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Holden Commodore Will Be Sold As Police Car In US

Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:52 am

The Holden Commodore enjoyed a stint as the Pontiac G8 in North America, but with the untimely death of the Pontiac brand this summer, that model came to a sudden end. GM has denied plans to sell a rebadged Commodore as a Chevrolet Caprice or Lumina in the U.S. marketplace, GM might have a new set of customers: America's police departments - the Los Angeles police department and the Canadian Mounties seem to be the biggest potential customers for the Australian built "police interceptor".

In an Australian media interview, GM CEO Fritz Henderson confirmed recent rumors about a Commodore police cruiser for America. He said his company is making good progress toward a deal with several U.S. law enforcement agencies. Such sales agreements could involve sales of tens of thousands of Commodores per year, Henderson said.

"In an Australian media interview, GM CEO Fritz Henderson confirmed recent rumors about a Commodore police cruiser for America. He said his company is making good progress toward a deal with several U.S. law enforcement agencies. Such deals could involve tens of thousands of cars per year, Henderson said.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-ne...cars-for-the-us-20090917-fs3b.html

Seems that GM is trying to muscle into the public safety vehicle market, now that Ford is discontinuing the ancient Ford Crown Victoria.
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:57 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
now that Ford is discontinuing the ancient Ford Crown Victoria.

The article was off. Crown Victoria production is slated to continue until ATLEAST 2011. From what i've read it looks like 2012 will be the last year of the Vic, which is a shame. On another note. In preparation for that, the MA State Police are stockpiling crown victoria's by having them shipped without fluids and put into storage. It will be interesting to see how well the Holden does and what Ford responds with as they were for years, the largest maker of police cars.
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:03 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
GM CEO Fritz Henderson confirmed recent rumors about a Commodore police cruiser for America.

Most importantly, what do their headlights look like?
Just so I can keep an eye out on them in the rear-view mirror.  Wink

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Crown Victoria production is slated to continue until ATLEAST 2011.



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
the MA State Police are stockpiling crown victoria's by having them shipped without fluids and put into storage.

That's good to know.
Here in California, we had 1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic cruisers still running up until about 3 or 4 years ago.
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http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/04/NSA-Chevrolet_Commodore_LAPD_2.jpg

Well I hope for the cops' sake that they do make the switch. The Crown Vic, while doing its job fine, is just way too dated. And I'm sure the commodore handles way better than those oil tankers driven by almost all the police departments everywhere. Much more easy on the eyes as well. I wonder if they'll be getting the HSV version.
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:01 am

Coincidentally, I drove the Holden Commodore on my last trip down under. Amazing car. Here's a shot of it...

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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Much more easy on the eyes as well. I wonder if they'll be getting the HSV version.

It's just another set of headlights to train your eyes for. XD
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:09 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

I do wonder if you realize that police officers actually LIKE the Crown Vic.
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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Well I hope for the cops' sake that they do make the switch.

I sure do too...while there's nothing too "wrong" with the Crown Vic, the G8/Commodore is a gorgeous looking car. I'd love to see a police version in the US soon!
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:15 am

Indeed a great looking car, but I'll be sad to see the current one go  Sad It's the one I've "grown up" with.
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:32 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

Doubt they'll have the HSV version. Production of those is usually limited in order to keep the resale values high for existing owners.

Who knows, maybe they can have one or two one-off 500hp 175mph (limited) W427's as show cars for the Police.   Think of a Corvette Z06 engine in a Commodore, with wide tyres, big brakes and MRC suspension.

I really wonder if this is a wise move. The G8 was killed off, so I think that should be the end of the story for Commodore in the USA. Anything else is messing with the customers minds and confusing the market.

[Edited 2009-09-17 19:34:15]
 
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
I do wonder if you realize that police officers actually LIKE the Crown Vic.

I wouldn't have said this if I thought otherwise...

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
The Crown Vic, while doing its job fine...

