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Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:52 am

Interesting editorial about the fallacies behind Mr. Kent's (Coca Cola's CEO) argument that if we tax Coke (and other sugary drinks), we might as well be living in the Soviet Union. Discuss!

An Anti-Tax Argument That's Hard to Swallow

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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:34 am

When I was young and smoked I paid a sin tax on every pack.

When I was young I paid a sin tax on every bottle or can.

Those taxes have been giong up and have bee helping pay for some of the problems that were caused by smoking and drinking.

While it may seem a horrible to add diabetes inducing food & drink to the sin tax I actually support now - especially after watching the kids (some very young kids) walking around the local mall.

The new "average" size kid or teenager looks like they should be given a Hemoglobin A1c blood test to determine how bad their situation really is.

And I believe that there should be an additional tax on oversized servings.
And maybe a gluttony tax on "all you can eat" programs.
 
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:41 am

In almost all states they already assess sales taxes of 4 to 9% on carbonated beverages. What is being considered here is to have a federal 'sin tax' like that on alcoholic beverages, a 'slippery slope' many people fear, that it 'fat taxes' would be extended to meat, salt, sugar, snack foods, fast food and so on.
 
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:47 pm

Seems like most of the defenses against are just generic "no tax" I would propose a tax on all people who call it "pop".

Anyway, I'm still wondering why so many Americans demand such ridiculous portion sizes. Seriously, 2 liters at meal? That's bit ridiculous, isn't it? To top it off many even wear their badge of gluttony with pride.

[Edited 2009-09-23 05:55:06]
 
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:42 pm

Everyone loves the idea of taxes as a social engineering tool, until it is your particular favorite vice that is taxed. We already have dangerous precedents in this area. Be careful when you encourage it.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Those taxes have been giong up and have bee helping pay for some of the problems that were caused by smoking and drinking.

I don't know where you live, but where I live they go into the general fund. Those taxes are just another vein of revenue to tap.
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:46 pm

I say tax the hell out of it.  yes 

Quoting Texan (Thread starter):

Of course Kent is going to lobby everyone to drink his coke and keep the tax low.
 
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:06 pm

Social engineering through taxation. Gotta love it!

What's next? Big Macs? How about extreme sports? Skiing? How about Thanksgiving dinner? It sends thousands to the hospital every year. An excess calorie tax?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
While it may seem a horrible to add diabetes inducing food & drink to the sin tax I actually support now - especially after watching the kids (some very young kids) walking around the local mall.

A tax won't take care of that...proper parenting and personal responsibility. How about limiting the X-Box to 'x' amount per week. Get your ass outside and play with your friends...outside. But, no, it's too easy to just let the kid vegetate in front of the TV/computer/console.

Why is it that everyone is ready to allow the government to tell us what we can eat and do? It is a step away from them telling us what we can say and think.

Oh, and I do love this:

From the article: "Proposals to tax sugary drinks as a way to fight obesity and finance health care reform".

Doesn't anyone see the contradication here? The tax is designed to discourage usage (social engineering), and the government will rely on the tax to fund programs to discourage the use. What happens if, by some miracle, usage does go down and the tax tit dries up? Will the program "To Prevent Childhood Obesity" (or whatever such nonsense it will be called) be terminated? Nope, it will continue to get funded and get bloated (and obese), but now the money will come from the general funds (of course, that's where it was coming from anyway).

These taxes aren't designed to stop anything...they are designed to produce revenue. The more people that consume the product or participate in the activity, the larger the revenue.
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:02 pm

Um, wasn't the Sugar Tax Act of 1764 one of the motivating factors for the American Revolution?

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/related/sugaract.htm
 
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:09 pm



Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
Seems like most of the defenses against are just generic "no tax" I would propose a tax on all people who call it "pop".

Definitely a good move.  Smile

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
Anyway, I'm still wondering why so many Americans demand such ridiculous portion sizes. Seriously, 2 liters at meal? That's bit ridiculous, isn't it?

