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F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:31 pm

Hello F1 nuts,

Since the Brazilian GP is (already) taking place this week-end, it was time someone created a new thread  Smile

A driver will make his debut: Kamui Kobayashi. He will replace Timo Glock who is still recovering from his accident in Suzuka. Kobayashi is the current Toyota test driver, so he knows the car already. Let's see what he can do among the big cats.

It is also Barichello's home GP! He is still running for the WDC title and I would bet he will do his utmost to win - at last - his home GP and why not closing in his teammate.

There's been always plenty of stuff happening in Brazil, so let's hope this edition will follow the same trend  Smile
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:41 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
Kobayashi is the current Toyota test driver, so he knows the car already

The same was said about Badoer. Big grin

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
It is also Barichello's home GP

He would for sure be able to win it, and racing in front of his home crowd gives him lots of extra support and motivation. Would be good if he wins it cause it would then really be a battle down to the last race.
Button can actually afford to score zero now, and still wrap it up in Abu Dhabi. Not what he is aiming for, one would guess.

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Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:18 pm

I think Rubens can win this one... although I would rather have Hammy as the big winner!

I will be happy to see two Japanese racing in this GP. Kazuki Nakajima and Kamui Kobayashi.

http://www.kazuki-nakajima.com/

http://www.toyota-f1.com/en/index.html

I am not sure how well they will do though... Can't be worse than Badoer.  laughing 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:54 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 1):
He would for sure be able to win it, and racing in front of his home crowd gives him lots of extra support and motivation. Would be good if he wins it cause it would then really be a battle down to the last race.
Button can actually afford to score zero now, and still wrap it up in Abu Dhabi. Not what he is aiming for, one would guess.

If he wants the WDC, he should do a Heidfeld ie. just drive for the points or finish as close to Barichello as possible, at least Vettel will be without chances for the last race.

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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:45 am

Ok everyone. I know this isn't the Italian GP thread, but i figured everyone who would want to see these would visit this thread so here goes.

As most of you remember, i attended the Italian GP in September. I have posted a few images below, and also provided the links to a couple flickr albums where you can look through them(remember to click all sizes to see the bigger pictures). I also shot some videos(not well though) so i uploaded those to youtube. Enjoy!

Bear with them, i am not a photographer, or a videographer, and i am sure none of these will be making it into autosport anytime soon.

http://i38.tinypic.com/k3420j.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2rddxfb.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2eowopk.jpg


Here are the flickr sets:
Track Walk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43589692@N04/sets/72157622463586347/
Pit Walk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43589692@N04/sets/72157622588173370/
Other: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43589692@N04/sets/72157622588180854/


And i have some youtube videos. They are not the greatest, but whatever:
First Corner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxN2lnqq-w
Formation Lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOL2gLsYjnY
Porsche Supercup Spin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-M_k8JJXZU
First Corner GP2 Race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9V7Se1qOk
Practice Starts during Friday Practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfwNNcN2nfw
Force India Pitstop Practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI1W1lRy7ck
Force India Pitstop Practice 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_PejLDofjw

I have some more, but these were the best, and I maxed out my flickr.

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:43 am

i found another thing that is not brazil related.

youtube video of onboard laps of the abu dhabi cicuit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikvjwBEYk50&feature=player_embedded
 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:03 am



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 4):
Here are the flickr sets:

Thanks a lot, Scrubbs! The old circuit is really impressive. I've been once to a place in England (not too far away from London) where there was a banked circuit like this and it was extremely difficult to reach the top, as it was very steep. I guess the same goes for Montlhéry. These banked circuits are really impressive!
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:22 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 6):
I've been once to a place in England (not too far away from London)

Was it Brand's Hatch?
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:38 am



Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
Was it Brand's Hatch?

I am guessing Brooklands.

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:50 am



Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
Was it Brand's Hatch?

No, but I would have liked to go there! I love Brands Hatch!

Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
I am guessing Brooklands.

I can't remember. That was almost 10 years ago. The banked circuit is not in use anymore. We've been there to visit a racing car museum. I'll try to find the name/location and get back to you.

I'll always remember an Englishman coming to us during the visit and asking if we were French. He then talked about how sad he was that Montlhéry was not existing anymore, that he has been there for the 1,000 km of Paris and how great this track was (which, in all fairness, is true) and started to tell us a lot about this track. We were all amazed (in the positive way  Smile)
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:24 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
The banked circuit is not in use anymore.