That being said, there is always room for improvement.
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:49 am



Quoting Cpd (Reply 9):
I really wonder if this is a wise move. The G8 was killed off, so I think that should be the end of the story for Commodore in the USA. Anything else is messing with the customers minds and confusing the market.

There is both a 300 horsepower V-6 and a 400+ horsepower V-8 versions available (with state of the art 5-speed automatic and 6-speed transmissions that gets 25mpg highway/17 city per the EPA) in the Commodore - at least both of these motors meet US federal and California emissions standards. Thus, public safety organizations have a choice in motors to fit their internal needs. Something the Crown Victoria doesn't offer - a modern chassis with a fuel efficient V6.....
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:59 am

There are no more 5 speed auto versions anymore. That transmission, and the old, slow, thirsty and unrefined HFV6 engine have been retired.

Only 6 speed automatic, either V6 or V8, coming in 3.0L, 3.6L (SIDI V6) and 6.0L (AFM V8) versions.

The 3.0L V6 gets up to 35mpg in some situations (steady 70km/h running). Yes, it is a fine car and is very economical compared to anything except very small cars, and it is very smooth running.

However, what it can't answer is the fact that it will take jobs away from the USA, and that's not politically expedient.

[Edited 2009-09-17 20:02:08]
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:11 am

If they only sold the Holden Commodore to the public. I really liked the looks of the cars in Australia. For some reason they've escaped the fugly trends that are ever present here in the U.S.

Even the Toyota Camry looked better as well as another Toyota (Auria or such) model.

I know the Holden was the Pontiac G8, but typical GM they changed a few design elements (the better parts).

Oh well, guess I'll have to become a cop or get one at auction...
 
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 12):
However, what it can't answer is the fact that it will take jobs away from the USA, and that's not politically expedient.

Quite a number of the parts in the US version of the Pontiac G8 (nee Commodore) came from the US - the V8 engine is basically a detuned Corvette motor and the V6 is version of the motor built for the CTS and the Lacrosse, among other US built vehicles. Sales and service will need to be done here in the US.

Keep in mind that the Commodore platform is a global one, consisting of GM parts coming from around the globe. In fact, these police version of the Commodore will help to keep the Elizabeth (Australia) assembly plant in business, so it is helping to save someone's jobs.
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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Well I hope for the cops' sake that they do make the switch. The Crown Vic, while doing its job fine, is just way too dated.

Umm I have driven a Charger, Impalas, and CV's....I always chose the CV....The other while they look better Suck the big weenie....

Don't care what anyone says ....A smaller vehicle is not an improvement....Go ahead and get into a vehicle with a Duty belt and you will understand. Or spend 10.5 hours in a car and tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

My car is not there to please the public because they think it is dated or less cool.....It is a work tool....
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:59 am

Never understood why some people want to see cops in "cooler" looking vehicles.  confused 
I much rather them stay in the current Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.
The headlights have been the same since 1998 and I'd like to know if a cop is on my tail at night.

I also have issue with the idea of a car only available to the police and not an option for private citizens. The Grand Marquis is pretty much the civilian version of the Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor. We the people should be allowed to buy a civilian version of this car.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Never understood why some people want to see cops in "cooler" looking vehicles.
I much rather them stay in the current Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.

Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
smaller vehicle is not an improvement....Go ahead and get into a vehicle with a Duty belt and you will understand. Or spend 10.5 hours in a car and tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

It might be smaller on the outside, but it is huge inside, and the long-wheelbase version is even bigger still. You can spend hours and hours in that car easily.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
We the people should be allowed to buy a civilian version of this car.

Oh the fun of it.   Apparently it isn't viable, there is no business case to sell it to the public. And in so many respects, it isn't a proper American car - they all say it is bland and boring, and they wouldn't buy it.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 14):
keep the Elizabeth (Australia) assembly plant in business,

It is just surviving at the moment as it is, despite GM NA's best efforts to kill it off through the Pontiac G8 debacle. At the moment, they are not focusing on exports, they will try to remain viable without exporting to the USA - according to the last statements I heard.

