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F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:48 pm

Lewis Hamilton won the Singapore Grand Prix.
Now let's see who will win at Suzuka!

Will Jenson Button stand more chances to win the World title?

Japanese Grand Prix

Suzuka, 2-4 October 2009

Friday 2
First practice: 1000-1130 (0200-0330 BST)
Second practice: 1400-1530 (0600-0730 BST)

Saturday 3
Third practice: 1100-1200 (0300-0400 BST)
Qualifying: 1400 (0600 BST)

Sunday 4
Race: 1400 (0600 BST)
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:46 pm

Suzuka is a different track, so lets see if Button will be able to grab a win again.
That said, he seems to have more issues with the tyres then Barrichello, and Baariichello can smell the title as well. So it will be down to the last race again I would say.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:09 pm

Well Rubens will be "on his own ground" in Brazil. Maybe this will give him an extra boost and the needed points toward the world title? Me would love to see another 3 Hammy wins!!  Big grin
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:02 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Maybe this will give him an extra boost and the needed points toward the world title?

Well,
Barrichello is able to keep his tyres under control when Button is understeering like mad. Pretty strange actually as they are driving the same car. Likely that Barrichello is setting it up his car in a way that gives him that little upperhand in regards to the tyres.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:22 am

Max's anointed gnome... er.. heir apparent has upset the South Africans.

Jean Todt asked The Telegraph "Do you think people in South Africa care what is happening in F1?"

The MD of Motorsport South Africa naturally took umbrage at this.. "Todt's comment is not only an insult to South Africa, but to all African countries. South Africa is extremely proud of the fact that a past F1 World Champion (Jody Scheckter) is a South African -- and that many very successful F1 Grands Prix were held in our country, which presently broadcasts every grand prix throughout Africa.

"In fact, South Africa had a F1 world champion fully six years before Todt's homeland, and while South Africa does not presently have a race on the F1 calendar, France does not, either. Accordingly it is very pleasing to note that Jody's name does not appear on the list of F1 drivers who support Todt."

One could ask the little Frenchman what the people of Abu Dhabi, Dubai or for that matter Malaysia, China and even Singapore care about F1... very little I would venture.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:42 am

So according to the Spanish media (relayed by the French ones), Alonso signed a 6-year deal with Ferrari, for €25 million.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/breve...15742_alonso-va-ouvrir-le-bal.html (in French)

He said that he took his decision since a quite a long time (without mentionning to where he would go).

The latest rumours are:

Alonso to Ferrari
Kubica to Renault
Rosberg to Brawn GP (alongside Button)
Kimi back to McLaren
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:07 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
The latest rumours are:

You can also add that Barrichello and Kova will swap seats for next season. Just heard this on CNN.
Makes no sense at all! Kova is not able to perform in the Mclaren, so why should he be able to do it in the BGP.
He will just be left behind by Button as Hamilton is leaving him behind now.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:09 am

Put this in the Singapore GP report but didnt realise we had a Japan one now.....


You have to laugh at Nelson Piquet Sr's attack on Renault and Alonso with his claim that Alonso pulled the strings at the team. No different to what other great drivers have done, by getting a team to revolve around them notably Schumacher at Ferrari and Senna post Prost at McLaren. and most notably at all by a certain Mr Piquet during his time at Brabham and including 2 of his 3 world championship years.....

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/152877/...ore_pulled_strings_at_renault.html
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:25 am

Hopefully the Force Indias will be back on the pace at Suzuka, it should suit them more than Singapore.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:23 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 7):
You have to laugh at Nelson Piquet Sr's attack on Renault

He should stop attacking Renault. In 1983, he won the WDC with non-authorized petrol. And if Renault had protested (which they did not do because they did not want to win by the decision of marshalls), Renault and Prost would have been World Champions.

So please Nelson, don't forget that you owe one of your World Title thanks to the fair-play of Renault.