Almost certainly Brooklands.

Part of the old track can still be seen every evening as I travel home on the train. Most of it has gone now though and what remains is slowly disappearing as development continues. Mercedes has a big facility there and, of interest given this site, Brooklands Museum with several '60s vintage airliners (Concorde, VC-10, Viscount, BAC 1-11, Vanguard) is just next door.

Brooklands Museum
http://www.brooklandsmuseum.com/

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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:51 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 1):
The same was said about Badoer.

At least Kobayashi can be excused seeing as it was his first time. Badoer was rubbish back in 1999 when he last had a race contract and, as we all know, is still rubbish ten years later.

I wouldn't mind betting that Kobayashi could drive the F60 better than Badoer could. Big grin  duck 
 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:43 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Brooklands Museum

Yes, that's the one! Thanks for the link, Scbriml. I remember now.

StealthZ, how on Earth could you possibly guess it was Brooklands?  Smile Have you been there already?

A shame I did not have any camera at that time. There were some fine pieces of engineering to take in picture.
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:42 pm

I am having a bit of trouble with the schedules. Is this UK time?
What time will the Sunday GP itself start? I would not want to miss out because of the time difference.

2009 BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX
Friday 16th October
10:00 – 11:30 Formula One Practice Session 1
14:00 – 15:30 Formula One Practice Session 2
15:40-16:15 Porsche Cup free practice
16:25-17:00 Porsche Cup Light free practice
17:25-17:55 Support event free practice

Saturday 17th October
11:00 – 12:00 Formula One Practice Session 3
14:00-15:00 Formula 1 qualifying
15:10-15:45 Porsche Cup qualifying
16:00-16:35 Porsche Cup Light qualifying
16:50-17:20 Support event qualifying

Sunday 18th October
09:05-09:35 Support event race
09:50-10:25 Porsche Cup Light race
10:35-11:10 Porsche Cup race
14:00 Brazilian Grand Prix (71 laps)

TV SCHEDULE - BBC One (BST)
Saturday 17 October
17:15 Qualifying Live

Sunday 18 October
16:00 Live Race
21:00 Highlights (BBC Three)


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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:13 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
StealthZ, how on Earth could you possibly guess it was Brooklands? Have you been there already?

Not been there but steep banked tracks were not that common in Britain and Brooklands is the only one I know of that has enough remaining (and a museum) to be worth visiting.

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:33 pm

M.C.

I believe you are +5 from the Local Time.

Adjusted for your time zone....

2009 BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX
Friday 16th October
15:00 – 16:30 Formula One Practice Session 1
19:00 – 20:30 Formula One Practice Session 2
20:40 - 21:15 Porsche Cup free practice
21:25 - 22:00 Porsche Cup Light free practice
22:25 - 22:55 Support event free practice

Saturday 17th October
16:00 – 17:00 Formula One Practice Session 3
19:00 - 20:00 Formula 1 qualifying
20:10 - 20:45 Porsche Cup qualifying
21:00 - 21:35 Porsche Cup Light qualifying
21:50 - 22:20 Support event qualifying

Sunday 18th October
14:05 - 14:35 Support event race
14:50 - 15:25 Porsche Cup Light race
15:35 - 16:10 Porsche Cup race
19:00 Brazilian Grand Prix (71 laps)

To double check these times, I suggest you go to www.f1.com and on the right side of the main page you will see the schedule, underneath, you can click on "Convert to My Local Time" and it should be correct.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:40 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
I believe you are +5 from the Local Time.

Those times are correct indeed.

MadameC,
On F1.com on the right hand side of the start page, you are able to convert the times so that they match with your location. Just a tip.  Wink

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:56 pm

Thank you two for your help. Only two GPs left.  crying  I don't want to miss out on any minute of racing!  airplane 

Go Hammy!!  angel 

Go Kobayashi!! Go Nakajima!!  cheerful 
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:17 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
TV SCHEDULE - BBC One (BST)
Saturday 17 October
17:15 Qualifying Live

Sunday 18 October
16:00 Live Race
21:00 Highlights (BBC Three)

- Does anyone know if SpeedTV in The States is going to broadcast these events live or not? I sure hope so, I am off Saturday night and would love to watch qualifying!

David

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Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:23 am



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 18):
Does anyone know if SpeedTV in The States is going to broadcast these events live or not? I sure hope so, I am off Saturday night and would love to watch qualifying!

qualifying is at noon central(north american) time on saturday.
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:19 am



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 4):
As most of you remember, i attended the Italian GP in September.

