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Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:34 am

Buick has announced its next vehicle will be the Opel Insignia-based "Regal" sedan.

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With the death of Saturn's Aura model (and all of its models because the brand has been axed by the "new" General Motors, along with Pontiac) Buick is expected to get a Opel Insignia based 4-door sedan - the car will be named the Regal. A version of the Regal, already branded is currently on sale in the Chinese market. Like the new LaCrosse, the Regal will be based on the Epsilon II front-wheel-drive platform, though the Regal will be positioned just below the LaCrosse by forgoing some of the more premium elements of the sleek-looking LaCrosse.

The Regal will be about four inches shorter in wheelbase than the LaCrosse, and about seven inches shorter in overall length. Powertrain offerings will likely stick to the 180-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, with a possible optional engine upgrade to the 3.0-liter V-6 also found in the base version of the LaCrosse, leaving the upmarket models of the LaCrosse with a further step above the Regal in the form of the 3.6-liter V-6 with Direct Injection. No word yet on transmission choices, but I assume that the 5 and/or 6 speed automatic transmissions would be the obvious choices for this Buick.

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:09 am

Cool! Will there be a NASCAR version?
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Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:35 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Buick has announced its next vehicle will be the Opel Insignia-based "Regal" sedan.

I've seen the Insignia in the flesh and it's a beautiful car with some interesting lines and a high quality, stylish interior. If they combine its modern lines with the classic name of Regal then Buick might have a winner here...

...but I wonder if they will be able to differentiate enough between their THREE similarly styled sedans, Regal, Lacrosse, and Lucerne. The Regal and the Lacrosse are much closer than the Lacrosse and Lucerne so I can see some buyers either getting confused by the two offerings or opting for the cheaper saloon seeing the larger offering as not being "premium" enough. If I were at the helm at Buick I would keep the larger cars as saloons only and turn the Regal into a full family of saloon, premium hatch, a station wagon, and perhaps even a coupe/convertible.
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:53 am

This isn't really news though. Buick has offered the Regal and Century side-by-side during the 1990s, and they were essentially the same car. Oldsmobile was notorious for it.
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Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:58 pm

Nice lookin' buggy.

I like both the LaCrosse and the Lucerne.

My Deville is, however, paid-for and likely to stay that way, and runs supremely at 103,000 miles, so I intend to keep it to 200,000 miles or so.
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Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:49 pm



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
.but I wonder if they will be able to differentiate enough between their THREE similarly styled sedans, Regal, Lacrosse, and Lucerne.

I think it will work. Largely because it seems like the Regal will be positioned as a more sporty model vs. the LaCrosse... which has no sporting intentions. Additionally the LaCrosse is almost a full-sizer, pretty close in size to the new Taurus, whereas the Regal is a true midsizer. As for the Lucerne I wouldn't worry about much confusion there. As it stands now it will continue to serve the needs of the more traditional Buick driver and be the luxury sedan upgrade at the Hertz counter. I have not read anything firm about what GM will do to replace the large FWD sedans (DTS and Lucerne).

Lexus has show having two similar cars at the same price point can work.... see the ES and IS. While not platform mates (IS is RWD, ES is FWD) the sit around the same price point but occupy different market niches. And both sell over 100k a year.




Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Powertrain offerings will likely stick to the 180-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, with a possible optional engine upgrade to the 3.0-liter V-6 also found in the base version of the LaCrosse, leaving the upmarket models of the LaCrosse with a further step above the Regal in the form of the 3.6-liter V-6 with Direct Injection. No word yet on transmission choices, but I assume that the 5 and/or 6 speed automatic transmissions would be the obvious choices for this Buick.

As everything else that is new from GM has the 6-speed Hyrdomatic, the Regal will most certainly get it as well. Some rumors have said that the base model LaCrosse may get the 2.4DI 4-cylinder. This paired with the 6-speed auto has turned out some pretty impressive fuel economy numbers which may resonate with buyers. I would assume the Regal will get both the 2.4DI 4-cylinder and 3.0DI HF V6. If a performance version does materialize I would expect at least the 2.8T HF V6 or perhaps a version of the Ecotec Turbo.



