post? I believe his point that even Kennedy's most vocal critics wished him well with his disease, and expressed sorrow for his loss. And here you are wishing a tumor for a talk show host. That's almost as arrogant as someone using an honorific to refer to themselves in an Internet forum.  Wink
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:56 am

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
As I said before, in a few years, consrvatism will be completely gone in this country, the people are gonna see and realize justhow crazy a lot of these right wingers are and the fact that every point that Glenn Beck or Limbaugh makes on their shows, they NEVER EVER, have any evidence to back it up. Limbaugh makes a point, "there are communists in the gov't and Obama is trying to convert the country to communism", yet, he has no proof, no evidence to back up his claims

Wow. Such a claim. Beck, Limbaugh, who never, never ever, have any evidence. Just a bunch of "right wing nut jobs," as you say:

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
It's unbeleivable that people realy listen to these guys and put their trust in everything that they say



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 14):
And we still continue on without any proof, what is this truth you're talking about?



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 14):
i'm just sick and tired of people in the media, running their mouths off with these non-sensical remarks without any proof.



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 14):
Besides this is a straight on attack on the right wing media who is trying to perpetuate fear in their listeners with all these rediculous claims without PROOF.

Then, you throw out your statistically proven statement of:

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 22):
I guarantee you, go out into the world, and ask anyone in the street if Obama has done a worst job than Bush, 99% of the people will say no.

Really? Care to back that up? Proof? Please do. I'll give you some suggestions:

(1) Obama's falling poll numbers, worse (faster) than Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II
(2) Town Hall meetings overrun by anti-Obama supporters
(3) Republicans winning the generic ballot in many national polls
(4) Two MILLION people at today's 9/12 rally in DC

Please, after you go around here spouting how much the truth and facts mean, please, back up your 99% of the people think Obama is doing better than Bush claim...

And when you get done explaining that, please explain how Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh all spewed lies about Van Jones, and he had to "quit." Then, continue your absolute brilliance on the subject of truth, and explain how Acorn said Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Brietbart.com were all spewing lies about Acorn, but Acorn has had to fire every employee involved.

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Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
As I said before, in a few years, consrvatism will be completely gone in this country

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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Maybe all the red states should form a new country? Then you can do what ever you want to the old one.

That's a good idea! Then, places that have economies like California, New York, Florida and Washington state will not have to help support states that like to fly off the handle at the silliest things and have nothing to contribute such as Alabama, North Dakota, Utah, and Arkansas.
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Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 27):

I agree Hannity is a pompous ass. But he's also a successful media personality (likely as a result of his "assitude"). He asks "tough questions" insofar that he his quite skilled effective at cutting dissenters off and twisting a conversation to suit his point. But Olbermann, Maddow et al do the same thing. That's why they get paid the big bucks (yet in the latter cases have markedly smaller audiences).

Oh, Olbermann and Maddow can join Hannity in the land of inoperable, benign vocal cord polyps.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
The line about the First Amendment is completely bogus; I know of no one in the administration who feels that way.

On the other hand, GWB did say out loud that he wished the country were a dictatorship.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 27):

Oh come on! Spare me this melodramatic hyperbole. It's beneath you and only serves to cheapen the discussion. No one on this forum is five years old, so we should all act accordingly. sarcastic

Nothing melodramatic about it. The lowest of the low is the yippy "little dog" who has nothing to contribute.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 27):
He does actually bring up some ideas of his own,

Give me an example, because I've heard a lot of him and I've never heard him present one valid idea that wasn't sarcastic and meant to jab at his opposition.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 27):
He's actually a pretty decent human being who is respectful of his guests and seems publicly affable.

Funny, I've heard him shout down his guests.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 27):

You look forward to crucifying someone with a substance abuse problem. And you're a claimed physician. Hm.

I have no problem with drug addicts, per se. But Rush was no simple drug addict. Rush stated that anyone with a substance abuse problem should be publicly executed. Then he shows up addicted to pain pills.

(I might add that I'm taking those same pain pills right now [I had major surgery three days ago] and I don't get what he liked about them. The constant dizziness? The difficulty they give you when you need to pee? The upset stomach? The falling asleep in mid...?)

I have a problem with hypocrites. But hypocrites have a very special place at the ass-end of my heart. And Hannity is so damned arrogant that I can't *wait* to find his own hypocrisy. I know it's there. And when we find it, I will "I told you so." Because hypocrites are like mosquitoes. The only good thing about them is when you get to swat them.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 27):
I believe his point that even Kennedy's most vocal critics wished him well with his disease, and expressed sorrow for his loss.

The point is that he compared Kennedy, a dedicated, moral, ethical politician to Hannity, an immoral, unethical windbag without any useful contribution to society.

Hannity isn't even a Conservative. That would imply he had a political belief spectrum. He's simply an anti-Liberal. If there were an asteroid headed towards Earth and Obama had a plan to deflect it, Hannity would criticize it.