Not really as I was in Germany at that point, missing the Italian and Belgian grand prix. Hopefully you've seen my pictures of the Singapore race in the Japan thread.

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
It is also Barichello's home GP! He is still running for the WDC title and I would bet he will do his utmost to win - at last - his home GP and why not closing in his teammate.

Well the pressure really is on Vettel and Barrichello to finish ahead of Button and make sure that he's not on the podium. Otherwise it's game over.
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:28 am



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 20):
the pressure really is on Vettel and Barrichello

1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Barrichello

As long as Hammy is on the highest step on the podium.  angel 
He will not be under pressure for the world title this year so he will be relaxed and as long as the car responds properrly I believe he can win Brazil... and Abu Dhabi too!!

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Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:52 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):

As long as Hammy is on the highest step on the podium.

Well a Hamilton win will do McLaren a lot of good as it would move them ahead of Ferrari in the constructors race.
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:03 am



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 22):
a Hamilton win will do McLaren a lot of good

He would no doubt win the world title again this year if McLaren would have provided him with a perfect car right from the start. I find it is still not good as it is now. They better improve it!

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Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:30 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
He would no doubt win the world title again this year if McLaren would have provided him with a perfect car right from the start. I find it is still not good as it is now. They better improve it!

And if they'd done that he wouldn't have won it last year. McLaren have openly admitted that their push for the title last year cost them resources to create a championship winner this year.
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:53 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 20):
Well the pressure really is on Vettel and Barrichello to finish ahead of Button

The pressure is just as big on Button to keep the other 2 behind him. None of the 3 are in a real nice and relaxed position at the moment, and from now on I dare to say it's the one with the nerves in place that will bring home the title.

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Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:09 am

For Button, it would be good to win this one. 1) of course because it would give him the title and 2) because people would not argue that he won his title only on the first half of the season.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:29 am

I would much rather see Rubens with the World Title rather than Jenson Button.
He deserves it. He is an oldie with a brilliant career behind him. It might be his last chance.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:56 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I would much rather see Rubens with the World Title rather than Jenson Button

Rubens had to fall in line behind Schumi for several years, so never really got the chance to show who he was. After that he was in a less competitive car, so that didn't make his case better.
Button faced a hard as well cause media made him a god when he came to F1, and he was the new Hill, Mansell and so forth, and when that didn't happen they didn't really show him any real respect either.
So in a way I feel that both of them are worthy of the title.

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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:06 pm

I'm going for a Hamilton win this weekend - especially if he ends up on the front row. The Sao Paulo track is hot and at relatively high altitude comapred to other circuits. That has a slight effect on engine power and so the theory goes is expected provide KERS equipped cars with more advantage than normal. Given that Interlagos has a couple of good decent length straights with passing possibilities at the end of them, then Hamilton should be well placed to take advantage. Kimi could go well in the Ferrari too because of this, but as the Ferrari doesnt seem to be as good as the McLaren in qualifying, I suspect a podium is the best he can hope for.

I think the title will go to the last race, but with only the 2 Brawns fighting it out and and Button having a big points advantage. I don't think it will be decided this weekend.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:47 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
He would no doubt win the world title again this year if McLaren would have provided him with a perfect car right from the start. I find it is still not good as it is now

Well, Kimi could say the same too. If Ferrari would have provided a decent car then he might be up there too.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I would much rather see Rubens with the World Title rather than Jenson Button.

I want Rubens to win too. Nothing against Button, but I've always liked Rubens. He must have suffered a lot being the constant number two in Ferrari, but he was always competitive. Just behind MS, but above all the rest of the grid, unlike present examples like Kovalainen in McL.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:31 pm

Hammy is doing really well. He is the best time so far. They are really fast today!
Rubens is doing good too. Rain is threatening.

Update: wet track. All cars are back to their stands.

[Edited 2009-10-16 06:40:06]
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:58 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I would much rather see Rubens with the World Title rather than Jenson Button.

I also wish for him to win the WDC, he totally deserves it.

I don't hate Jenson Button, he was just never a driver that...stuck out and really deserved it. I haven't seen many convincing drives/passes etc.

For example, remember last year when Hamilton won the German Grand Prix, after McLaren screwed up their pit stop strategy winnning by passing 4 people in front in a matter of 8-10 laps? granted, one was Heikki, Heidfeld had to pit, but he still passed Massa and Piquet, in a very convincing fashion. not to mention when he won the British Grand Prix last year by over a minute when everyone else was struggling for any grip at all, spinning around like mad, while he drove a nearly flawless race, setting fast lap after fast lap.