[Edited 2009-09-29 04:25:06]
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:46 pm

Looks as if Williams are looking at Barrichello for 2010.
So the 2010 grid is looking like

McLaren:
Hamilton
Raikkonen

Brawn:
Button
Rosberg

Ferrari:
Massa
Alonso

Williams:
Barrichello
Hulkenburg

Renault:
Kubica
Grojean
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:24 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
McLaren:
Hamilton
Raikkonen

if the car will be good, they are looking forward to a very competetive season. LH and Kimi is a scary competition for the rest. Despite a few negatives, I'll miss Kimi in Ferrari.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Brawn:
Button
Rosberg

Not bad, but I like Barrichello better

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Ferrari:
Massa
Alonso

Well, I've said it a million times, I would have preferred Ferrari to get someone else, but since it's Alonso at the end, I hope there are no wierd things going on and that he focuses on what he does best; racing. That said, I hope the team gives equal treatment to both drivers, and that Massa will win the WDC. As in Mclaren, if the car is good, Ferrari will be very tough to beat with these drivers.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Williams:
Barrichello
Hulkenburg

Rubens, stay at Brawn!

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Renault:
Kubica
Grojean

Will they even be in the grid next season?
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:27 pm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79061
And Here it is...Alonso confirmed by Ferrari to replace Kimi.
3 year deal.

Now lets see everything roll through...I'll be honest I like Heikki a lot, but he just doesn't drive as brilliantly as I wished he did. I would have loved to see Nico Rosberg in the McLaren, that would have been fantastic...I hope that Lewis and Kimi dominate next year. It would be really fun to see a 3 way battle between the Ferraris, McLaren and Brawn.

P.S. A Really cool article on BBC on why the Alonso move could bring about another Schumi/Hakinnen-esqe era.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben...lonso_to_ferrari_could_herald.html

[Edited 2009-09-30 08:31:25]
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:29 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
It would be really fun to see a 3 way battle between the Ferraris, McLaren and Brawn

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and let me add that it would be nice to see a season where the main discussions will rest on the driving and not at all the other ugly stuff that's been happening the last couple fo years.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:04 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
And Here it is...Alonso confirmed by Ferrari to replace Kimi.
3 year deal.

Good for Ferrari. To me, he is clearly the best driver in F1 at the moment.

Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years...  grumpy   grumpy 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:25 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years...

Don't you dare take the Madrista's side? (I'm looking at you EZEIZA!!!)

Go Barca!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79063
Interesting to note McLaren coming out quickly to rubbish rumours that Kimi is going to be the second driver in 2010.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:30 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years

hahaha....you poor thing!

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
Alonso confirmed by Ferrari to replace Kimi.

And Kimi just became even more filthy ritch! Bastard! Big grin

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
I hope that Lewis and Kimi dominate next year

Before it's official, I will not believe that Kimi will go to Mclaren. Strange things have happened before in this sport.
Well, if he goes back to Mclaren he will still be at a top team, and not doing what D. Hill did.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:35 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years...

you'll be a happy person, belive me Big grin

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
Don't you dare take the Madrista's side? (I'm looking at you EZEIZA!!!)

First step Ferrari ... it's only a matter of time before his football tam chamges as well
 cheeky 

Quoting Sudden (Reply 16):
Well, if he goes back to Mclaren he will still be at a top team, and not doing what D. Hill did.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:12 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
Don't you dare take the Madrista's side?



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
it's only a matter of time before his football tam chamges as well

There are two things that will never change: 1) my love for Barça, 2) my hate for Madrid  Wink

Quoting Sudden (Reply 16):
hahaha....you poor thing!

 Big grin

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
you'll be a happy person, belive me

Dunno, I'll just support the driver, not the team.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:44 pm

not very happy i cant stand alonso now I'm going to split with who to support massa at Ferrari and kimi at mclaren damn  banghead   scratchchin 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:00 pm



Quoting T1210s (Reply 19):
not very happy i cant stand alonso now I'm going to split with who to support massa at Ferrari and kimi at mclaren damn

I agree with you, but probably for another reason.
Mine would be that I think Massa and Alonso will cause headlines because both of them will be arguing like 2 teenage brats who's having their period for the first time.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:20 pm

gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!!  Wow!  Wow!