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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
Coincidentally, I drove the Holden Commodore on my last trip down under. Amazing car. Here's a shot of it...

I personally hate Holdens. They're such rubbish cars - if one thing malfunctions, it requires a lengthy waiting period in New Zealand - 2 weeks to get parts in. The one we have recently screwed up its windscreen wipers making them go non-stop whenever the car was on. It got to the point where we had to pull the fuse out to make it stop. It had an aerial problem (the electric motor which powers the radio aerial died) which cost heaps to replace - something like $500.. The oil pump was working fine but the computer said it was malfunctioning.. And none of the car servicepeople in Auckland knew what was wrong.. It might look good but I'd rather advise against long term use of the vehicle.. Toyota is much more reliable. It's good for you Americans - they won't be able to catch the fastest crims and they'll break down eventually  Wink
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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

Looks sweet! If only our cop cars were made to look like that...here the Commodores look bland and stupid in all white. Victoria police are much better with their colour scheme though.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 12):
The 3.0L V6 gets up to 35mpg in some situations (steady 70km/h running). Yes, it is a fine car and is very economical compared to anything except very small cars, and it is very smooth running.

It is a beautiful car to drive. We had the older one (VZ) and it was a nice car. I recently drove the new one, it is even better looking and smoother than the VZ. But the fuel consumption is a bit worrying..our VZ never got up to even 30 mpg, even on long drives. Hopefully the new one is better.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
....A smaller vehicle is not an improvement....Go ahead and get into a vehicle with a Duty belt and you will understand. Or spend 10.5 hours in a car and tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

As Cpd said, this car is really comfortable and feels good to drive. It is definitely an improvement over the old Crown Vic.
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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
A smaller vehicle is not an improvement

These cars are hardly small. They are widely used as police cars in Australia, and while smaller on the outside than a Crown Victoria, it is far from "small". Think of something bigger than a Camry, bigger than an E-class Benz but smaller than S-class ... that's about a Commodore size.

As for what Ford are going to do to respond ... well, Ford Australia already produces an excellent Commodore rival for the Australian market, and is also widely used as police cars here. Shame it won't be built in left hand drive!
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 18):
Apparently it isn't viable, there is no business case to sell it to the public. And in so many respects, it isn't a proper American car - they all say it is bland and boring, and they wouldn't buy it.

Why is this business plan any different from past police cars that were cop versions of civilian models?
Are you implying that the Crown Victoria and Caprice Classics were exciting and sexy designs?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

Cop Brakes
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A model before catalytic converters so it runs good on regular gas.

Trust me, I'd be happy knowing our cops drive in 1974 Dodge squad cars.  yes 
I'd like to be able to out-run a cop in my Lincoln when necessary.  Wink
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:46 am

Nobody has mentioned the Carbon E7 - supposedly the new cop on the block.
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

Cop Brakes
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A model before catalytic converters so it runs good on regular gas.

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Oh, well I can see that.


The car looks pretty awesome, but I think it should be up to the men and women that drive them to decide.


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This is for you, HMO:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/NYPD_Traffic_Enforcement_RMP_In_White.jpeg

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Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:33 am

Yes, the NYPD has a few Toyota Piruses (Pirusi?)' in their fleet. I work in NYC and have seen them. Many of the cabs in NYC now are hybrids, including Pirus, Nissan Altmamas, Camry's, Ford Escape and Chevy Malibu's.

The rough pavements of too many areas of the USA, the need for sufficient space for prisoners, simple mechanical systems, the weight added on by the necessary equipment for a typical cop car (400-500 lbs) and yet a need to be able to move at over 100 mph, has required 'traditional' RWD cars for police use. FWD cars just can't cut it. SUV's have been tried and are now an important part of police fleets, especially if where they get snow, have dirt or rough roads and needs for transport of equipment, but they are not very good for high speed operations (over 100 mph), or on other than straight roads and have bad fuel mileage. I don't see GM being very successful with the use of the Holden Commodore here as parts would be much more difficult to get and expensive vs. the CV and Dodge Charger.
 
