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Israeli Navy Captures Hezbollah Bound Weapons

Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:31 pm

Wednesday morning local time, a ship carrying weapons to Hezbollah (apparently from Iran - according to Israeli News) was captured 100 miles west of Israel, near Cyprus and was towed into Ashdod Port.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/wo...eeast/05israel.html?_r=1&ref=world

The has been under watch since leaving it's home port and was captured without force by soldiers from "Shayetet 13".

Update: According to an official statement by the IDF, the crew of the ship had no knowledge that this is what they were carrying. The weapons were inside the containers and hidden. This is against UN Resolotion 1747.

On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

[Edited 2009-11-04 06:45:59]
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:12 pm



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
Israeli Navy Captures Hezbollah Bound Weapons

Very sad news indeed .But how do they know it belongs to Hezbollah

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:58 pm



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

Do Americans not get to see enough pro-Israeli propoganda?
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:01 pm



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

They are now. Maybe taking the time to get the story sorted out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8341737.stm
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:06 pm



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

They aren't carrying stories about the burgeoning relationship between Iraq and Iran courtesy of the US either, but who cares anyway??
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:18 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Do Americans not get to see enough pro-Israeli propoganda?

Don't worry, I am sure if it was something Israel did wrong, the BBC would have been all over it.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:33 pm



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
This is against UN Resolotion 1747

And Israel always follows UN resolutions. This is not to defend Hezbollah but Israel is the last country to say anything about UN resolutions.
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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 6):
And Israel always follows UN resolutions. This is not to defend Hezbollah but Israel is the last country to say anything about UN resolutions.

well said sobhi couldn't agree more !
If Israel cares about the UN resolution 1747 ,they should stop overflying Lebanese airspace

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:24 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 1):



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 1):

How is this sad news?? Any more weapons like the ones found on the ship could only do more harm to the region. If they ended up in Lebanon or Syria, because I bet their destination was somewhere in the area, they would probably be used in confrontations with Israel in future. As a result, this would once again harm the entire region.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting N537FX (Reply 8):
How is this sad news

Sad news for peace ! I will spend Christmas in BEY

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:38 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 9):
I will spend Christmas in BEY

Will be there also.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:13 pm



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

I don't understand what you don't understand.
It is just weapons that suppose to kill Israeli civilians. What is the problem here?
If it was the other way around, …

The world's media doesn't report what is done to us so everybody are so surprise when we act to stop it.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:39 pm

it was on prime evening news ARD1 in Germany and they also showed footage of the weapons.

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 1):
Very sad news indeed .But how do they know it belongs to Hezbollah

I don't understand either why this is sad news. Everyone except those punks who intend to use the weapons should be glad that Israel was successful in seizing the weapon containers.

One could have the impression that some people don't want peace in that area.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:42 pm



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):

Yep, not a single word about it in any media here.. but when it's the other way around, it is most often covered in the media. I wonder why this is?
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:43 pm



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 10):
Will be there also.

Good Sobhi ! BEY is amazing during Christmas,we could meet someday . By the way I hope nothing bad will happen in Lebanon ,sincerely we cant trust both Israelis and Hizbollah,they are simply two faces of the same coin

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:46 pm



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
I don't understand either why this is sad news.

Sad news for peace ! I will spend Christmas in BEY

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:53 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 15):
Sad news for peace !

What do you mean by this? Since these weapons were captured, that puts them out commission and now, they will not be used in an harmful way in Syria/Lebanon.

What would be your views if this cargo arrived at the destination safe and sound? How would that affect peace?
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:04 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Do Americans not get to see enough pro-Israeli propoganda?

On a related note, why do we support either side? Why can't we just withdraw the funds to both sides, tell them they'll get it back when they've put together a realistic peace agreement, and go on about our lives? I don't understand why we keep spinning our wheels and spending on money on two groups that clearly have no desire to ever accomplish anything.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:24 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
On a related note, why do we support either side? Why can't we just withdraw the funds to both sides

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:24 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
On a related note, why do we support either side?

