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Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:25 pm

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rn-pelosi-and-perriello-in-effigy/

WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States. I think it's despicable, but I think their biggest problem is that this will backfire. The more people see Tea Party people doing stuff like this, the less people will be willing to engage in their events, even if they are like-minded with their politics.

What do you think?
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:36 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I think that.....

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States

.......sums it up nicely.

A ridiculous stunt that has no place in civilised society.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:39 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States. I think it's despicable, but I think their biggest problem is that this will backfire. The more people see Tea Party people doing stuff like this, the less people will be willing to engage in their events, even if they are like-minded with their politics.

Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice. Let me enlighten you: http://zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Personally I agree that burning Pelosi in effigy is not a good idea. But don't pretend that Republicans/Conservatives/Moderates are the ones that have dragged down the level of discourse. Should I also drag out all the official Democratic party fund-raising letters that call opponents "nutcases", "redneck teabaggers", and "whackjobs"?
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:40 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I think that it is the healtcare plan that is despicable..
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:45 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice

Hmm, I don't recall reading anything like in this thread so far......
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:51 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Hmm, I don't recall reading anything like in this thread so far......

Let me refresh your memory...

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States.

"Now" implies that this is new. "Wow" Implies that this is somehow a surprise.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:57 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
"Now" implies that this is new. "Wow" Implies that this is somehow a surprise.

Come on, that's a bit of a stretch. Thread was started about this particular incident, why must people here so often take a view and extrapolate and assume to the nth degree? It gets a bit silly sometimes.
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:09 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Personally I agree that burning Pelosi in effigy is not a good idea.

Then why do you start off by attacking the other extreme?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
ut don't pretend that Republicans/Conservatives/Moderates are the ones that have dragged down the level of discourse.

I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Should I also drag out all the official Democratic party fund-raising letters that call opponents "nutcases", "redneck teabaggers", and "whackjobs"?

It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:17 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Yeah, that's real classy.  Yeah sure

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
But don't pretend that Republicans/Conservatives/Moderates are the ones that have dragged down the level of discourse.

If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:31 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):

Come on, that's a bit of a stretch. Thread was started about this particular incident, why must people here so often take a view and extrapolate and assume to the nth degree? It gets a bit silly sometimes.

It's called speaking English.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

If it's not republicans/conservatives/moderates who are attending the tea parties, who do you think they are? Buddhists?

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

It is equally offensive.

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

Sounds kinda like "You're either with us or against us". Nice show of intolerance - unless they agree with your solution of solving the country's problems by spending mountains of money we don't have and instead proposing austerity, then they are the enemy.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:36 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
It's called speaking English.

No, it's called putting words in people's mouths and assuming they hold opinions they might well not. It's almost the exact opposite of speaking English, attaching meanings to words that have not been intended or expressed. Still, it must be difficult seeing every single issue only in terms of right or left, republican or democrat. Believe it or not, human beings and the beliefs and opinions they hold are often a great deal more varied and complex than that.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:46 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Sounds kinda like "You're either with us or against us". Nice show of intolerance - unless they agree with your solution of solving the country's problems by spending mountains of money we don't have and instead proposing austerity, then they are the enemy.

Actually, my point was that regardless of who actually started the disintegration of public discourse in the country (and it's been going on for so long that I don't think anyone can put a decent claim to it), everyone has an obligation to try and correct it. And those who disregard that, regardless of their affiliation, aren't helping.

But thanks for putting words in my mouth and making it seem like I think anyone who opposes Obama is no better than a terrorist.  Yeah sure

Also, you might want to revisit what "intolerance" means. Hint: it doesn't mean that you can't disagree with something.

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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:50 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

It's an organized rally and composed of 100 or so participants. If anything, it is Pelosi's side that is oppressing a democratic right.

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

Sometimes, this is what it takes to make one heard. No disagreement can be solved one- sided.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:55 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
No, it's called putting words in people's mouths and assuming they hold opinions they might well not. It's almost the exact opposite of speaking English, attaching meanings to words that have not been intended or expressed.

Oh, crap! He said it, and you are trying to argue that he both did not say it and it doesn't mean what it says. Give it up dude.

Back to the subject. Here is why people are upset with Pelosi, even more than with Obama and Ried. The country has a realistic chance to vote those guys out eventually, and we can get around to trying to repair the damage. But Pelosi is like a case of Herpes - we'll never get rid of her because of the district she is from is as loony as she is - she'll stay until she wants to retire. That is the source of frustration with her.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:00 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Oh, crap! He said it, and you are trying to argue that he both did not say it and it doesn't mean what it says. Give it up dude.