Sorry, you can keep him. And I'll even throw in Olbermann and Maddow for free.
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Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
As I said before, in a few years, consrvatism will be completely gone in this country, the people are gonna see and realize justhow crazy a lot of these right wingers are and the fact that every point that Glenn Beck or Limbaugh makes on their shows,

Considering how conservative the US is compared to other industrialized countries its not going anywhere. What may happen is that the GOP in its cuurent form will die off leaving just the democrats who will divide into 2 parties, which hopefully can have a rational debate. Hell it is already a divided party of centre-right moderates aka Blue Dogs (or as a Canadian would call them conservatives) and progressives/liberals.

Or the rational conservatives condemn the irrational ones and take back the GOP and then the US can actually have a healthy debate on important issues.
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:29 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
On the other hand, GWB did say out loud that he wished the country were a dictatorship.

Source?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
Rush stated that anyone with a substance abuse problem should be publicly executed.

Source?

I've never heard of either of these.
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:27 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 33):

Source?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3xfT0c99g
And no, it's not a fake. He actually said that. You don't SAY that when you're the President, even if you're "just joking."

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 33):

Source?

I've never heard of either of these.

http://www.bradleyreport.net/commentary/StonedRush.htm

That website cites it. He said so on October 5, 1995.

Now, I admit that I can't find where he called for public execution, but the fact remains that he called for harsh punishments for anyone caught abusing drugs. And then he got caught abusing drugs.

I'll say it here: I DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VICES, ADDICTIONS, OR MINORITY SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS Lord knows I have plenty of my own. I do, however, judge hypocrites who loudly judge the above groups and then turn out to be part of them.

So yes, I do wish Mr. Limbaugh a non-operable vocal chord polyp and a long, hot stay in Hell. Not because he had a problem with drugs, but because he advocated a "get tough" attitude towards drug abusers EVEN AFTER he was found to be one of them.

Oh, and do you know the best part? His right to privacy was violated when records of his abuse went public. Guess who came to his rescue?

The ACLU. It was so funny, I almost wet my pants.
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:33 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
The line about the First Amendment is completely bogus; I know of no one in the administration who feels that way.

On the other hand, GWB did say out loud that he wished the country were a dictatorship.

http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/09/07/parr-quotes-comments/

GWB quote number one: “If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier; just so long as I’m the dictator.” -George W. Bush – Washington D.C. December 18, 2000
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:15 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 34):
And no, it's not a fake. He actually said that. You don't SAY that when you're the President, even if you're "just joking."

First of all, it was a joke, even in poor taste. Secondly, in no way did he indicate that he that it WERE a dictatorship

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 33):
On the other hand, GWB did say out loud that he wished the country were a dictatorship.

So your paraphrase is a gross exagguration.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 34):
Now, I admit that I can't find where he called for public execution, but the fact remains that he called for harsh punishments for anyone caught abusing drugs. And then he got caught abusing drugs.

As a doctor yourself, I'm sure you have met a number of people who have gotten hooked on painkillers, particularly opiates, after a medical condition. Hell, my great grandmother got into that problem when she was in her 80s. I hope that you can see the difference between that sort of situation and meth-heads and crack-heads.

I'm about as anti-drug as you can get, but I do not look at thetwo in the same light.
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:35 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Oh, do you mean like the ACORN entry in wikipedia?

Your kidding, right? Your actually correlating me asking everyone to be accurate and factual to ACORN in wikipedia?? Sorry dude but you get a big fail for that. Don't ever put words in my mouth. Especially when I think ACORN is a travesty and joke.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Well, Force13, how do you perceive that, then?

Do I think Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy? No
Do I think pets need lawyers? No. But I sure as hell am trying to figure out the relevance that has to this thread.
To I think Capitalism needs to be eliminated? No.

Do I try and figure out why some of you like twist opinions to fit your personal views?

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RE: Glenn Beck/Hannity Goes After More Obama Staff

Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:47 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):

As a doctor yourself, I'm sure you have met a number of people who have gotten hooked on painkillers, particularly opiates, after a medical condition.

Yes, I have.

NONE of those patients called for harsh punishment for drug addicts.

I don't get what is wrong with you people who can't see that it's HYPOCRISY that I have no use for. I don't care about adultery or gay lovers or drug use. I care about people who call for harsh punishments for any of the above and then turn out to be the same.

I keep saying it over and over and over and over, Dreadnought, and people keep fixating on how I'm a doctor and should have compassion.

NO, I DO NOT HAVE COMPASSION FOR HYPOCRITES! I do not now nor will I ever.

When you call for harsh punishments for drug addicts and then turn out to be one, I say you should reap exactly what you sow.

When you preach that Gays are sinners and abominations and then turn up in a gay club or trying to pick up guys in a bathroom, then I think you need to have your life destroyed so that nothing you ever say will be taken seriously again.

When you campaign on strong family values and parade your wife and four school-aged sons around at your Gubernatorial inauguration and then disappear to Argentina to sleep with another woman over Father's Day without even telling anyone that you're going away, then you deserve to get hung out to dry.

It has nothing to do with being a doctor and everything to do with the fact that I am a very ethical man with a strong sense of justice.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):

So your paraphrase is a gross exagguration.

Hardly an exaggeration. That's exactly what the man said. He was "just joking," but when you are notorious for being the President who has tried to systematically eliminate the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments, that's not a good joke to make. A lot of us, including myself, took the comment quite seriously.
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