It started partly as an outgrowth of the Cold War. The Soviets propped up the Arabs and we helped the Israelis to ensure that we had an ally in the region and keep the balance of power in check.

And now, we arm both sides. The Egyptians, Jordanians, and Saudis all have plenty of American weapons at their disposal. This continues to keep the balance of power slightly in favor or Israel, but practically guarantees that any war between Israel and the Arabs will not be a rout one way or the other. The prospect of a protracted war makes an invasion from either side much less appealing.

Furthermore, we have the issue of stockpiles. Each side has only a limited amount of arms at their disposal. Essentially, nobody can wage a war longer than a few months at most without US approval.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
Why can't we just withdraw the funds to both sides, tell them they'll get it back when they've put together a realistic peace agreement, and go on about our lives?

Doing that risks having one side gain a decisive advantage and start a war.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
I don't understand why we keep spinning our wheels and spending on money on two groups that clearly have no desire to ever accomplish anything.

Because spinning our wheels is a more attractive option versus having a war. For one thing, spinning our wheels doesn't make gas prices go up.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:35 pm

Quoting N537FX (Reply 16):
What do you mean by this? Since these weapons were captured, that puts them out commission and now, they will not be used in an harmful way in Syria/Lebanon.

OK ...than it's good news

The timing to point out the Israeli annoucement is very interesting
The Israeli army chose to hold a press conference exactly the same time as the UN General Assembly was beginnning its debate on the Goldstone report .
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:55 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 20):
The timing to point out the Israeli annoucement is very interesting
The Israeli army chose to hold a press conference exactly the same time as the UN General Assembly was beginnning its debate on the Goldstone report .

The timing of the press conference was set by the timing of the ship capture (last night) which was set by the ship location. Nothing else.
But it is interesting. When the UN debate Israel's war against terror (to condemn it), the terrorists are getting more and more armed and with this kind of a report, why not?
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:35 pm



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):
The world's media doesn't report what is done to us so everybody are so surprise when we act to stop it.

stop acting like a victim, try living in a refugee camp your entire life and then you might have something to complain about, you can't even put a Palestinian flag up on this website, be thankful that you can at least put your flag up on here.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:40 pm



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):
The world's media doesn't report what is done to us so everybody are so surprise when we act to stop it.

And the Israelis have never, ever even thought about doing something that is legally or morally questionable?  Yeah sure I am not supporting the terrorist acts perpetrated by the Palestinians, but to portray the Israelis as nothing more than innocent victims is not even close to the truth.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 22):
refugee camp

How come Israel was able to absorb and properly take of Jewish refugees? Why can't Arab states handle such an issue properly? With all the money of oil rich nations, and so called "Arab brotherhood" or "Palestinian support" from Arab countries on the whole, why haven't they over past decades done more to improve life in these refugee camps? Supporting the Palestinians is a top priority for the Arab world, however, their "support" does not seem to show. If Israel, with little money and resources in 1948 could take care of a refugee population, Arab countries can do the same.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 6):



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 7):

Do you honestly think Hezbollah will drop their weapons and embrace democracy if Israel settles their issues with Lebanon? Iran is arming and using Hezbollah to fight a proxy war, which makes their true agenda very clear. Those weapons were not only intended for Israel, but they were also intended for use inside Lebanon as well.

The cat is out of the bag. Iran has no intention of playing nice with the IAEA or anybody else.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:07 am



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

Are you really wondering why ? The editors considered some points :
- is the story really correct ?
- who says that the weaponry really was for Hizbullah ?
- who says that there really were ANY weapons on board before Haifa arrival ?
- why didn't Israel not invite the int'l media to meet the captured ship in Haifa ?
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and so rather tried to avoid a "press duck".
 
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Quoting N537FX (Reply 8):
How is this sad news?? Any more weapons like the ones found on the ship could only do more harm to the region. If they ended up in Lebanon or Syria, because I bet their destination was somewhere in the area, they would probably be used in confrontations with Israel in future. As a result, this would once again harm the entire region.