No, you took his words and extrapolated them to respresent a position he never stated. Never mind though, if you have to resort to such turn of phrase as 'oh crap' here then I guess there is no hope of an intelligent conversation anyway.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice

Those words were not spoken. You stated them. Nobody else. He commented on the actions of the Tea Party people.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:01 pm



Quoting Rightrudder (Reply 12):
Sometimes, this is what it takes to make one heard.

Since the whole country knows about the Tea Party people (and they have at least one, and arguably more than that, major supporters on major cable networks), I have a hard time believing that they really need to do this in order to have some relevance.

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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:13 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

If it's not republicans/conservatives/moderates who are attending the tea parties, who do you think they are? Buddhists?


Not all republicans, conservatives and moderates are tea party people. Clearly I'm not attacking those that aren't going to tea parties.

It's not hard, dude.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

It is equally offensive.

Baloney. I can't believe you can fit your lips to say that even. Calling someone a nutcase and burning someone in effigy are so distant from each other that even you could not possibly believe that. It just shows that you will stop at nothing to win an argument.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:18 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice.

Yet, when ANY group would speak out against Bush or the GOP, all those in opposition were called terrorists, un-American and those currently against the GOP are being called Nazi, communist, socialist and marxist and still being called un-American by all the right-wing supporters.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Should I also drag out all the official Democratic party fund-raising letters that call opponents "nutcases", "redneck teabaggers", and "whackjobs"?

Using those terms against the teabagger movement is completely different than what you are suggesting: that anyone opposed to the Dems are being called names.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
we'll never get rid of her because of the district she is from is as loony as she is - she'll stay until she wants to retire. That is the source of frustration with her.

Have you ever met anyone from SFO? Like every other district in this nation, they run the gamit from the loonacy that you believe she is to the bobble heads for the GOP you believe everyone should be. I think what you mean is: she reperesents all of those in her district well and, because of that, she will stand for re-election as long as she wants. The fact that she is Speaker of the House is irrelevant. People, especially the teabaggers and right-wing talking heads, always forget that. The house could, at any time, vote her out of the position. And, if the GOP wins a majority, she will not be speaker anymore. So, what are you complaining about? She has no real power. She gets one vote in the house, just like her other 434 collegues. How many people have been jumping on Boehner's butt for making silly comments and leading an anti-whatever it was rally last week? None. Why? He has no more power than Pelosi.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
I have a hard time believing that they really need to do this in order to have some relevance.

The heads of the teabagger movement have seen that their group has been out of the news for too long. They need to keep the teabaggers in the news so they can stay relavant.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:24 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
I have a hard time believing that they really need to do this in order to have some relevance.

I'm pretty sure that this will push a lot of people who agree with their policy goals away because they don't want to be associated with such nutcases.
 
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:43 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
One is burning a puppet, and one is calling people names. Neither advances the discussion, but neither one actually hurts anyone.

Um... burning someone in effigy is symbolizing killing that person! You don't see that?

Would you say that hanging a fake body from a tree in the South is the same as calling someone a name? You don't think that hurts anyone? Get real. You're just arguing to be arguing at this point.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
Your own repeated use of the "teabagger" moniker

The Tea Party people have used that word themselves from time to time.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:45 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
I'm pretty sure that this will push a lot of people who agree with their policy goals away because they don't want to be associated with such nutcases.

That is the risk they take, but nobody forced them to put on such spectacles.

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Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:07 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
I'm pretty sure that this will push a lot of people who agree with their policy goals away because they don't want to be associated with such nutcases.

That is the risk they take, but nobody forced them to put on such spectacles.

Well, I didn't know much about this until it was posted and now I am beginning to see the light. For that I thank you.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:53 pm

Well, it isn't dignified, but I have to say I can't think of a better target in the current fight against socialized medicine.

But somebody needs to tell them that to kill a witch like Pelosi you need to drop a house on her or sog her down with a bucket of mop-water.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:03 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

In fact, burning someone in effigy is a quick way to get called a nutcase.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):

If it's not republicans/conservatives/moderates who are attending the tea parties, who do you think they are?

Most of the teabaggers definitely aren't "conservatives." I would hardly call a whack job like Glenn Beck a "moderate" either.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):

Sounds kinda like "You're either with us or against us".

