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Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:24 am

Global handset leader Nokia announced Thursday it has filed a lawsuit against rival Apple, alleging that the iPhone infringes on GSM and wireless LAN related patents owned by the Finnish company.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...f_patented_wireless_standards.html
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:18 am

This could be a very interesting case if Nokia is right here. It is quite similar to NTP v. RIM, only Nokia has the resources to squeeze Apple instead of going for a relatively low settlement.
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:26 am

Im waiting for Klaus to defend Apple since according to him they invented electricity and the wheel.

All in all, Apple hasnt invented squat and doesnt own squat in intellectual property in the cellular world. They refuse to pay and they jacked technologies which were patented.
 
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:51 am



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
All in all, Apple hasnt invented squat and doesnt own squat in intellectual property in the cellular world. They refuse to pay and they jacked technologies which were patented.

Hmm not really Apple is paying quite a lot of money to Ericsson for every sold Iphone. Ericsson are very happy with Apples payments and have in several newspapers, (read www.di.se October 23) said that they are pleased with Apple and the deal made.

Its however interesting to note that Nokia, who owns much less patents regarding technology compared to Ericsson, Siemens and Qualcomm for example are the ones filing the suit.
Nokia is also the company depending most on sales of handsets.

It will be interesting to watch how this plays out. Since Nokia doesnt have the support of its competitors this time, in contrast to when they took on Qualcomm, I doubt they will find to much success.
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:52 am



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):

They invented the click wheel Big grin  duck 
 
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:40 am

Hopefully both are paying their royalties to the Australian Government since they own the patent on wifi

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/04/02/2533416.htm
 
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:11 am



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
All in all, Apple hasnt invented squat and doesnt own squat in intellectual property in the cellular world.

If I recall, Apple has about 200 patents related to the iPhone. That might indicate they have some original thoughts.

Apple's main talent, in my mind, is that they can take ideas laying around doing nothing and turn them into profitable designs that consumers want. The GUI and mouse designed at Xerox is a classic example. Xerox was going nowhere with the designs, but Apple could see how to get it to market in a successful way - and the Mac is born.

They also have some special talents in developing total environments for their products. The iPod was the first with the hardware, software, iTunes software and then the iTunes Store. The iPhone expands that total environment approach with the AppStore.

I don't know where Nokia is giong with their lawsuit, but odds for me are that they might be looking at ensuring they get the use of some of Apple's patents for their smart phone. They might be inadvertently be using some Apple patents already - but that is what Discovery is all about in a lawsuit.
 
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:39 am



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
All in all, Apple hasnt invented squat and doesnt own squat in intellectual property in the cellular world.

They didn't necessarily "invent" everything, but they took existing technology and improved upon it; translation for you: CONSUMERS WIN!

Take a look at the smart phones before the iPhone and after the iPhone. Not only is the iPhone itself a great piece of technology, the iPhone spearheaded the touch screen in portable devices and put pressure on all the other cell phone manufacturers to come up with better devices.
 
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:27 am



Quoting YVR787 (Reply 4):
They invented the click wheel

And the MacTini ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noe3kR8KqJc  rotfl 

I'm also curious to see what the lawsuit is about. I wonder what Nokia patented technology Apple is using without paying ... I guess it'll be one of those 10-year lawsuits with hundreds of millions transferred back and forth at the end. I'll grab some popcorn...
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Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:46 am



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
Im waiting for Klaus to defend Apple

This is standard patent litigation; Apple does it as much to other companies as Nokia is doing it to them and of course Apple is already paying royalties for various technologies they're using.

Nokia is increasingly losing out to Apple and RIM in the higher-revenue smartphone market segment, so at least their legal department is trying to share a bigger chunk of Apple's success.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
since according to him they invented electricity and the wheel.

I'd debunk these false claims just as much as any of the other ones you've made before.
 
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Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:17 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Nokia is increasingly losing out to Apple and RIM in the higher-revenue smartphone market segment, so at least their legal department is trying to share a bigger chunk of Apple's success.

The patent battles are a standard tool of the trade: Nokia had had Motorola on their tails in the past.

Another thing is that the current management is going to ruin Nokia. Everyone is 100% pissed at them, the Finnish workforce and their subcontractors alike. Ask for retroactive discounts (or lose contracts) of your subcontractors and require the workforce to reapply for their positions yearly, and wow are you going to win some friends. I wrote about this a while back, and was not mistaken, it's all indicators down for them.
 
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:53 pm



Quoting Averageuser (Reply 10):

Management issues aside, I think the Symbian OS has to be completely revamped; I have a E66, and have used a N97 extensively recently. While they are great systems, they are no match for the iPhone OS, Android, and BlackBerry OS. With the explosion of Android phones, I think Nokia is in for more losses.
 
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):

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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:46 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Hopefully both are paying their royalties to the Australian Government since they own the patent on wifi

I wouldn't think so, since Apple doesn't directly implement the WiFi technology in ANY of it's products.

True, it may utilize the technology through components supplied (and licensed from) 3rd party manufacturers, but that doesn't make them liable to pay roylties, certainly no more so than I am liable to pay royalties directly to Nokia for every Iphone I purchase!
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:40 am



Quoting Elite (Reply 7):

Take a look at the smart phones before the iPhone and after the iPhone. Not only is the iPhone itself a great piece of technology, the iPhone spearheaded the touch screen in portable devices and put pressure on all the other cell phone manufacturers to come up with better devices.

Not only that, but remember how on Star Trek: The Next Generation all the panels were flat and could be reconfigured just by touch?

That's what's happening here. Apple was the first company to really master the technology of making a device without buttons (to be fair, it has two buttons and a switch) but with controls that could automatically reconfigure themselves. They didn't invent the smartphone, but they brought the GUI to it, and in the process, re-invented it.

Now, if you want to know about copycats, check out Microsoft...
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RE: Nokia Sues Apple Over IPhone Patent Infringements

Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:56 pm

It will be interesting to see what Patents Nokia is after. My understanding is that Apple licenses all of their Wireless and Wifi technologies from other companies. Now if it is how they interwork, I think Nokia is going to have a long road ahead of it, as their are precedents, and then there are precedents.

There will be a lot of lawyers making a lot of money, and at the end, I think what you will see is that Nokia wants access to some of the Iphone's patents on the touchscreen in lieu of royalties.
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