A) if the stuff really was for Hizbullah, it is not sad
B) if the stuff was for the Lebanese army or the Syrian army, it would be piracy
C) "somewhere in the area" is not an acceptable criteria
D) "somewhere in the area" but not with Hizbullah would not harm the region
E) the regular armed forces in the area do not depend on such routings -- back to pt A)
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and now, what is the positive conclusion of the affair ? It is that the Lebanese army and the UN forces apparently quite sucessfully broke the previous supply route of the Iranians via Damascus Airport via Lebanese territory to H.-dominated areas. So that supplies have to be routed via the seas.

and if the story is correct, what is the positive conclusion nr 2 ? That the Israelis apparently have established an information-network able to keep up on such ventures.

End of the story ? I hope that it was not a fake ................
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:26 am

Quoting N537FX (Reply 24):
How come Israel was able to absorb and properly take of Jewish refugees?

because they do this...

Palestinian Homes Destroyed By Israeli Police (by N1120A Nov 1 2009 in Non Aviation)

seems odd to me that Iran would send weapons on a route that they know would be subject to Israeli naval inspection.

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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 22):
stop acting like a victim

The kids of Sederot were victims. For six years we let the Palestinian fire on them thousands of rockets and we didn't stop it.
If the world's media was reported everyday about every rocket and show the impossible situation these kids lived in, the world was not asking when we started the campaign in Gaza why we are doing it but why we waited so long. I want to see just one country in the world that let some of its citizen to live with thousands of rocket on their head and won't do anything to stop it.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 22):
try living in a refugee camp your entire life and then you might have something to complain about,

What do you think we didn't have refugees?
When Israel was just born and the gates opened, tens of thousand Jew refugees came from Europe and Arab countries to Israel. Where do you think they lived?
Do you think we had houses to any of them?
They lived in a refugee camps (not that we called it that name but this is what it was).

Today you can't see Israeli refugees? Why? Because we rehabbed everybody.

Why didn't the Palestinians do the same?
Why nothing was done before we even enter the West Bank and Gaza strip (we didn't always been there).
Do you want to tell me it wasn't Jordan / Egypt job? Fine, I have no problems with that.
Let's move on. We entered in 1967 and since we are evil we didn't do it too.
But in 1993 the Palestinians Authority was created. Israel withdrew from any populated area in the GS and with the years also from most of the WB. Why not a single Palestinian was rehabbed now? NOT A SINGLE ONE.
Who fault is that? Do you know how much money the PA received exactly for that purpose? How come Arafat's widow is so rich? At some point the donor countries started to ask where the money is and when they didn't get an answer, the money flow stopped. Who fault is that?

The simple Palestinian man probably didn't choose it for himself but his leaders (PLO and Hamas) did do it and this is his problem, not mine. This is their choice to keep living like that (and allow me to remind you that Israel completely withdrew from Gaza more than 4 years ago). If it gets better, who will care? This is how they sell themselves. They don't really have a reason to get things better.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:49 am



Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
For six years we let the Palestinian fire on them thousands of rockets and we didn't stop it.

...and absolutely everyone who lost their life or their home to the Israelis was a hardcore terrorist. Yeah, we know and the American media tells us every day.

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
When Israel was just born and the gates opened, tens of thousand Jew refugees came from Europe and Arab countries to Israel. Where do you think they lived?

...on land they took from the Arabs that had been living there?

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
Do you think we had houses to any of them?

No, you destroyed the houses.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:13 am



Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
This is their choice to keep living like that (and allow me to remind you that Israel completely withdrew from Gaza more than 4 years ago).

remind me again who controls the incoming and outgoings of Gaza...

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
do you think we didn't have refugees?

you really want to go here?

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
Where do you think they lived?

let me guess, they built their own houses? I hope you can detect sarcasm...

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
Today you can't see Israeli refugees? Why? Because we rehabbed everybody.

mainly in other peoples houses, tell the full story about the settlements instead of glossing over...why didn't you mention the thousands of Jews who were living in Gaza for 38 years in illegal settlements? 38 years is a half-lifetime.