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 26):
The rough pavements of too many areas of the USA, the need for sufficient space for prisoners, simple mechanical systems, the weight added on by the necessary equipment for a typical cop car (400-500 lbs) and yet a need to be able to move at over 100 mph, has required 'traditional' RWD cars for police use. FWD cars just can't cut it.

I know, but it gets under HMO's skin and it's really fun to watch, so just play along, OK?

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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
I wouldn't have said this if I thought otherwise...

That actually doesn't help your post...
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
On another note. In preparation for that, the MA State Police are stockpiling crown victoria's by having them shipped without fluids and put into storage. It will be interesting to see how well the Holden does and what Ford responds with as they were for years, the largest maker of police cars.

Wow I didn't know that. Any idea where they are keeping them? It would be like checking out airplane boneyard, albeit with pissed off cops wondering what the heck I am doing.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
This is for you, HMO:

LOL I would love to see a cop chase some car with that. Don't get me wrong they're good cars for what they do, but performance isn't something Toyota had in mind. The awful Goodyear Integrity tires they put on those cars are an indication of that.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
We the people should be allowed to buy a civilian version of this car.

Guess because it is so far away I will have to reserve judgment until I see one....

You can....At auction when we are done with them.......and then you can start making money with it as a Taxi...
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 29):
Wow I didn't know that. Any idea where they are keeping them? It would be like checking out airplane boneyard, albeit with pissed off cops wondering what the heck I am doing.

I have no idea. An officer friend told me about the order and the plans to stockpile them, I would like to guess somewhere in Boston, or perhaps some sent out to each barracks.
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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

I never said it was better just because it looks cool. Since you apparently missed it:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
I'm sure the commodore handles way better than those oil tankers driven by almost all the police departments everywhere.

IN ADDITION to being easier on the eyes.

I've driven a Pontiac G8, the Holden's twin, and, while definitely not nearly as good handling as any European equivalent, I found it to have surprisingly good handling for an American muscle car, if you can call it that

I've obviously never driven a police-spec CV, but I have had several trips on a Grand Marquis and it was like sitting on jello, yes good for comfort but terrible for handling. Obviously the CV has a better suspension and engine, but I'd presumed it's more like pudding instead.

But it gets the job done I suppose...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
This is for you, HMO:

I see your crap police car, and I raise you some steaming piles of diarrhea:





http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/530240/7737216/0/1244110253/Cute_style_electric_car_electric_golf_cart_for_police.jpg

The Germans seem to be doing it right though:



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Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 32):

The Germans seem to be doing it right though:

Dude, they're Germans. They ALWAYS do it right.  duck 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
Dude, they're Germans. They ALWAYS do it right.

I'd post a demotivational poster in regards to that, but I believe its not in my best interest  Wink
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:05 pm

Maybe Holden can bring back the Kingswood for both public and police sales.

These days it can be lighter and more fuel efficient on the public side. Then add on the station wagon and tell customers it's a SUV Crossover with a lower center of gravity.

For the police, beef up everything that makes it go, handle and stop.

And before you know it the Kingswood will be a symbol of everyman's car, just like the Impala used to be.
 
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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 30):
You can....At auction when we are done with them.......and then you can start making money with it as a Taxi...

By then they're all beat up.
There should be a civilian variant with leather seats and other comforts that you wouldn't find in a police car.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
There should be a civilian variant with leather seats and other comforts that you wouldn't find in a police car.

"Technically" You can get a new P71. You have to convince the Ford dealer to order you one, but they can do it.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
There should be a civilian variant with leather seats and other comforts that you wouldn't find in a police car.

In all honesty, GM USA is just trying to uphold their agreement with Holden and the Australian government that swore GM USA would take a certain number of Commodores for sale in North America as the Pontiac G8. Then GM went bust, killing off my beloved Pontiac (and Saturn) brands in the process, thus making the G8 an orphan.