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:23 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
I hope the team gives equal treatment to both drivers,

Is there anyone that thinks for one minute that Alonso would be happy with that?
He will try to force his #1 position likely with a negative outcome, Massa seems much loved at the Scuderia, and it will be 2007 all over again!
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:27 pm

also have to factor schumi into the equation who after all retired to save massa
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:29 pm

My parents ain't gonna like the fact that Alonso is going to Ferrari.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:26 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!

Alonso is a great race driver and fantastic at helping to develop a car, however, his diplomacy skills are lacking.... The combination of Fisi as test driver and Alonso as #1 will draw upon their experiences from their days at Renault as the drivers of the 2005 and 2006 championships seasons. It appears that Massa is not the chosen one for next year.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:43 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 22):
and it will be 2007 all over again!


You mean that Massa will not be the faster of the 2 with equal cars!? In 2007 Massa had been with Ferrari for a 1 (or was it 2 even) year(2) but Kimi was still able to beat him.
I hope Ferrari will play it just like they have been doing with Felipe and Kimi. Will probably piss off Alonso after a while. But again, Massa can be a cry baby as well, so it can be very interesting to see what these 2 will be doing.

Quoting T1210s (Reply 23):
also have to factor schumi into the equation who after all retired to save massa

hahahhaa.........That's what Schumi said indeed. You are not telling me that you actually bought that crap? Schumi would never give way for another driver just like that.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!

I said it before, I like Alonso a lot as a driver, but he will only be happy at Renault cause there he gets the treatment he wants. It was no coincidence that he went from Mclaren back to Renault again.

On the contrary,
Lewis vs Kimi would be fun to see as Kimi couldn't care less about Lewis.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:48 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 26):
Quoting T1210s (Reply 23):
also have to factor schumi into the equation who after all retired to save massa

hahahhaa.........That's what Schumi said indeed. You are not telling me that you actually bought that crap? Schumi would never give way for another driver just like that.

true or not he has alot of respect for massa and alot of power at ferrari and he wont let massa stand for any crap from alonso. also i'll guarantee now alonso will only do 1 year at ferrari for the same reasons he left mclaren he's not going to be the out right "no1" driver.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:01 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
There are two things that will never change: 1) my love for Barça, 2) my hate for Madrid Wink

One didn't need the other ... loving Barca = hating Madrid, ande vice-versa Big grin

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
Dunno, I'll just support the driver, not the team.

Then try to watch the races on Spanish tv .. they tend to make the viewer believe that Alonso doesn't win because the rest didn't allow him too (in fact, it's Spanish press that made me not like Alonso at first, then all the crying started, but the press was just too biased).

Quoting Sudden (Reply 20):
Mine would be that I think Massa and Alonso will cause headlines because both of them will be arguing like 2 teenage brats who's having their period for the first time.

Alonso has proven to be a crybaby throughout his career .... I hope this changes, and the team won't give any priorities, Having said that, I can unfortunately see one of the two crying on front of the press because one of their pit stops was 0.000001 seconds slower than the teammate.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!! Wow!

As a driver, I think no one can deny he is very good, arguably the best at present, but as a package, yes, you are one of the few  Wink
His constant crying, his involvment in dodgy stuff ... dunno, but he'll have to do a hell of a season (both on and off the track) for me to like him. But I am a Ferrari fan and the team is above any driver, so I am forced to support him (and Massa, of course).

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 22):
Is there anyone that thinks for one minute that Alonso would be happy with that?
He will try to force his #1 position likely with a negative outcome, Massa seems much loved at the Scuderia, and it will be 2007 all over again!

I really hope you are wrong, but I am afraid you will be right.

However, I'm not so sure Ferrari will tolerate such childish behaviour in the team. If 2007 will happen, they will act on it.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:39 am

oh boy, i dont know what to think.

For some reason, i never thought alonso would join ferrari until 2011. I did not think ferrari would get rid of kimi or massa before their contracts were up.