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
The kids of Sederot were victims. For six years we let the Palestinian fire on them thousands of rockets and we didn't stop it.

for um-teen years the people who were firing at the kids of Serdot were prisoners too, you reap what you sew, its unfortunate but true.
 
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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 31):
remind me again who controls the incoming and outgoings of Gaza...

To Egypt it is not us.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 31):
let me guess, they built their own houses?

Yes, they came and an hour latter they built their homes (before sunset). They lived for many years in a tin houses. A "house" you didn't want to live in, summer or winter.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 31):
mainly in other peoples houses, tell the full story about the settlements instead of glossing over...

No, we rehab them long time before that (but keep fool yourself).

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 31):
for um-teen years the people who were firing at the kids of Serdot were prisoners too,

Nice to see you can find excuses for that firing.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:10 am

I have yet to see some constructive comments from the usual individuals that wouldn't mind if Israel suddenly disappeared. Last time I checked, there was already a thread about the Palestinians.

Oh, and this story has been picked up by the entire mainstream media now.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
The Egyptians, Jordanians, and Saudis all have plenty of American weapons at their disposal.

They also buy from the Russians and the Chinese.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
This continues to keep the balance of power slightly in favor or Israel

They have their own interests to protect (themselves), rather than worrying about Israel or NATO. This is a totally different ball game now. The extremists are gunning for every country in the Middle East that isn't run by Mullahs.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 27):
B) if the stuff was for the Lebanese army or the Syrian army, it would be piracy

A. Neither countries claimed that it was
B. When did Iran suddenly start backing the Lebanese government?
C. Why would the weapons have to be smuggled if they were legit sales?
D. Iran sells weapons to Syria on a regular basis, without any difficulties.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 28):
seems odd to me that Iran would send weapons on a route that they know would be subject to Israeli naval inspection.

What makes you think this was the first time? I doubt any land route is safe, given that Israel has no problem conducting airstrikes anywhere they want.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:54 am

There's another aspect to this, if that was a legitimate arms transport for a legitimate army, like Syria, the arms would not have been transported on a commercial ship in regular sea containers declared at "freight all kinds" or whatever the smugglers declared to the shipping line,"machinery parts" is very a popular mis-declaration.

Missiles and other arms are dangerous goods and have to be declared as such. Only vessels and companies with special permits can carry such shipments legally. If I were the Captain of that ship, or the vesssels owner, I would have some nice talk not only with the ships agents but also with customs and port authoritis at the port of loading.

Good to see that Israels intelligence services did a splendid job on surveilling this transport.

And, if I were Lebanese, I would congratulate them as well, because Israel spoiled an arms deal between a criminal government and a band of terrorists in south Lebanon, or Gaza, wherever that was bound.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:50 am



Quoting TheCol (Reply 25):
Do you honestly think Hezbollah will drop their weapons and embrace democracy if Israel settles their issues with Lebanon? Iran is arming and using Hezbollah to fight a proxy war, which makes their true agenda very clear. Those weapons were not only intended for Israel, but they were also intended for use inside Lebanon as well.

The cat is out of the bag. Iran has no intention of playing nice with the IAEA or anybody else.

Show me one quote where i was embracing Hezbollah. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are as much hinder to peace as Israel with all those settlements.

Quoting Avi (Reply 32):
To Egypt it is not us.

You got to be kidding.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 34):
And, if I were Lebanese, I would congratulate them as well, because Israel spoiled an arms deal between a criminal government and a band of terrorists in south Lebanon, or Gaza,

I agree if this is true.

Quoting Avi (Reply 32):
Nice to see you can find excuses for that firing.

Avi, can we agree that firing at civilians is wrong but both sides are guilty of that?
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:52 am



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 34):
Good to see that Israels intelligence services did a splendid job on surveilling this transport.