Rather than do the "right thing" and sell the Commodore to US consumers as a Chevrolet Caprice or a Laguna, or even a Lumina (as the Commodore is sold in Middle East markets), the GM USA marketing brainiacs decided it was best to simply sell the Commodore as a police fleet vehicle to meet their obligation to Holden (which is a GM subsidiary).

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Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:33 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Crown Victoria production is slated to continue until ATLEAST 2011. From what i've read it looks like 2012 will be the last year of the Vic, which is a shame.

Crown Vic through 2012? That's about 2 model years later than previously slated. Many automotive magazines have either stated that 2010 would be the final year for the Panther platform (Crown Vic/PI/Grand Marquis/Town Car) or have already written the it off productionwise despite the fact that 2 of the lines (Grand Marquis and Town Car) are still available in the retail market. Check L-M's website for proof.

Then again, for nearly 2 decades, many were predicting the Panther platform's eminent demise which has yet to happen.

IMHO, if the Grand Marquis goes; the Mercury nameplate will die with it.

I'm assuming that if the Crown Vic/PI (though fleet-only) production continues through 2012; the respective Grand Marquis and Town Car production would continue as well (they all roll out of the same plant). Is that correct?

WARNING! The below is a political commentary!

Maybe this supposed-production extension is in preparation of a possible (though not yet certain) change in the Congressional make-up after the 2010 mid-term elections. The theory being that if enough liberals get voted out and enough pro-taxper candidates get in; some of the more-draconian CAFE increases may be somewhat blunted. Should that happen, then Ford will finally invest more money in either upgrading the Panther platform or replacing with something that's more worthy. Sorry, IMHO, the new 2010 Taurus doesn't cut it; at least not for patrol vehicles.

Don't think it can happen? Let me remind ALL of you that within a year following the 1994 mid-term elections; the newly-elected Congress finally REPEALED the 21-year-old, much hated national speed limit.
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Back to the subject at hand:

The main issue with cars like the G8, Charger and Impala is in the shoulder and hip room department. The Ford PI (and its other siblings) presently have UNMATCHED shoulder and hip room among cars. The long-since-discontinued B-body Caprice had up to 63 inches of shoulder room; the Crown Vic PI has about 60 inches.

Unless this particular Holden police car has a WIDER cabin width than the outgoing G8; it's going to have the same shortcomings in the shoulder and hip room departments.

Since many police cars in the States have supplemental equipment (radios, computers and so forth) in the front seat area those extra inches in cabin width DO come into play; especially with a 2-officer patrol unit, which can be a common site in many major cities.

Another item of concern is TRUNK SPACE. The Ford PI has a 20 cubic foot trunk; which is larger than the that of G8, Impala and Charger. If the upcoming Holden is essentially a restyled G8; a similar issue will still exist.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
It will be interesting to see how well the Holden does and what Ford responds with as they were for years, the largest maker of police cars.

Indeed, it would be.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 9):
I really wonder if this is a wise move. The G8 was killed off, so I think that should be the end of the story for Commodore in the USA. Anything else is messing with the customers minds and confusing the market.

Not to mention the fact that producing an exclusive platform for patrol vehicles from a cost standpoint may not be economically viable. It's cheaper to simply utilize an existing retail platform and upgrade it police vehicle specs than to make a completely different model. If it weren't so, there would've already been other exclusive police patrol vehicles being produced.

Also, another thing to keep in mind that unlike retail vehicles (the expired Cash for Clunkers program aside), police vehicles are purchased with TAXPAYER MONEY! If a new model is significantly more expensive than the outgoing model; some departments may have to buy less vehicles. Judging from the linked-article, it sounds like the Holden will be priced significantly HIGHER than the current competitors; that can be a real deal-breaker for many police agencies.

FYI, for decades, Volvo has off-and-on offered a police packaged sedan in the US market and did not get too many takers if any; mainly due to its much higher price tag.