Really good product like this, and the new Taurus from Ford, makes me confident that at least two of the Big 3 will survive and prosper in the next decade. Question is will it attract enough of the mindless appliance driving drones away from the Camcords.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:35 am

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Powertrain offerings will likely stick to the 180-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, with a possible optional engine upgrade to the 3.0-liter V-6 also found in the base version of the LaCrosse, leaving the upmarket models of the LaCrosse with a further step above the Regal in the form of the 3.6-liter V-6 with Direct Injection. No word yet on transmission choices, but I assume that the 5 and/or 6 speed automatic transmissions would be the obvious choices for this Buick.

I assume that these are Buick engines as the choice of petrol engines on the Opel Insiginia in e.g. Austria is as follows:

- 1.6 Ecotec 85kW / 115PS
- 1.8 Ecotec 103kW / 140PS
- 1.6 Turbo Ecotec 132kW / 180PS
- 2.0 Turbo Ecotec 162kW / 220PS
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 191kW / 260PS
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 239kW / 325PS

And on the gearbox side you can choose between 6-speed manuals and 6-speed automatic (depending on engine) with 4 x 4 option on some models.

Would none of these engines be interesting for the US market? And then for sure you have various Diesel options in Europe as well.

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Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:43 am



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
If I were at the helm at Buick I would keep the larger cars as saloons only and turn the Regal into a full family of saloon, a station wagon, and perhaps even a coupe/ convertible.

 bigthumbsup 

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Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 6):
Would none of these engines be interesting for the US market? And then for sure you have various Diesel options in Europe as well.

With the exception of the 2.8T HF V6 in a later arriving performance version it is expected that the US market Regal will see the 2.4L direct injection Ecotec four-cylinder and the 3.0L direct injection HF V6.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:19 pm

Now I wonder if they will put one of those fake convertible roofs on it Big grin

Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 6):
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 239kW / 325PS

And on the gearbox side you can choose between 6-speed manuals

This combo would be sexy, but I doubt we ever get that Stateside.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Now I wonder if they will put one of those fake convertible roofs on it Big grin

That would be cool too!  Cool
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Now I wonder if they will put one of those fake convertible roofs on it

It makes me ill when I see nice European sports/luxury sedans with a landau top. It's usually a Mercedes-Benz.
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:23 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
It makes me ill when I see nice European sports/luxury sedans with a landau top. It's usually a Mercedes-Benz.

I've never seen landau roofs on European cars. I only see those on nice American cars.
Buick, Cadillac, Lincoln and Mercury look best with landau tops.
The bubble shaped cars of today don't look right with them.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
That would be a great idea.

I actually thought that they could have kept the Pontiac G6 convertible alive as a Buick, with some styling updates of course. Maybe it's already in the cards?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):

This combo would be sexy, but I doubt we ever get that Stateside.

I agree. I was just checking the new 2010 VW Golf on the VW website and for the US market you can only get the 5-door Golf with the automatic, no manual option even offered (only on the 3-door). The stick shift is truly on its last legs here in the US, unfortunately!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):

I've never seen landau roofs on European cars. I only see those on nice American cars.

You should take a trip to South Florida then 'fly. I've seen new Cadillac CTSs, Lexus LS400s, Mercedes-Benz C-Class...even a VW Jetta with a landau roof! If its got 4 wheels and a hard roof, they'll put one of roofs on it!
 
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Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
I actually thought that they could have kept the Pontiac G6 convertible alive as a Buick, with some styling updates of course. Maybe it's already in the cards?

I would certainly hope to see that happen. It would be a shame that GM spent all that time on engineering only to have it scrapped after a few years in production.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
You should take a trip to South Florida then 'fly. I've seen new Cadillac CTSs, Lexus LS400s, Mercedes-Benz C-Class...even a VW Jetta with a landau roof! If its got 4 wheels and a hard roof, they'll put one of roofs on it!

Interesting. That would look neat on the Cadillac CTS but the others I am not so sure.
I do like the vinyl and cloth roofs on the newer Lincoln Town Cars that I usually see used as hotel courtesy cars. Ideally in black.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 6):
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 239kW / 325PS

And on the gearbox side you can choose between 6-speed manuals

This combo would be sexy, but I doubt we ever get that Stateside.

This combo is coupled with four-wheel drive and called the OPC version, it's available as a 5-door sedan and station wagon.
 
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Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 15):
This combo is coupled with four-wheel drive and called the OPC version, it's available as a 5-door sedan and station wagon.