You sound like someone talking about Monaco and not Israel .Do you think that Israel occupied Palestine,Lebanon and Syria with Tulips from the Netherlands and chocolate from Belgium


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Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:32 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 36):
ou sound like someone talking about Monaco and not Israel .Do you think that Israel occupied Palestine,Lebanon and Syria with Tulips from the Netherlands and chocolate from Belgium


well, you sound exactly like someone who does not want peace in the Middle East to become reality

The tiny little step Palestinians have to make is the unconditional acceptance of the state of Israel and Israels right to exist. I am sure that the majority of the Palestinian people actually ant that, but their so called leaders don't let them and rather keep them in "refugee camps" instead of integrating them into society. Arafat was that little step away from signing at Camp David and Clinton failed to convince him. Arafat would have been killed on arrival home by his own body guards.

Hamas and Hezbollah have to face reality, Israel is real. If they don't accepot that, they should not complain about the bloody noses they get each time they enter into a confrontation with Israel.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:18 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 36):
You sound like someone talking about Monaco and not Israel .Do you think that Israel occupied Palestine,Lebanon and Syria with Tulips from the Netherlands and chocolate from Belgium

This statement of yours in response to PanHAM has nothing to do with Israel's intelligence find. What does occupation have to do with with intelligence uncovering a arms smuggling ship?
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:53 pm



Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
I want to see just one country in the world that let some of its citizen to live with thousands of rocket on their head and won't do anything to stop it.

I would like to see one country in the world that kept would-be citizens behind walls and allowed a large minority population to remain in poverty conditions that didn't suffer ill effects or instability. Your country is unstable because it can't handle its demographic makeup properly, history be damned. Your country is also unstable because the government can't handle extremist Israelis who insist on seizing land that doesn't belong to them in the name of some ridiculous religious calling that flies in the face of the basic tenets of Judaism. When people are second class citizens they get pissed off - this phenomenon knows no cultural or national boundaries.

Further, do you expect miracles of generational growth from people who have to wait two hours or more of their day to get through checkpoints while other Israelis go about their daily business with no such hinderance?? Your points about Arafat and his wife are fair but they'd be more fair if you admit the corruption in your own government as well - graft is not limited to the PA.

Quoting Avi (Reply 29):
Today you can't see Israeli refugees? Why? Because we rehabbed everybody.

This is absurd. Did they get consent to live on the land they took from the previous residents, creating a new class of refugees? Just curious.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:54 pm



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 35):
You got to be kidding.

The truth is difficult, right?
There is not a single Israeli soldier on the Gaza-Egypt border. I wish I could say there is not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza but unfortunately there is one (and only one) and not because he or us want him to be there.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 35):
Avi, can we agree that firing at civilians is wrong but both sides are guilty of that?

Firing on civilians is wrong but there is a huge difference if civilians are getting hurt by a deliberate fire on them (like the Israeli civilians) or because they are being used as a body guards like the Palestinians (even if they don't want to) and they are not deliberately targeted.
Hamas uses its own people as a body guard. They put there explosives and rockets in a civilian houses in crowded places with many kids around it. During the campaign in Gaza early this year the Hamas leadership hide itself in the basement of Gaza hospital. Again, they used there own civilians as body guards. When you do that, innocent civilians are getting hurt.
Can you tell me how many Palestinians were killed not by Israeli bombs but by Hamas explosive? Can you tell me how much damage Hamas explosive did to Palestinian property when they exploded? Strange that nobody looked into it. But why should anyone do it? Let's blame Israel and that's it.

If you think Hamas should get immunity because of that (while they don't stop targeting Israeli civilians, you are wrong).

Yes, there were also few cases of wrong identification but it also happened to us (Israeli forces fired on Israeli forces). Shit happens in war.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:04 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 39):
Your country is also unstable because the government can't handle extremist Israelis who insist on seizing land that doesn't belong to them in the name of some ridiculous religious calling that flies in the face of the basic tenets of Judaism.