In short: money talks; BS walks.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

Cop Brakes
Cop Shokes
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Trust me, I'd be happy knowing our cops drive in 1974 Dodge squad cars

Where are you going to find regular (leaded) gas nowadays? 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I'd like to be able to out-run a cop in my Lincoln when necessary.

Actually, a '74 Dodge w/a stock 440 Magnum under the hood could probably outrun a '77 Lincoln w/a stock 460; mainly because a '77 Lincoln is heavier and is doped up w/more pollution controls than a '74 Dodge. A '69 or even a '70 Lincoln OTOH is a different story.

Prior to the current Dodge Charger; the fastest police-packaged SEDAN before it in the US was the 1969 Plymouth Fury and Dodge Polora which ran a top speed of 147-148 mph in slick-top form. The Caprice of the mid-90s came close but fell short by about 6 to 7 mph.

Not sure of the newer Ford models but in the 1996 Michigan State Police test, a Crown Vic Police Package obtained a top speed of 135 mph which was the best of any Ford police-packaged sedan to date at the time.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
I drove the Holden Commodore on my last trip down under.

To me, it looks like a modified version of a late-90s Chevy Lumina.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 26):
SUV's have been tried and are now an important part of police fleets, especially if where they get snow, have dirt or rough roads and needs for transport of equipment, but they are not very good for high speed operations (over 100 mph), or on other than straight roads and have bad fuel mileage.

I know that the Chevy Tahoe has offered a bonifide police package since 1998 whereas the Ford Explorer and Expedition packages offered to law enforcement agencies were only offered as a Special Service packages (meaning they were NOT pursuit-rated). Has Ford since upgraded their SUV service packages to full-blown police packages? My guess would be no.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 35):
Maybe Holden can bring back the Kingswood for both public and police sales.

These days it can be lighter and more fuel efficient on the public side. Then add on the station wagon and tell customers it's a SUV Crossover with a lower center of gravity.

For the police, beef up everything that makes it go, handle and stop.

And before you know it the Kingswood will be a symbol of everyman's car, just like the Impala used to be.

Suddenly it's 1972!   
The last year Chevy used the Kingswood designation for its full-size station wagons in the North American market for those that don't know.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 37):
"Technically" You can get a new P71. You have to convince the Ford dealer to order you one, but they can do it.

I thought as such. Although the Grand Marquis IS still available as a retail alternative.

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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 39):
The last year Chevy used the Kingswood designation for its full-size station wagons in the North American market for those that don't know.

And the Holden Kingswood lasted longer - until the original Commodore was released.

I actually owned a Kingswood station wagon - paid $800 for it and used it as a commuter to the bus station as well as carrying various loads.

A real classic - sort of like some of the Chevy's of the 50s.
 
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 39):
I thought as such. Although the Grand Marquis IS still available as a retail alternative.

Doing a little poking around the ford fleet website. (fleet.ford.com) I found a couple things. First, for fleet sales, you can get the crown vic as a P71, taxi package and the LX civilian version. Secondly, I found a letter from the ford fleet director stating that the platform will be around until at least 2011, confirming what I read earlier:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/specialty_vehicles/TownCarExt2011.pdf
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Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:38 am

Here's a picture of a New Zealand Police Commodore. Its a 2007 model I think.
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Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:43 pm

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 38):
In all honesty, GM USA is just trying to uphold their agreement with Holden and the Australian government that swore GM USA would take a certain number of Commodores for sale in North America as the Pontiac G8. Then GM went bust, killing off my beloved Pontiac (and Saturn) brands in the process, thus making the G8 an orphan.

Rather than do the "right thing" and sell the Commodore to US consumers as a Chevrolet Caprice or a Laguna, or even a Lumina (as the Commodore is sold in Middle East markets), the GM USA marketing brainiacs decided it was best to simply sell the Commodore as a police fleet vehicle to meet their obligation to Holden (which is a GM subsidiary).