I am saddened. i am a kimi and ferrari fan(although i was somewhat of a mclaren fan before that). I like kimi a lot. i think he gets a bum rap for apparently not being 'motivated' because he doesnt talk a lot. I think a lot of it is the media just not liking that he isn't personable. I think kimi is one of the best drivers on the grid. and all the talk of him being uninterested is people speculating. I think if mclaren didnt have the reliability issues often associated with the newey designed cars he would be a multiple world champion by now.

However, i have always said alonso is one of the best drivers on the grid, if not the best. It is just a shame when we have a top driver in a mediocre car. He got two wins in a car last year that was top mid field.you cannot deny alonso is a complete racer. I think he will do well at ferrari. when ferrari signed massa i wondered what they were thinking. he never impressed me before that, but i must say that since then he really has turned into a great driver. pair them together and i think they have an impressively strong line up

But, if kimi does indeed go back to mclaren, holy crap. That team i think will be a powerhouse. I may not be a lewis fan, but his skills, while not mature, are undeniable. Partner that with kimi who can be the best of the best and they will have the best driver line up on the grid. Assuming the powerhouses of mclaren and ferrari produce good cars next year, and red bull and brawn continue their success we could have an amazing amazing year. Can you imagine? Can we just give brawn the two titles now and start 2010 tomorrow?

I can't wait. I do hope kimi goes to mclaren. I hope he doesnt retire.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:38 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!!

I liked Alonso when he was in a Minardi and when he was at McLaren.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 28):

I really hope you are wrong, but I am afraid you will be right.

However, I'm not so sure Ferrari will tolerate such childish behaviour in the team. If 2007 will happen, they will act on it.

With any luck Alonso learnt a valuable lesson from the experience at McLaren. It probably didn't help that Lewis was Rons prodigy. If Alonso were to go to McLaren now I think things would be different.

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 29):
But, if kimi does indeed go back to mclaren, holy crap.

I don't think it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised to see Glock or Sutil wind up in the second seat at McLaren. They need someone who can provide good support for Lewis.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:58 am



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Williams:
Barrichello
Hulkenburg

 Sad

I'd much rather have Rosberg and Hulkenberg. Shame Sir Frank couldn't persuade him to stay at Williams. Rosberg is a future star, while Barrichello is but a quick, decent driver who might win the occasional race, not championship material and certainly not a long term prospect. I think Williams will have made the wrong driver choice.

I have nothing against Barrichello as a driver. He's pretty good, but he's not the man to lead Williams onwards to their next title. I think we needed someone there for the long run, an up and coming star.

As an aside, if Williams had the money to buy anyone out of their contract, I'd love to see Vettel there  Smile
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:09 am



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 29):
But, if kimi does indeed go back to mclaren, holy crap. That team i think will be a powerhouse.

I agree. Two world champions in the same team. I hope it doesn't become another Senna v Prost or Hamilton v Alonso saga, and that these two undeniably brilliant drivers will do what they do best: racing.

I'll forever be a Williams fan first, but Raikkonen and Hamilton are my top two favourite current drivers  Smile I was disappointed when Raikkonen first went to Ferrari. He looks much better in silver than in red  Smile
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:17 am

According to this article which is more about MotoGP, Marlboro had to allow Raikkonen to be released from his contract.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/mot...port/2009/10/01/1253989991847.html
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:27 am



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 33):
Marlboro had to allow Raikkonen to be released from his contract.

Interesting article, even more interesting is how much influence Marlboro wield in two sports that do not allow tobacco advertising.
Not sure who is fooled by the "barcode" logos... pretty cynical exploitation of the rules IMO.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:11 am



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 34):
Not sure who is fooled by the "barcode" logos... pretty cynical exploitation of the rules IMO.

Yeah. But actually, you can't blame them. There is no reference to tobacco or cigarettes anywhere..and the team are referred to as 'Scuderia Ferrari'. I remember a few years ago they were 'Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro'.

