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How? Oasis Of The Seas 72 M, Bridge 66 M Tall.

Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:03 am

Thursday, the worlds alrgest cruiseship, Royal Caribbean's Oasis of the Seas leaves the yard in Finland. On Saturday the ship will have to pass the Storebælt bridge in Denmark.

The ship is 72 meters tall and the bridge is 65 meters tall. How do they do that ?


Here is the answer:


- Telescopic chimmneys will be installed that can be lowered 6.15 meters

- The ship will pass under the bridge at low tide

- The captain will pass at full throttle ( 140 000 horse power ), wich will lower the ship even further down in the water.

All of this will give the ship a clearance of 1.5 meters



The telescopic chimmneys will be used this one time only. Once the ship reaches germany they will be replaced by ordenary chimneys

The cost of these telescopic chimmneys and the use of them this one time only will be 12 million NOK...


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Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:21 am

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
wich will lower the ship even further down in the water.

Taking advantage of the same conditions that caused the grounding of the QE2 off Massachusetts in 1992 in waters deeper than her keel!



EDIT, Corrected name of ship

[Edited 2009-10-27 05:10:34]
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:59 am

Talking about the QE2 I do not like these new mega-ships.

The Carnival Dream was in town the other day. She is only one month old.
I did not like her looks.
Even the Queen Victoria looks like a Beauty Queen compared with these new sea beasts.
Vickie will be here next week for her last visit of 2009 to MonteCarlo/Monaco.

I am waiting to see the Oasis of the Seas down here but they generally send them out to Villefranche, for some strange reason their ships don't come to Monaco.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:03 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
The Carnival Dream was in town the other day. She is only one month old.
I did not like her looks.

Carnival ships looks like car ferries. The Royal Caribbean ships are much more elegant with much sleeker lines.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:47 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Even the Queen Victoria looks like a Beauty Queen compared with these new sea beasts.

One person's beast is another's beauty.

I couldn't imagine a better way to take a week-long skirt around the Caribbean. At least not having to deal with people who can't seem to get their nose level to the horizon.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:02 pm



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 4):
One person's beast is another's beauty.

I couldn't imagine a better way to take a week-long skirt around the Caribbean.

Ah, but like Guy de Maupassant you can cruise in the "beast" at your hearts content because you do not have to look at them!!!
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:08 pm

Chairman's blog may be useful in these days during the delivery.

[Edited 2009-10-27 06:18:57]
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:17 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- The captain will pass at full throttle ( 140 000 horse power ), wich will lower the ship even further down in the water.

That must be some adrenalin push not only for the captain. Do they close the bridge or are tickets sold for onlookers at the central point?
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Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- The captain will pass at full throttle ( 140 000 horse power ), wich will lower the ship even further down in the water.

Would it not be safer to load the ship with ballast?
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:43 pm

I love the look of RC ships. I can't wait to sail on the beast.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:33 pm



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
Would it not be safer to load the ship with ballast?

even easier to just tow it under the bridge then attach the chimneys at the other end.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:56 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
The cost of these telescopic chimmneys and the use of them this one time only will be 12 million NOK...

Not once but twice she has a sister ship, Allure of the Seas, I'm sure they will be transported back to Finland and used again. I wouldn't be surprised if they have used them on the previous Freedom Class vessels which are only 1.5 meters shorter.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:22 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):

I was on the Carnival Dream in Monaco 2 days ago - small world.

I do enjoy these super liners and the Dream is beautiful inside. Was a great cruise and Monaco is always a pleasure to visit.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:59 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
I wouldn't be surprised if they have used them on the previous Freedom Class vessels which are only 1.5 meters shorter.

I recall reading for the Freedom class ships the "full speed ahead" treatment to pass the bridge was adequate,
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:28 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
Not once but twice she has a sister ship, Allure of the Seas, I'm sure they will be transported back to Finland and used again. I wouldn't be surprised if they have used them on the previous Freedom Class vessels which are only 1.5 meters shorter.

No, they just pased under the bridge at full throttle and at low tide.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:52 pm

Why didn't they pass the Øresund? There the height wouldn't have played a role.

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Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:08 pm



Quoting CurtisMan (Reply 12):
I was on the Carnival Dream in Monaco 2 days ago - small world.

So that was you out there on the Ship?  alert 












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Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:29 pm



Quoting Pelican (Reply 15):
Why didn't they pass the Øresund? There the height wouldn't have played a role.

Only 57 metres of clearance under the Øresund Bridge.

IIRC Finland made a bit of fuss about both bridge (Øresund and Great Belt) back in the day, since their ship- & oilrig-building industries would be limited in terms of how big they could build.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:49 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 1):

Taking advantage of the same conditions that caused the grounding of the QE2 off Massachusetts in 1992 in waters deeper than her keel!

The terminology for this effect is "squat", and it is even more effective when the water depth is not much greater then the vessels' draft.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- The captain will pass at full throttle ( 140 000 horse power ), wich will lower the ship even further down in the water.