It is extremely ridiculous. Just get a 1/2 liter soda and make up the other 1 1/2 liters with water - much better for you. But despite the fact that such consumption is foolish, I still don't agree with a tax on it, because:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 4):
Everyone loves the idea of taxes as a social engineering tool, until it is your particular favorite vice that is taxed. We already have dangerous precedents in this area. Be careful when you encourage it.

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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:46 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 6):
A tax won't take care of that...proper parenting and personal responsibility. How about limiting the X-Box to 'x' amount per week. Get your ass outside and play with your friends...outside. But, no, it's too easy to just let the kid vegetate in front of the TV/computer/console.

Yes, physical activity would help. However, that in no way implies that driving up the price of unhealthy foods would not also help. You'll need to address that issue separately.

And for those of you complaining about this being social engineering through taxation - we've been doing that for years! Tax-deductible donations, EITCs, exemptions for dependents, loopholes for corporations - all ways that the tax code encourages various social policies.
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:55 pm



Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 7):
Um, wasn't the Sugar Tax Act of 1764 one of the motivating factors for the American Revolution?

Well, since we already have the Tea Party folks out (ironic as we're more a country of coffee drinkers) we might as well have the Tubby Party.

I can see it now - all folks at least 50 pounds overweight marching on Washington in their stretch clothes from Wal-Mart or K Mart. Sign in one hand and a Big Gulp or Big Shake in the other. Toss some fries in their belly bag and they are ready for a revolution.

Let's make the tax large enough for us to test all school kids for glucose and cholesterol once a year. Might actually cut health care costs over time.
 
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:58 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 6):
An excess calorie tax?



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 6):
How about Thanksgiving dinner?

If these taxes existed, I'd pay it. I have no problems paying taxes on "sin" items (booze, smokes, etc) because if I want a beer then dammit I'm gonna get a beer.
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:33 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 9):
And for those of you complaining about this being social engineering through taxation - we've been doing that for years!

The fact that it has been going on for years, decades, hell, centuries, still doesn't make it right. I'm against using tax policy to discourage or encourage activity. Tax policy should be used to raise revenue so that government can pay for the enumerated functions of government.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 9):
However, that in no way implies that driving up the price of unhealthy foods would not also help.

You're correct, driving up the price of 'unhealthy' foods may reduce their consumption, but at what cost? When do we say "no more" to taxation of this sort?

Quoting Force13 (Reply 11):
I have no problems paying taxes on "sin" items (booze, smokes, etc)

How about a 'sin' tax on your car, if mass transit is readily available? How about one on greens' fees, since everyone knows golf courses are a drain on reources? One on film, since digital photography is much less wasteful than print. Books: wasteful, you know we have this thing called the internet and you can read just about anything published. Plastic bags? Paper bags?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
Let's make the tax large enough for us to test all school kids for glucose and cholesterol once a year. Might actually cut health care costs over time.

Actually, it wouldn't cut health costs. It would make for a healther group of people (assuming they're not to dense too follow instructions), but mass testing would probably cost more over time, because it costs money to test and interpet.
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:38 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 12):
How about a 'sin' tax on your car, if mass transit is readily available? How about one on greens' fees, since everyone knows golf courses are a drain on reources? One on film, since digital photography is much less wasteful than print. Books: wasteful, you know we have this thing called the internet and you can read just about anything published. Plastic bags? Paper bags?

I live in New York. Our state motto is "If it moves, tax it. If it breathes, regulate it!"  crazy 

Trust me, I live in the county with the SECOND HIGHEST property tax in the NATION. Does it suck? Oh yeah. The saving grace is living in the rust belt with a lower standard of living.
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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:23 pm



Quoting Force13 (Reply 13):
Trust me, I live in the county with the SECOND HIGHEST property tax in the NATION.

Would that be Nassua or Suffolk County. I moved away 20 years ago and never looked back. When I left, I took a pay cut in salary, but got a raise in real dollars because my state and local taxes went down.

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RE: Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?

Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:44 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 14):
Would that be Nassua or Suffolk County

Whoops! I mis-spoke. Link to article here:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...-taxpayers-among-the-highest-taxed
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