Not happy that Alonso is going to Ferrari. No doubt he'll start bitching and moaning about Massa and 'unequal' treatment. I wonder how he will react when Massa (back from his horrific injuries) starts winning races, I highly doubt he'll stay for more than one season at Ferrari.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:18 am

Kimi and Hammy both racing for McLaren will be quite interesting.

Hammy is young and energetic and motivated, all chances are that he will do a better 2010 season than Kimi. The competition between the two will be very good for him and will motivate him even more. Nico may have been more of a challenge for Hammy than Kimi if he had taken the second seat.

Back to topic, I really look forward to the Japanese Grand Prix!
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:08 am



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 29):
He got two wins in a car last year that was top mid field

Well, now we know we can't really give Alonso credit for one of those wins, all thanks for that go to Briatore's "plan".

Quoting Sudden (Reply 26):

You mean that Massa will not be the faster of the 2 with equal cars!? In 2007 Massa had been with Ferrari for a 1 (or was it 2 even) year(2) but Kimi was still able to beat him.

Don't hate on Massa, he was in his 2nd year with Ferrari and did out-qualify Kimi on the season 9-8. Sure he made a few mistakes, but he definitely had inferior luck compared to Kimi that season and was definitely not soundly beaten by Kimi. Their 2nd year together, Massa out-qualified him 12 times in 18 races, and outperformed him in the majority of the races as well. I know Kimi is a great driver and a consistent one, but I think Massa is a quicker driver and now that he's matured, IMO he's a better overall package and Ferrari agree with me because he's still with the team.

I stopped liking Alonso the second he started beating Schumacher's Ferrari, but now that he is joining the Scuderia I'm pretty excited as I think the red cars will have far and away the best driver pairing on the grid. I rate Hamilton as Alonso's equal as best driver on the grid, but like I said above I think Massa is right there with them and above Kimi in the pecking order so Ferrari may well find themselves in a 2007 Mclaren situation with 2 equally brilliant drivers with fiery personalities fighting for control of the team. I tend to think the team will side with Massa as they know him and love him, but we shall see.

As for Barichello moving to Williams, that would be a shame to see him leave Brawn, and IMO a mistake by the BGP team as Rubens has been excellent for them this year and really ever since he joined Honda a few seasons ago. He is fighting for the title this year and consistently outperforming his soon-to-be-champion team mate in the 2nd half of this season, and he is a proven development driver. I guess Rosberg would be interesting, but I'd rather see Rubens stay in a race-winning car and I don't think Williams will make that leap next season.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:41 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 37):
Don't hate on Massa

No worries there. I can though sometime feel that he's overrated. He sure is good (otherwise he wouldn't drive for Ferrari).
Just as you wrote, he has matured very much, but I still think he can be a cry baby, and if Alonso would start his wining, Massa might not be far behind with the wining.

And as I said before, will Massa be back to his old form anyway? Ferrari most likely know far more then me, but I still feel that they are venturing out on deep water now.

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:57 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 38):
Just as you wrote, he has matured very much, but I still think he can be a cry baby, and if Alonso would start his wining, Massa might not be far behind with the wining.

THANK YOU!!!! At least I'm not the only one thinking that Massa is cry-baby!! Alghouth I have to say he improved lately.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:09 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 39):
THANK YOU!!!!

Thank you!? You paid me to write that. Big grin

Serious though, I have always felt that Massa likes to be the victime, but I hope that he has grown out of it.
We have never seen it with Kimi as his team mate, cause Kimi does was he is paid to do, drive.
He better be with his salary.  Wink

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:30 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 26):
but he will only be happy at Renault cause there he gets the treatment he wants

Briatore's gone...don't know if he'd still get that.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 37):
Don't hate on Massa

I'm not a fan of Ferrari as a team, but I respect Massa a lot. Just like Grahamhill is thinking of cheering on Alonso because of the driver and not the team aspect, I too (being a huge McLaren fan) would be ok with Massa winning races.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 38):
And as I said before, will Massa be back to his old form anyway? Ferrari most likely know far more then me, but I still feel that they are venturing out on deep water now.

