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Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:29 pm

Italian police car can hit 202 mph
Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:10 AM


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KARL MATHIS | AP
The Lamborghini police car

AMSTERDAM -- The Dutch are about to learn how Italian police catch speeders.

A Lamborghini police car with a top speed of 202 mph (325 kilometers per hour) was en route today -- presumably within the speed limits -- from Italy to the eastern Dutch city of Ewijk to be the top attraction at a display of Dutch emergency services.

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I hope police will not need to drive at 202 mph .. interesting story, nonetheless

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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:37 pm

I've seen these "police cars" and I find them a huge waste of money.

Radio is faster than any car.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:00 pm

We constantly hear of, and see, the death on the roads caused by 'high speed police pursuits', especially in the US. When are they going to learn this is an ineffective AND deadly practice? As Andz mentions, this is why police have radios and other tools at their disposal. 300km/h police cars will just kill more innocent citizens and police. The only land transport that should be doing that speed in Italy is the train network (Eurostar Italia).
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:07 pm



Quoting Andz (Reply 1):
I've seen these "police cars" and I find them a huge waste of money.

I am pretty sure that outside of the autobahn, where such things are necessary, these exotic police cars are PR tools more than anything. I highly doubt that they have ever reached those speeds in anger. Some US police departments have been known to use Camaros or Mustangs, but even those wouldn't be too much faster than a standard cruiser.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:12 pm



Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
A Lamborghini police car with a top speed of 202 mph (325 kilometers per hour) was en route today

With the light bar on the roof I very much doubt it will get anywhere near it's top speed.

Quoting Andz (Reply 1):
I've seen these "police cars" and I find them a huge waste of money.

In this instance the car was donated, just like the last one. I have read that it is mainly used for high speed organ transfer and as a promo vehicle.
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:10 pm

only in italy Big grin thats all im going to say
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:22 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I am pretty sure that outside of the autobahn, where such things are necessary, these exotic police cars are PR tools more than anything.

Exactly.

I live in Borgo Panigale, Bologna right near the main highway and one of the chief highway cops in the Polizia Stradale was a student of mine a while back.

He said the same thing - that the Lambos are just for show, and that, in addition to the great expense of runnng them, they are incredibly uncomfortable to sit in all day, what with the lousy seats and massive roaring engine in your ear.

The irony of it all, is that the car spends all day locked up in a special garage hooked up to the power mains, to ensure the batteries don't go bust.  no 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:41 pm

Though these kinds of vehicles are not generally used (if at all) to perform everyday police duties, there have been a number of occasions where these vehicles are used to perform time critical duties such as human organ transportation.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:46 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):

I am pretty sure that outside of the autobahn, where such things are necessary,

How is it necessary? You radio ahead. Since such speeds are only achievable on the highways, it's easy to roadblock it. What are you going to do once you catch the other car at 202 MPH?
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:19 am



Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 2):
When are they going to learn this is an ineffective AND deadly practice?

- A friend of mine had a father-in-law who was chasing someone (bad guy in a Fierro (sp) and the officer was in a Chevy Caprice) and the police officer lost control on a curve and was killed instantly. A bad guy (even a car thief) is not worth the loss of a police officer.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
use Camaros or Mustangs

- The state police in my state utilize these vehicles, all unmarked and all LED'd out. They look sharp but do not get up to 200 MPH though.

Quoting Andz (Reply 1):
I've seen these "police cars" and I find them a huge waste of money

- Like it has been said about this particular vehicle, most are donated my either the manufacture or a local dealer. California Highway Patrol had one (if not more) but I can not see a pursuit getting to 200 MPH in SOCal!

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 6):
they are incredibly uncomfortable to sit in all day

- I can imagine wearing the uniform (vest and tack) in one of those cars for 8+ hours a day!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
it's easy to roadblock it.

- The use of stop sticks are a better alternative.

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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:34 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
With the light bar on the roof I very much doubt it will get anywhere near it's top speed.

It'd still get along pretty well I think. I saw some photos of one of the new Italian Police Lamborghinis, one of the LP560 versions. Pretty quick that car - especially when it can outrun a Ferrari 599 in a straight line (and the Carrera GT almost for that matter).

I'm pretty sure it is the fastest Police car in service.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 6):
and massive roaring engine in your ear.

It's music to the ears.   And certainly more luxurious than the NSW Police Lotus Exige:



Given the choice, I'd prefer the Lamborghini everyday! It's like a Rolls Royce in comparison.  

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9):

- The use of stop sticks are a better alternative.

The Lamborghini is for special purposes only (urgent organ transport, etc) and the Lotus above was a PR stunt by the NSW Police to try and reduce the instances of street-racing if I remember right.

[Edited 2009-10-08 21:36:08 by cpd]
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:02 am



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9):

- The use of stop sticks are a better alternative.

Sure. Doesn't matter. What matters is that light travels faster than a Lamborghini. You can do more with a radio and phones combined with conventional vehicles than you can with a Lamborghini. And when he goes off-road, the Lamborghini isn't going to be able to follow. Sounds to me more like a boondoggle than a serious plan for highway patrol.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:13 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
What matters is that light travels faster than a Lamborghini.

But light won't get an organ from A to B. For that purpose, I think a 200mph car fits the bill quite nicely.

The Lambos aren't going to be used for routine patrols, and for good reason. But if they're donated, then I see nothing wrong with using them for PR purposes and for time-critical functions.

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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:45 am



Quoting Cpd (Reply 10):
It'd still get along pretty well I think.