Would it not be safer to load the ship with ballast?

It would take an ENORMOUS amount of ballast to lower a vessel of that sizes' highest point by a meter or more! (The displacement on these ships is nearly beyond belief)

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 10):

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
Would it not be safer to load the ship with ballast?

even easier to just tow it under the bridge then attach the chimneys at the other end.

I'm no engineer, marine or otherwise, but from going to college with a whole crapload of them (of the marine variety) I believe you basically have to have a funnel of some sort in order for everything to function properly - however I could be fully and completely off base on this point  Smile
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:12 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 17):
Only 57 metres of clearance under the Øresund Bridge.

Øresundsbroen is for sure too low, but there is the gap over the Drogdentunnel where height wouldn't play a role.

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Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:41 pm



Quoting Pelican (Reply 19):
Øresundsbroen is for sure too low, but there is the gap over the Drogdentunnel where height wouldn't play a role.

Not deep enough. The water at the Drogden-tunnel is only 8 meters deep - and the Oasis draws 9 metres  Wink
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:18 pm

The ship will sail from Turku early Friday morning, provided the winds are below 5-8 m/s. (The ship will have to navigate the shallow passage through the archipelago.) The uninterrupted voyage to Ft. Lauderdale will take 11 days at the speed of 18 knots.


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Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:53 pm



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 4):

I couldn't imagine a better way to take a week-long skirt around the Caribbean.

Perhaps not a skirt around, but I think my next trip to the Caribbean will be spent at Maho Beach, St. Maarten. I hear there's some decent spotting there.  cloudnine 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
I hear there's some decent spotting there.

What on earth gave you that idea?  cheerful 
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:53 pm

Would be cool to stand either on the top floor of the ship or see the action from the bridge.. they could earn some of the money spent on those chimneys if they sold tickets for the event.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:05 am

I am surprised it has taken this long for someone to mention that this thread is worthless without pictures!  hissyfit 
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:16 am

So, slightly OT, but can someone explain ship squat to me? Why does it happen?
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:02 am



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 24):
Would be cool to stand either on the top floor of the ship or see the action from the bridge..

I'm fairly sure that the last person who will be able to stand on the bridge and wave at a ship, without getting in serious trouble, was HM The Queen.

And I just have to get that story in here, while we're at it. The date was June 14, 1998, and Her Majesty had just inaugurated the bridge and was on her way across the first of the two bridges, when she spontanously had her driver pull over the car. She then got out, walked to the railing and dropped a bouquet of flowers down on the upper deck of a ferry named after her father, King Frederick IX.
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):
So, slightly OT, but can someone explain ship squat to me? Why does it happen?

It's the same thing that makes an airplane fly: Bernoulli's Principle.

More about it here.
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:36 am

I am very concerned about these new superships for pax and freighters. We have seen many terrible situations as to supertakers of oil if something goes wrong. Is there a point of too big like the Titanic was in it's time?

Already as this ship indicates, some ports are already being cut off from major ports due to bridges like the one in this intial post as well as for freighers for Port Elizabeth/Newark, due to clearance restirctions of the Bayonne Bridge. That means $2-3 Billion from taxpayers for a new bridge or lose business of many more billions. This new ship may not be able to enter NY Harbor as exceeds the clearance of the Verrizano-Narrows Bridge under certain conditions. They you also have channel limits. To make the channels deeper is a seroius problem as it stirs up a lot of heavily polluted silt.

I also find these super pax ships totally ugly, like building laying on their sides, not grace to their lines. I am concerned that in some conditions, like for access to emergency boats may be seroiusly comprmised by the huge size of these ships. I hope my fears don't come true, but maybe we need to rethink that bigger is better.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:33 pm



Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 25):
I am surprised it has taken this long for someone to mention that this thread is worthless without pictures!

Let's see if this one sticks.

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Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:56 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
So that was you out there on the Ship?   

I was indeed onboard that ship then walking around Monaco!

I'm enjoying this thread. I like the idea of speeding up the ship to make it go lower in the water to pass under the bridge. There used to be a commercial on tv for a car that would be stopped at a metal bar - it was just slightly lower than the roof - so if the car were to pass under, the bar would scrape the roof. The car pulls away and then comes speeding up to the bar so fast that it lowers down a few centimeters and passes under the bar.

Same idea.

MadameConcorde - I should have popped up to say howdy to you when I was in Monaco!

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Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:06 am

According to info on a Finnish maritime forum, the ship was due to sail 6:45 today Friday, with the forecast winds favourable 2-6 m/s. I'm guesstimating the Danish straits will be reached early Sunday, which would also be a fine time to close the bridge for traffic.


Traffic status on the The Øresund Bridge:
http://uk.oresundsbron.com/page/127

Some pics taken along the ship's building:
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:12 am



Quoting CurtisMan (Reply 31):
MadameConcorde - I should have popped up to say howdy to you when I was in Monaco!

Definitely!

Any of you making stops in Monaco on your cruises, send me a private message ahead of time we can arrange a meet-up. I will be happy to show you around.