The really curious thing, Aaron, is that your interlocutors are leaping up and down for joy while one possible conclusion from the land occupation and seizure plan starts to play out as the odds swing from a two state solution to a single state having to accommodate the current Jewish population plus a large and growing Islamic population and a Christian minority while looking forward to having to arrive at equal rights for all three parties within what could well turn out to be an inconveniently short time. If I were they, I would be worrying about something different.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:28 pm



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):
well, you sound exactly like someone who does not want peace in the Middle East to become reality

That's because you don't know me well  Wink

Quoting N537FX (Reply 38):
This statement of yours in response to PanHAM has nothing to do with Israel's intelligence find. What does occupation have to do with with intelligence uncovering a arms smuggling ship?

You'll Have To Forgive Me Your Highness.Than Why are they smuggling arms ? Is it for Carnaval ?

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Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:43 pm



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 42):
That's because you don't know me well Wink

well, that's the benefit of an anonymus forum.  Wink

However, sometimes the pictures shown in a a profile tell more than a thousand words. I would not want to live in a society that is ruled by the likes shown in your profile. We were able in Germany to send those to hell in a part of our country 20 years ago.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:30 pm



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 43):
I would not want to live in a society that is ruled by the likes shown in your profile.

What are you talking about  Wink
I am peace lover

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Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:36 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
Because spinning our wheels is a more attractive option versus having a war. For one thing, spinning our wheels doesn't make gas prices go up.

So why don't we reduce our support to every nation in the area to the equivalent of one stick, so to speak, rather than expensive weapons and aid? They'll still be in a stalemate but instead of missiles pointing at each other it'll be sticks. Also, since the Dems want gas prices to go up anyway, why not kill two birds with one stone?
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:45 pm



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 43):
However, sometimes the pictures shown in a a profile tell more than a thousand words. I would not want to live in a society that is ruled by the likes shown in your profile. We were able in Germany to send those to hell in a part of our country 20 years ago.

There must be something you see that i don't. Please clarify.

Quoting Avi (Reply 40):
There is not a single Israeli soldier on the Gaza-Egypt border

You do not have to be there to be in control.

Quoting Avi (Reply 40):
Firing on civilians is wrong but there is a huge difference if civilians are getting hurt by a deliberate fire on them (like the Israeli civilians) or because they are being used as a body guards like the Palestinians (even if they don't want to) and they are not deliberately targeted.

I am and will not defend Hammas, but the history of Israel is full of what you call mistakes where a lot of civilians are killed. Bahr ElBAkar school, Abuzaabal factory both in Egypt, Deir Yassin etc... Should i say more?
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:05 am



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):
If it was the other way around

Yes, indeed!

There has always been a serious double-standard when it comes to how Israel defends herself.
Every other country in the world holds her to a different standard JUST because she is Jewish.
Israel is the ONLY member of the U.N. not allowed a chair on the Security Council. That says a lot about the intentions of the U.N. Israel has few friends there.
It is a shame Israel didn't just blow that ship out of the water.
Under the circumstances, any other country would have.

Hey, Avi, don't pay too much mind to the posts on this thread, as I notice the usual group of anti-semites have come out from underneath their rocks, to spew venom.
We all know who they are, anyway.
Whatever.
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:01 am



Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 47):
Hey, Avi, don't pay too much mind to the posts on this thread, as I notice the usual group of anti-semites have come out from underneath their rocks, to spew venom.

As usual when we do not agree you come with the anti-semites accusation. Is this the best you can do? None of us are against the Jews we are against cruel and inhuman actions by Israel. Try to understand this for a change.
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RE: Israeli Navy Captures Hezbollah Bound Weapons

Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:06 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 39):
wait two hours or more of their day to get through checkpoints

Tough beans. Waiting at checkpoints is better than having suicide bombers running loose. Its inconvenience, yes, but things could have turned out differently if the Palestinians or other Arab states set up ways to crack down on terrorists. Why is it that the Israelis have a central united government that oversees affective institutions that can run a country, while the Palestinians have yet to make any progress on that issue? If the Palestinians want their state to be credible and run properly, they simply need the right people involved in government, and all the Palestinians, Hamas and Fatah need to realize this. Is that so hard, to have a moderate government?

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