Its things like that that make me think a driver is worthy of winning the WDC. Vettel had some very flawless convincing drives especially in the rain at Monza. And even Barichello this year had some very convincing drives.

Button had a great drive in Hungary a few years ago..and it was brilliantly done. But this year, I feel he's just been..average or consistent. He hardly goes for passes and it seems like if he doesn't qualify P1...he doesn't have it in him to make progress.

I hope Barichello wins, for me...I think that he deserves it more then Button. You see the passion and desire in his expressions and his driving. Button, not as much.

Vettel, I see it with him too...and I think he'll be WDC soon enough...but not this year. But I'm impressed with his determination / desire and passion.
 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:37 pm

Rubens is doing really well. There's been some action today. Not a dull moment.
First race for Kobayashi yet he has two behind him! Not so bad for a first try!

This is the first qualifying results of the day.

1 Australia M Webber Red Bull
2 Brazil R Barrichello Brawn
3 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
4 Finland H Kovalainen McLaren
5 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
6 Japan K Nakajima Williams
7 Great Britain J Button Brawn
8 Germany N Rosberg Williams
9 Germany A Sutil Force India
10 Finland K Raikkonen Ferrari
11 Italy J Trulli Toyota
12 Germany N Heidfeld BMW Sauber
13 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
14 Poland R Kubica BMW Sauber
15 Italy G Fisichella Ferrari
16 Spain F Alonso Renault
17 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
18 Japan K Kobayashi Toyota
19 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
20 France R Grosjean Renault

Until later for Qualifying 2 of today.

Interlagos is not an easy track. It definitely needs further improvements. You can even see animals crossing when the cars are out.
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:20 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Interlagos is not an easy track

It's a track that I always enjoyed on the Playstation  Smile
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:09 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 34):
It's a track that I always enjoyed on the Playstation Smile

The PlayStation and the real world are two totally different things.

The Interlagos track needs some serious revamping. The drivers have to drive on concrete then it changes to tar, bumps everywhere and narrowings, not talking about animals crossing the track. This is dangerous. The drivers know it.

Felipe Massa was at the qualifyings today. He looked well although probably not fit for racing.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:25 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
The PlayStation and the real world are two totally different things.

Really? Big grin

I'll sue Electronic Arts, then. They lied to me!  Wink

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
The Interlagos track needs some serious revamping. The drivers have to drive on concrete then it changes to tar, bumps everywhere and narrowings, not talking about animals crossing the track. This is dangerous. The drivers know it.

Not to mention heavy traffic to access it and the dangerosity of the place (in 2006, some Toyota members were attacked by gunned men).
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:44 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 36):
the dangerosity of the place

Abu Dhabi will be a lot safer no doubt.  Big grin
Just think the number of private luxury yachts that will be moored around the track (much more so than in Monaco) and the cost of the hotel rooms by the track itself. Fortunes! And it's all fully booked, no discounts of any kind, outreageous prices. I can tell you because I looked into going. Best is to stay in Dubai (already not cheap) and commute to AD.

http://www.formula1.com/races/in_det...u_dhabi_823/destination_guide.html
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:49 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 32):
He hardly goes for passes and it seems like if he doesn't qualify P1...he doesn't have it in him to make progress.

I said it before, but Button has a very boring driving style. He's not taking any risks at all. He is not an aggressive driver that is fun to watch.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
The PlayStation and the real world are two totally different things.

Damn! Couldn't you have said this earlier! I have already sent my high score to all the teams hoping I will get a drive for next year.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 36):
I'll sue Electronic Arts, then. They lied to me!

Just tell them "See you in court."

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Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:50 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 36):
Not to mention heavy traffic to access it and the dangerosity of the place (in 2006, some Toyota members were attacked by gunned men).

I was lucky enough to attend the Brazil GP sevral times at Interlagos and although it's not Montecarlo, I didn't find the area particularly dangerous, or worse than some other areas. Sao Paulo as a whole is not the safest of cities, but Interlagos is not the worst.
The track is a difficult one, with lots of up's and down's, especially the first turn where they come in at top speed and suddenly have that chicane ... and it looks much harder being there (I managed to get access to the pits a couple of times)!
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:25 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 39):
The track is a difficult one, with lots of up's and down's, especially the first turn where they come in at top speed and suddenly have that chicane ... and it looks much harder being there (I managed to get access to the pits a couple of times)!