1. It's not 4WD, it's AWD (Haldex). Huge difference.

2. Eastern side of the pond only.
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Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
The stick shift is truly on its last legs here in the US, unfortunately!

Well, I think it has seen a resurgence lately, especially with smaller, more efficient cars being more common now. Also, the BMW M5 got a manual transmission because of the US demand.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Also, the BMW M5 got a manual transmission because of the US demand.

Uh... No. Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work. Europeans buy stick shift, even cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Specifically about the M5, the only transmission you can get with it is a flappy-paddle sequential manual.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):


Specifically about the M5, the only transmission you can get with it is a flappy-paddle sequential manual.

Incorrect. And it was based on North American demand.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...d_Specs/M5SedanSpecifications.aspx

http://paultan.org/2006/12/10/e60-bmw-m5-now-with-manual-transmission/

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Uh... No. Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work.

Actually, it is usually more because they just don't know how.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Specifically about the M5, the only transmission you can get with it is a flappy-paddle sequential manual.

...that will get used once in the car's lifetime...then the tranny will go to automatic mode and will stay there forever.

The sequential trannys in high end sport(ish) cars have only one purpose - make them accessible to wealthy customers who otherwise wouldn't be able to drive them.

PS: On other continents (where drivers are actually able to drive not only steer) the M5 is available with 6MT too.
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Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 20):

PS: On other continents (where drivers are actually able to drive not only steer) the M5 is available with 6MT too.

Actually, North America was the exclusive domain of the 6MT E60 M5 at first. Not sure if that is still true.
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Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:15 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Uh... No. Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work.

Actually, it is usually more because they just don't know how.

...or we just don't like to waste our time shifting gears.
Sticks-shifts are fun on sports cars, off-road pick-up trucks and makes sense with small econo-cars. Those of us that prefer luxury sedans don't want to be bothered with shifting gears.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Sticks-shifts are fun on sports cars, off-road pick-up trucks and makes sense with small econo-cars. Those of us that prefer luxury sedans don't want to be bothered with shifting gears.

I used to drive a BMW 540i, and I LOVED the 6-speed manual in it.
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Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:26 am

It's cool the Regal is being revived, but as a proud former Buick Regal owner, it just won't compared to this family....

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):

...or we just don't like to waste our time shifting gears.
Sticks-shifts are fun on sports cars, off-road pick-up trucks and makes sense with small econo-cars. Those of us that prefer luxury sedans don't want to be bothered with shifting gears.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):

I used to drive a BMW 540i, and I LOVED the 6-speed manual in it.

Sport Sedan is different. Larry likes the kind of cars that indeed used to come with fake soft tops.
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Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Sport Sedan is different. Larry likes the kind of cars that indeed used to come with fake soft tops.


He said luxury sadans, and the 540 applies. I suppose his preferences are for the category known as 'Land Yachts'.  Wink

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Those of us that prefer luxury sedans don't want to be bothered with shifting gears.

That's perfectly OK, but the topic is about a midsize sedan. A sharper version with MT (and perhaps with the Haldex too) could find some customers (could it be called Wildcat?). In my dreams. It will never materialize. I have a case of Blue on it.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work. Europeans buy stick shift, even cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Europeans would by more automatics if gas wasn't so expensive. In fact, European driving conditions are more preferential for automatics. It's funny that Europeans try to push it as a "lazy" thing. It's not. Europeans are just as lazy, but don't enjoy dirt cheap gasoline. Hence, America (and Japan, where gas is also cheap), prefers automatics. In fact, there is usually a strong correlation between a nation's high gas prices and the percentage of vehicles sold with a manual transmission, even within the EU.

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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
but don't enjoy dirt cheap gasoline.

Neither do Americans these days.
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Europeans would by more automatics if gas wasn't so expensive.

Or they weren't cheapskates themselves.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
In fact, European driving conditions are more preferential for automatics.

Where in Europe? In countries I drove in, manual was perfectly OK.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Europeans are just as lazy, but don't enjoy dirt cheap gasoline.

When will Europeans stop whining and ask their governments why they have to pay 150% tax on gasoline? Your social system costs a buck or two, you know...
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Neither do Americans these days.