No doubt about that, however the light bar on a Falcon or Commodore knocks about 20-30 km off the top speed, even the rood racks on my 3 series drop top speed by at least 20km.
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:58 am

Just how quick is this Police Lamborghini? This is standard road-version of the same car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKoK5pnbZrs&feature=channel_page

It's compared against its older brethren, the Superleggera. Impressive! It's all done in a controlled environment at a closed airfield, so no harm done to anyone.  Smile
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:27 am

Some other sporty and fast police cars. :P

Germany:



Austria:

Riding the radials...
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:39 am

You are all missing the point...

It's the Italian police ...they need to look cool.

I mean , really, what would the Italian police be if they weren't dressed in those smart black uniforms, wearing designer sunglasses and smoking a cigarette while leaning on the bonnet of a cool Italian car.

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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:06 am

Some shots of the Lamborghini Gallardo in question as taken from here. (Just click the top picture for the full gallery).









As FRAspotter correctly pointed out, they do indeed have the ability to be used for urgent organ transport.

And a shot of the UK 5-O's Lambo:

Source.

Coincidentally, the source for the pic above states that the car was bought not with tax payer's £££, but from £££ from speeding fines and parking offences.

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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:48 am

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 17):
And a shot of the UK 5-O's Lambo:

Is that one of the Lamborghini of London number plates on it? I've seen "YEV1L" on a number of Murcielagos, including a yellow one tested by Martin Brundle for his supercar DVD. The same car (an original Murcielago 6.2L) was also on Top Gear.

Seems like it's a press fleet demonstration car probably given to the Police for a given period of time (and then it goes back).

[Edited 2009-10-09 02:57:36 by cpd]
 
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:56 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9):

- The use of stop sticks are a better alternative.

Sure. Doesn't matter. What matters is that light travels faster than a Lamborghini. You can do more with a radio and phones combined with conventional vehicles than you can with a Lamborghini. And when he goes off-road, the Lamborghini isn't going to be able to follow. Sounds to me more like a boondoggle than a serious plan for highway patrol

- I do not disagree with you at all, I was responding to the "Roadblock" suggestion posted earlier. Roadblocks are dangerous to officers in the police car(s) and somewhat to the suspect. What I was saying is that a set of stopsticks used properly are much safer than a setting up a roadblock or chasing a suspect at 100+ MPH.

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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:07 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Some US police departments have been known to use Camaros or Mustangs, but even those wouldn't be too much faster than a standard cruiser.

The only reason WHY police-packaged Camaros and Mustangs came into existence nearly 30 years ago was because the then-newly downsized sedans typically used as police vehicles suffered a drop in performance (aka Big Block withdrawl); particularly top speed. From 1981 through 1989, not ONE full-size police-packaged sedan achieved a top speed (in slick-top form) of 120 mph or higher. The police-packaged Mustangs (advertised as the Mustang that chases Porches for a living) and Camaros helped fill in the performance void at the time but the drawback of both of these vehicles (from a police department standpoint) were lack of prisoner space.

During the early to mid 1990s, when the police-packaged Caprices and Crown Vics started posting higher top speeds again; many police departments no longer had a need for a Camaro or Mustang.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
use Camaros or Mustangs

- The state police in my state utilize these vehicles, all unmarked and all LED'd out. They look sharp but do not get up to 200 MPH though.

The police-packaged Mustang was dropped after 1993 and the last police-packaged Camaro (which could obtain tops speeds of 150-160 mph) died with the previous-generation Camaro after 2002. If the State Police in your state are STILL indeed using those vehicles; those are rather old vehicles now.

Any Mustangs newer than 1993 used by police departments are essentially retail models.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:56 pm



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
Any Mustangs newer than 1993 used by police departments are essentially retail models.

I want to say that the Illinois State Police have a yellow Cobalt around too.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:25 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
I want to say that the Illinois State Police have a yellow Cobalt around too.

Which I am sure is NOT used for typical uniform patrol/pursuit duty. It's probably used as a people mover, meter maid and/or a public safety promotion vehicle.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:45 am



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
The police-packaged Mustang was dropped after 1993 and the last police-packaged Camaro (which could obtain tops speeds of 150-160 mph) died with the previous-generation Camaro after 2002. If the State Police in your state are STILL indeed using those vehicles; those are rather old vehicles now

- The Mustangs they use here are less than two years old and they are not off the showroom floor. They are "Beafier" and much faster than the flashy ones that Ford is marketing.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:18 pm



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 23):
- The Mustangs they use here are less than two years old and they are not off the showroom floor. They are "Beafier" and much faster than the flashy ones that Ford is marketing.

You overlooked one of my other quotes (Bold emphasis added):

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
Any Mustangs newer than 1993 used by police departments are essentially retail models.

What I meant by essentially is that there is NO official police nor special service package available from the factory. If there were, the Michigan State Police would've been testing it along with other police package or special service vehicles every year the last police-packaged Mustang rolled out in 1993.

If those 2-year old Mustangs you're referring to are indeed beefier than the current GT model, which is roughly priced about the same as the full-size Police Interceptor; chances are those mods were installed aftermarket. Which wouldn't be the first time for such.

Back in the late-80s, there was a rumor that the San Francisco Police Department had supercharged (aftermarket) one or two of their police Crown Vics and during the mid-80s, the Turnpike division of the Massachusetts State Police took 5 of their Crown Vic police cars and dropped in 460s (7.5 liter) engines (which were still available for the Super Duty trucks and vans) in them for Porsche-eating purposes.

The only issue with any aftermarket modifications/replacements is that they're NOT covered under the original manufacturer's warranty. Which is probably why such actions are not usually done en masse.
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RE: Italian Police Car Can Hit 202 MPH

Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:40 pm



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
Which I am sure is NOT used for typical uniform patrol/pursuit duty. It's probably used as a people mover, meter maid and/or a public safety promotion vehicle.

It has no police markings and I saw it with lights on making a traffic stop. I've only seen it in Southern Illinois though.
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