The problem with selling it as a 'new' Caprice to the retail market (which I am in agreement w/you on even though I'm personally not that big of fan of the G8) is that it would be in DIRECT conflict with the government's mission of producing more fuel efficient cars; remember GM now stands for GOVERNMENT Motors. 

While the fuel economy of the Holden/G8 V8 engine(s) is(are) certainly no worse than other vehicles in its class and/or with similar-sized engines; it's STILL viewed as a gas guzzler in the eyes of CAFE and the greenie legislators out there.

Had the Holden-based Caprice turned out to be a sales hit (provided that gas prices don't skyrocket again); Chevy would have to sell an awful lot of Aveoes to offset any fuel econmy penalties incurred by selling any Caprices. Even if GM makes good on selling the Commodore as a police-only vehicle; because it's a mass-produced vehicle, it WILL be subject to EPA and CAFE laws and future gas guzzler taxes (if any).

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 41):
Secondly, I found a letter from the ford fleet director stating that the platform will be around until at least 2011, confirming what I read earlier:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/specialty_vehicles/TownCarExt2011.pdf

Justin, thanks for the info.; although it does (no offense) contradict your earlier post regarding 2012 being the last year of Panther platform being produced plus the PDF only discusses the Town Car but says nothing of the Crown Vic/PI nor the Grand Marquis. Although, as in the past, that could STILL be subject to change; it's happened several times durng the last 2-1/2 decades.

The only area that I'm in agreement w/critics of the Panther platform is that is does need some type of change to keep it fresh. Heck, even the E-series van (which is STILL available in the retail market in both cargo and passenger versions) gets some upgrades/facelifts every now and then.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 38):
I still desperately want to own a Pontiac G8 GTP!

My suggestion would be if you really want one bad enough; start searching for any left-overs out there realizing that, depending on how picky one is regarding certain options and/or color combinations, you may not find one that's 100% equipped the way you want it.

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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 43):
it does (no offense) contradict your earlier post regarding 2012 being the last year of Panther platform being produced

Well the pdf does say until at least 2011, so that does mean there is still hope for 2012  Wink

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 43):
plus the PDF only discusses the Town Car but says nothing of the Crown Vic/PI nor the Grand Marquis

Agreed. But I would like to think that if ford is keeping it open for the livery market they would also keep it open for the police market. I would think crown victoria's are ford bread and butter when it comes to fleet sales.
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Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:15 am

Looks like it's a done deal now, except it looks like stripped-down versions of the long wheelbase Statesman will be used, with the Commodore also available if requested.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2/4DB981DD3B661FE0CA25764600253D2B

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/440...-police-patrol-vehicle-confirmed/#
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):

Just so I can keep an eye out on them in the rear-view mirror.

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Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:57 am



Quoting Melpax (Reply 45):
Looks like it's a done deal now, except it looks like stripped-down versions of the long wheelbase Statesman will be used, with the Commodore also available if requested.

It looks a bit funny on such narrow tyres, compared with what we get here.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:37 pm



Quoting Melpax (Reply 45):
Looks like it's a done deal now, except it looks like stripped-down versions of the long wheelbase Statesman will be used, with the Commodore also available if requested.

With a 78.7-inch width (1999 mm from Holden's website), the Statesman platform would be a more logical police car candidate for the U.S. market; especially in departments (usually, city) where 2-man patrol units are used/required.

However, and I stated this earlier; if it's priced too high, IT WILL NOT SELL... just ask Volvo. The fleet market's behaves a tad different than the retail market.
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Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:32 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 48):
Statesman platform would be a more logical police car candidate for the U.S. market

The suspects thrown in the back are in for a spacious ride - the Statesman/Caprice has masses of room in the back. And for the people in the front, heaps of room also. They are roomy like a long-wheelbase S-Class/7 Series (similar size too).

A bit of advertising talking about the SIDI engine that the new Police car could have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4opypG3THQg

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