Well, in comparison they do. I visited the old country in August and paid 1.2 Euro per litre of N95. The average income in Slovakia is roughly 700 Euros per month. Do you want to tell me that the gasoline in the US is not dirt cheap compared to that?
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Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
...but I wonder if they will be able to differentiate enough between their THREE similarly styled sedans, Regal, Lacrosse, and Lucerne.

If Buick is serious about being taken seriously in the States, they'll make the Lucerne RWD. I'm not optimistic though.
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Europeans would by more automatics if gas wasn't so expensive.

Is there really that much of a difference in mileage between an automatic and manual transmission?

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 24):
It's cool the Regal is being revived, but as a proud former Buick Regal owner, it just won't compared to this family....

 drool 
That was a phenomenal sports coupe!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Sport Sedan is different. Larry likes the kind of cars that indeed used to come with fake soft tops.

Keep in mind the Cadillac Seville came with the simulated carriage top from 1980 - 1997.
Towards the end of those 3 generations, those were sports sedans.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 26):
He said luxury sadans, and the 540 applies.

I guess those would qualify.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
(could it be called Wildcat?).

NO!
Please don't disgrace that name-plate on a generic, run-of-the-mill, bubble-shaped rental car.
If Buick ever brings back the Wildcat nameplate, it better be on a full-sized platform as a convertible that seats 5 or 6 passengers with long & low styling.
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
In fact, European driving conditions are more preferential for automatics.

That's a rather broad statement, I would say. I love the automatic transmission on my car here in Hong Kong, but would not have one back home in Austria where I live in the middle of the mountains and my driving is mainly on twisty mountain roads going up and down.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Is there really that much of a difference in mileage between an automatic and manual transmission?

With the small engines used in Europe the difference can be staggering. I was even shocked by the poor fuel economy of Jetta TDi I once rented here, compared to the European counterparts with MT.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):

NO!
Please don't disgrace that name-plate on a generic, run-of-the-mill, bubble-shaped rental car.

Now I'm sad.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
If Buick ever brings back the Wildcat nameplate, it better be on a full-sized platform as a convertible that seats 5 or 6 passengers with long & low styling.

Now, that won't happen either. I have another case of Blue on this.
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Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:38 am



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 35):
Now I'm sad.

No need to be sad.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 35):
With the small engines used in Europe the difference can be staggering.

True but with a larger car such as the BMW 540, is there a significant difference in fuel economy with auto vs. MT?
One would think that anyone who can afford a BMW 540 that cost of gas wouldn't be an issue.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:43 am



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
If I were at the helm at Buick I would keep the larger cars as saloons only and turn the Regal into a full family of saloon, premium hatch, a station wagon, and perhaps even a coupe/convertible.

And the proper name of a upscale Buick coupe/hardtop convertible??

RIVIERA, of course  eyebrow 
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:48 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
True but with a larger car such as the BMW 540, is there a significant difference in fuel economy with auto vs. MT?

Honestly, I have no personal experience. However, according to my former boss, there was little. 535i MT vs 530d AT was an entirely different story though. The 530d was much better on fuel. But he grew to hate it anyway. That, sort of, answers your next question:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
One would think that anyone who can afford a BMW 540 that cost of gas wouldn't be an issue.

I fully agree with you on that. However, if someone buys an 540i with MT you may be sure he didn't do it for the fuel economy.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:59 am



Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 15):
This combo is coupled with four-wheel drive and called the OPC version, it's available as a 5-door sedan and station wagon.

Perhaps named the Regal GS (sports sedan) and Regal Estate Wagon (with all-wheel drive)!

Source on high performance version of the new Regal: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/16/buick-regal-gs-sport-rumor/

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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:11 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 37):
And the proper name of a upscale Buick coupe/hardtop convertible??

Now that is an idea. Take the Corvette platform, stretch it to squeeze in two more seats, add a nice interior and a V8 and get a nice halo model worthy of the Buick name. Make it more civilized, luxurious and easier to live with than a Corvette, and cheaper than an XLR with two extra seats. The new Riviera could fight with the new E Class coupes (formerly CLK) and Audi A5.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:24 am



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 31):
Do you want to tell me that the gasoline in the US is not dirt cheap compared to that?

The average Slovakian doesn't drive as much either.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):

Is there really that much of a difference in mileage between an automatic and manual transmission?

If you drive correctly, absolutely.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):

That was a phenomenal sports coupe!