The safety car came out at the end of Q2 I could not figure out why.

I agree. Interlagos is a difficult and dangerous track that definitely needs some more upgrading.

The drivers probably need a lot more concentration and effort there than on any other track and they must be really tired after a full race and so many laps.

Even Kimi finished the Q2 today all the way in the back and I would say he is an experienced driver while Buemi was in front. Hammy did not do too good either in Q2. We will see what happens in Q3 tomorrow.
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:25 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
The safety car came out at the end of Q2 I could not figure out why.

I think you are confusing yourself now MC.  Wink
Q2 will happen tomorrow first, but practise session 2 might have brought out the SC.

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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:40 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 41):
I think you are confusing yourself now MC.

You are absolutely right. I am getting my Q's all mixed up.
Today was all Q1 of course. I must be tired.  Yeah sure
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:06 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 42):
I am getting my Q's all mixed up.

I think you need to replace Q with P. This brings a whole new meaning to watching your P's and Q's.  wink 

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):

The PlayStation and the real world are two totally different things.

No they're not!! Zombies exist in real life right??

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 36):
Not to mention heavy traffic to access it and the dangerosity of the place (in 2006, some Toyota members were attacked by gunned men).

I think that's just Brazil in general. Didn't they change the law so at night you didn't have to stop at a red light because that was an easier solution to prevent car jacking?
 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:54 am

P2 might be the first session I can ever recall seeing in my entire time watching F1 where the whole field was covered by less than a second, it's always remarkable how even all of the cars are around Interlagos. In fact, from first to 19th is just 7/10ths of a second. That's as close as a NASCAR grid, but this is on a track that actually has challenging turns and undulations  Wink Very cool, hopefully the qualifying will be just as competitive (though I'd like to see Ferrari a bit higher up than the very back of the grid!).
 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:15 pm

Did not find any Internet livecast of the last practice session anywhere. I had to follow it by text. Hammy is cauliflowers in 17th place and Kobayashi finished last. Nakajima did not do so bad.

I hope to find a livecast of the qualifying later today. It will be serious business then.

This is the result.

1 Germany N Rosberg Williams
2 Japan K Nakajima Williams
3 Great Britain J Button Brawn
4 Spain F Alonso Renault
5 Germany A Sutil Force India
6 France R Grosjean Renault
7 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
8 Italy J Trulli Toyota
9 Germany N Heidfeld BMW Sauber
10 Australia M Webber Red Bull
11 Finland K Raikkonen Ferrari
12 Finland H Kovalainen McLaren
13 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 Brazil R Barrichello Brawn
15 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
16 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
17 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
18 Italy G Fisichella Ferrari
19 Poland R Kubica BMW Sauber
20 Japan K Kobayashi Toyota

 Yeah sure
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:22 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Rubens is doing really well. There's been some action today. Not a dull moment.

Come on Rubinho! You can win the race. Big grin
 
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:35 pm

Apparently, this session lasted only 18 minutes because of the poor weather. I don't know if we can draw any conclusions from it.
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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:48 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
Hammy is cauliflowers in 17th place and Kobayashi finished last. Nakajima did not do so bad.

Like Bill142 and myself told you earlier, this is practise and not qualifying. You need to change your Q to a P.  Wink
Q1-Q3 is to take place in 71 minutes.

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RE: F1 2009: Brazilian GP

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:52 pm

The BBC's Jonathan Legard rates the chances of Barrichello, Button and Vettel...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanl...button-barrichello-and-vettel.html

The main reason why Button is in a good position is that at the start of the season the Brawn car was ahead of everyone else, but once clarification was reached on the diffuser, it wasn't really the same outstanding car as everyone else caught up by introducing their own diffusers and improving the cars as the season progressed.

And good on Button I say! He caught everyone sleeping at the start of the season and developed a gap between him and the rest of the pack, and his consistency has more or less maintained his lead, even though it didn't come from winning race after race over the last few months. Even though Schumacher was a perfectionist, I wouldn't mind betting he wished he had it just as easy when winning his seven titles. But then again, he made winning the WDC look easy. ;

It has been an interesting season though. I mean, who'd have thought McLaren and Ferrari would be midfielders this season?

Qualifying will be interesting considering today's rain. But at least Button is looking good in the practice times. Fingers crossed he can translate that into pole or a front row/top 4 start.

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