Tomorrow we have Vickie Cunardival coming in. I want to be there really early morning in the dark to see her arriving as she is going to dock at the pier. This is such a rare occurrence that I must see it. Maybe the Monaco Port Authority will change their mind and leave her out there at sea. I hope not.

I am sure Captain McNaught is such an expert he can dock her at the pier.
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:25 am

It's announced the ship will call Southhampton, but will not moor there, ETA 12:30 Nov 02.
Arrival in Ft Lauderdale is scheduled at Nov. 11.

Tracking info: (with tests and escape drills going on, the ship's not currently making progress)
http://aprs.fi/?call=oasis%20of%20the%20seas&mt=m&z=NaN&timerange=3600

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Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:51 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
This new ship may not be able to enter NY Harbor as exceeds the clearance of the Verrizano-Narrows Bridge under certain conditions.

The thought of a ship too tall to pass under the Veranzano Narrows bridge makes me a little dizzy, having sailed under it myself in a relatively small boat.





The vertical clearance is 228 feet mlw.
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:55 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Tomorrow we have Vickie Cunardival coming in. I want to be there really early morning in the dark to see her arriving as she is going to dock at the pier. This is such a rare occurrence that I must see it.

Hopefully you will bring your camera with you and share with the rest of us? Big grin
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:42 pm



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 36):
Hopefully you will bring your camera with you and share with the rest of us?

Oh yes definitely. I hope the ship will be accessible close-by. Captain Ian McNaught better dock her at the pier providing that the Monaco Port Authority authorize it. It has been done once before, only I was away on a Singapore Airlines A380 spree. I just looked at the sea, it is totally flat and calm so it may be a good sign.  goodvibes 
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
I am very concerned about these new superships for pax and freighters. We have seen many terrible situations as to supertakers of oil if something goes wrong. Is there a point of too big like the Titanic was in it's time?

Interesting point, Oasis of the Seas lifeboats take 370 people most cruise ships have a maximum of 150 per lifeboat, it's going to take a while to load them, here's hoping if something happens the ships goes down slowly.
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:01 pm

So this is approximately what it will look like when the ship passes below the Storebælt bridge:

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Quoting HangarRat (Reply 35):

The vertical clearance is 228 feet mlw.

Out of curiousity, are you sure it is MLW vs MLLW? As a former hydro person, we always reported MLLW to NOS...

Abbreviation definitions for those who don't know...

MLW = Mean Low Water
MLLW = Mean Lower Low Water
NOS = National Ocean Service, part of NOAA
NOAA = National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration

After writing that, hopefully you were actually referring to mlw as I perceived it  Wink

I'm not sure I'd ever want to be on a ship that only cleared any bridges structure by that small of a margin....
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:13 pm

Impressive! That is one monster cruise ship!

As to Vickie, she is delayed. She will be here on the 2nd of November, Monday morning, early arrival at 7.00 AM wih an early departure at 5.00 AM. I will get up at the crack of dawn and go ship hunting at an early hour in the morning. I must be there before she arrives, not after.  Big grin
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:22 am

The Oasis is almost a totally new ship, she is not a simple growth variant like the Freedom class is to the Voyager class. This ship will be a head turner where ever she goes and where ever she stays.
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:32 am

Gonna try to get pics of her arrival in Lauderdale. Should be able to make it after work.
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:47 am



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 38):
Oasis of the Seas lifeboats take 370 people most cruise ships have a maximum of 150 per lifeboat

raises a couple of questions..
With possibility of over 8000 people on board, what do the last 1500 or so do?(or is that the traditional- go down with the ship number since Tiatanic?)

What if the circumstances that cause the use of the lifeboats also make some of them unusable.. fire, listing etc.

Never seemed like enough since the first time I read about the ship.
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:16 am

The ship is 40 % bigger than any other cruiseship...
 
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:08 am

I will have to check and see if this mega-ship is programmed in Monaco next year. New Lizzie will visit here on her maiden voyage. I am not sure about Oasis. I will have to find out. They will probably send her in the Carribean rather than the Med.

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Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:44 am



Quoting Averageuser (Reply 32):
According to info on a Finnish maritime forum, the ship was due to sail 6:45 today Friday, with the forecast winds favourable 2-6 m/s. I'm guesstimating the Danish straits will be reached early Sunday, which would also be a fine time to close the bridge for traffic.

According to danish media the ship will pass the bridge at 2130 danish time tonight.
The bridge will not be closed for traffic.


Below is a picture of how a ship looks after a collision with storebælt bridge.
This accident was a result of a drunk captain.

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Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:10 am



Quoting JCKastrup (Reply 47):
According to danish media the ship will pass the bridge at 2130 danish time tonight.

Will there be a livecast anywhere on the internet from the bridge when the ship sails under it?  Confused
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:00 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 48):
Will there be a livecast anywhere on the internet from the bridge when the ship sails under it?

I haven't heard of anything like that. It will probably be too dark to see anything anyway.
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