That is not a coupe. The only thing coupe-like about the Grand National is that it had 2 doors

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Towards the end of those 3 generations, those were sports sedans.

 rotfl  rotfl 

Only if you buy into Cadillac's marketing.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 38):
However, according to my former boss, there was little. 535i MT vs 530d AT was an entirely different story though. The 530d was much better on fuel.

Well, that is because it was diesel.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):

True but with a larger car such as the BMW 540, is there a significant difference in fuel economy with auto vs. MT?

Depends on how you drive. Then again, you wouldn't be buying if for the economy, but the better sporting characteristics.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:12 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 37):
And the proper name of a upscale Buick coupe/hardtop convertible??

RIVIERA, of course

I would love to see that comeback as well but not on the current generic rental car designs.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
That is not a coupe. The only thing coupe-like about the Grand National is that it had 2 doors

Hmmmm , so what is missing that dis-qualifies it as a "coupe"?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
Only if you buy into Cadillac's marketing.

Well it the Seville was just as potent as any other Eurosnob-sports sedan of it's time. The only drawback to the Seville was that it was front-wheel drive.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:19 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 42):

Hmmmm , so what is missing that dis-qualifies it as a "coupe"?

Too big.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 42):

Well it the Seville was just as potent as any other Eurosnob-sports sedan of it's time. The only drawback to the Seville was that it was front-wheel drive.

There were a lot of factors that made the Seville not a sports sedan. Soft Caddy seats, soft suspension, FWD, no manual transmission, soft handling...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 42):

Best of all, it would smoke any BMW 5-series and would look great with a simulated carriage / landau top.

Well, no, it wouldn't smoke an M5.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:25 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
Too big.

The 1986 Buick Regal GNX was a mid-size car. It was roughly the same length of a current day Honda Accord.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
Soft Caddy seats, soft suspension,.....soft handling..

That makes the car luxurious.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
Well, no, it wouldn't smoke an M5.

It would certainly give it a run for it's money. If anything, it would go head-to-head with that import.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:13 am



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 20):
PS: On other continents (where drivers are actually able to drive not only steer) the M5 is available with 6MT too.

If it wasn't for BMW North America there would not be a manual M5.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
In fact, European driving conditions are more preferential for automatics.

Please explain this statement.
 
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:24 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Europeans would by more automatics if gas wasn't so expensive. In fact, European driving conditions are more preferential for automatics.

Disagree - more mountainous roads need a better ability for engine braking. Automatics suck at that.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:03 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
The average Slovakian doesn't drive as much either.

I'd check the reality before posting that. In the more wealthy areas (like the Bratislava district), people put on their cars quite a mileage. In the poor areas people just can't afford it, so they drive less. Believe me, if they had to pay 47 cents per litre (yesterday's price in Detroit), they'd drive much more. And that's just straight conversion.


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 45):
If it wasn't for BMW North America there would not be a manual M5.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Actually, North America was the exclusive domain of the 6MT E60 M5 at first.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. Back on the topic, however, I still don't believe that the Insignia OPC with MT (or any manual version for that matter) will make it to North America under any nameplate.
Perhaps if Magna would start to sell Opels in Canada...
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:12 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 47):
I still don't believe that the Insignia OPC with MT (or any manual version for that matter) will make it to North America under any nameplate.
Perhaps if Magna would start to sell Opels in Canada...

The proper name for this car if sold in America should be Skylark.
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RE: Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:46 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 16):
1. It's not 4WD, it's AWD (Haldex). Huge difference.

Now that's splitting hairs. No car (not trucks!) on the market today has a lock-up transfer case without a center differential, which seems to be the general definition of 4WD. All are AWD, regardless wheter it's a system that activates on demand (e.g. Haldex) or a permanet one (e.g. classic center differential).
I'd say the two terms are often used interchangeably.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Is there really that much of a difference in mileage between an automatic and manual transmission?



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 35):
With the small engines used in Europe the difference can be staggering. I was even shocked by the poor fuel economy of Jetta TDi I once rented here, compared to the European counterparts with MT.

Don't forget that an increasing number of classic (hydraulic torque converter) automatics is replaced by dual-clutch transmissions, at least in Europe. These mostly offer the same or even better economy (some have seven gears vs. five or six on the manuals).


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