I agree that he's matured a lot. Something tells me his decision to come back to a sport after his accident is more of a "all or nothing deal"...I think he's going to come back and be stronger and more focused then ever. I think thats what he wants to prove, that you come back and drive like a world champion...for more then about 15 seconds :-P

On the topic of Kimi....
It is interesting to note that McLaren have come out calming Kimi rumours and Kimi has come out saying he might quit F1 all together.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082

I agree that Kimi and Lewis at McLaren would be fantastic...assuming Kimi actually cared about winning/driving. But I would MUCH rather see Nico Rosberg or Adrian Sutil in the car. Glock is decent but he irks me a bit for some reason. I think giving Nico or Adrian a chance in a silver bullet would be fantastic. And I think they would do REALLY well--and they both drive under the German Flag.

But Speed has been sitting here saying Mercedes wants a german in a Mercedes powered car....I feel bad for Adrian Sutil...please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Force India MERCEDES a Mercedes powered car?...and isn't Adrian Sutil German? What am I missing that Speed TV doesn't understand.

And another interesting topic...in today's press conference, Adrian Sutil said he might go back to GP2 with a top team?
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:46 pm

Now why is everyone pushing Kubica to Renault ? Id rather see him in McLaren or Brawn. Lewis or Jenson wouldnt mind. Im not sure about Williams, neither one of the new teams. I think he deserves to race for a company that thinks about the future, and not about 3 year plans to a championship and coward out of the sport (take a wild guess who  Yeah sure ).

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:55 pm

Oh, and to those who need a refresher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRe-8jKCsvc
A lap around Suzuka with some bloke named Michael  Wink
 
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:04 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 39):
THANK YOU!!!! At least I'm not the only one thinking that Massa is cry-baby!! Alghouth I have to say he improved lately.

To be honest they are both cry babies, and both have improved. But In the cry baby ranking, no one beats Alonso's 2007 tears.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:42 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 44):
But In the cry baby ranking, no one beats Alonso's 2007 tears.

Well, he came to McLaren thinking he would be the #1 driver (which is logical, considering he was the reigning two times world champion and Hamilton was a beginner). He felt some lack of support and to be honest, I still believe that Ron Dennis did not manage well 1) the status of both drivers (who is clearly #1 and who is clearly #2) and 2) the tensions that were arising little by little between the two drivers. At the end, Dennis lost the WDC because of that.

Alonso rightly thought that his double world champion status would make him the number one driver, especially when his teammate was a newbie. So in a way, I understand his complaints.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:04 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 45):
So in a way, I understand his complaints.

The Mclaren management also came out saying that they should have listened more to Alonso while he was driving for them, but didn't, and due to this they lost it.
Good by Mclaren to come out saying this, me think.
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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:05 am



Quoting Sudden (Reply 40):
Serious though, I have always felt that Massa likes to be the victime,

I felt that as well but had been thinking he had grown out of it... seems not-

Quoting Autosport:
Massa: Piquet crash robbed me of title


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79108

Seems the needling and whining may have started earlier than we expected.

Seriously Felipe, you can blame Nelsinho, Alonso and Renault all you like but if your pit stop in Singapore had not been FUBAR then you would* be WDC right now.

Cheers

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:01 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
First practice: 1000-1130 (0200-0330 BST)
Second practice: 1400-1530 (0600-0730 BST)

- It is currently 02:00 (well, a few ticks shy) here EDT (same as New York City) and SpeedTV is showing Formula One (I assume practice). They were talking about the wet and practice earlier. Occassionally they will have "LIVE" on the top left hand corner. Now, if someone could do me a favor of translating the time to tell me if this coverage is live or not? Should I just go to one of the many Formula One-based websites and see what the results of this practice session is? Thanks in advance,

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RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix

Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:11 am



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 47):
Seems the needling and whining may have started earlier than we expected.

Oh my, this was a year ago and now he starts to complain!? With the Renault crashgate Massa found a way to cover up his OWN major screw up in the pit. What a poor attempt.

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