I am sure you supported that when Bush the Lesser said it.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:06 pm

What I really don't get about the people who say it's no different than calling someone a name is that burning someone in effigy is a violent act. Violence and politics do not mix.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:09 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
Violence and politics do not mix.

Ask Michelle Bachman and her "a little revolution is good once in a while" or whatever policy.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:26 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):

What do you think?

I can only assume you were born in the last two years.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:33 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 26):
Quoting D L X (Thread starter):

What do you think?

I can only assume you were born in the last two years.

Isn't it amazing what two years can do? I mean, it was only two short years ago that anyone protesting were called all sorts of names and were told that supporting the president is patriotic. Now, all of a sudden, speaking out against the president and Congress and anybody that even hints of a left-leaning agenda is patriotic and anyone who dares support any of these left-leaning voices is un-American and a threat to the Constitution. My, how quickly we forget!
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:34 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):

In fact, burning someone in effigy is a quick way to get called a nutcase.

Agreed there.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
sog her down with a bucket of mop-water.

LOL, that's something I'd love to see someone try.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Most of the teabaggers definitely aren't "conservatives." I would hardly call a whack job like Glenn Beck a "moderate" either.

A slash can mean either/or, not just and. To borrow a term from liberals, the Tea Party movement is inclusive.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
I am sure you supported that when Bush the Lesser said it.

In the context in which it was said, yes. Look it up - bush never intended it to apply to individuals, but to foreign states.

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
What I really don't get about the people who say it's no different than calling someone a name is that burning someone in effigy is a violent act. Violence and politics do not mix.

Burning a puppet is a violent act? Against who, the puppet? Should the puppet bring charges of assault & battery? Is burning a tire a violent act, or a torch? Sure, it's ugly and I don't condone it, but c'mon...
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):

In the context in which it was said, yes. Look it up - bush never intended it to apply to individuals, but to foreign states.

Either way, it was a terrible policy and further ignited a storm of hatred in this country. Or need I bring up all the people who were rounded up for no good reason?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):
the Tea Party movement is inclusive.

Bull.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):

Burning a puppet is a violent act?

Given the historical context of burning effigies, yes.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:42 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):
Burning a puppet is a violent act?

Stop being obtuse. Would you say burning a cross is not a violent act because it's just burning some wood?

Please.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:04 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Most of the teabaggers definitely aren't "conservatives." I would hardly call a whack job like Glenn Beck a "moderate" either.

Then who are the Tea Party people? And I would not call a whack job like Obama a moderate either.
 
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 31):
And I would not call a whack job like Obama a moderate either.

Nothing "whack job" about Obama. And he is far more DLC than he is anything else.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:33 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States

Kind of like trying to ram a health care bill down our throats with no regard for the will of the people?

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
but I think their biggest problem is that this will backfire.

Not really, Pelosi and Obama have probably already lost the votes they need (indepandants and moderates) and will soundly be beaten in 2010 and 2012. All this does is show the disdain of the people since Pelosi and Obama have made it clear they are only going to listen to the far left minority.

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
the less people will be willing to engage in their events, even if they are like-minded with their politics.

It's ok they will speak much louder in the voting booth. Just like in NJ.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 3):
I think that it is the healtcare plan that is despicable..

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What is better is that it will be a huge part of their downfall.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
In fact, burning someone in effigy is a quick way to get called a nutcase

Well Pelosi is pretty much a nutcase so maybe they figure you have to stoop to her level for her to listen.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:44 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice. Let me enlighten you: http://zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/




Sorry DLX, but I never saw a thread where you condemned the burning of Bush's effigy, much less started one.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:44 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):
Kind of like trying to ram a health care bill down our throats with no regard for the will of the people?

Not surprised that you would find violence targetting an elected official equivalent to the legal work of Congress.

I mean seriously, the knee-jerk conservatives on this board such as yourself fail to surprise me at any turn.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):
Not really, Pelosi and Obama have probably already lost the votes they need (indepandants and moderates) and will soundly be beaten in 2010 and 2012

You did not comprehend what I said. I said that this will hurt the Tea Party membership. Reasonable conservatives will not want to be associated with these acts.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:48 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

It is equally offensive.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But Pelosi is like a case of Herpes - we'll never get rid of her because of the district she is from is as loony as she is - she'll stay until she wants to retire.

I'm reminded of that old saying regarding practicing what you preach...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):
In the context in which it was said, yes. Look it up - bush never intended it to apply to individuals, but to foreign states.

And yet it was more often than not applied to individuals rather than to foreign states.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:59 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 35):
Not surprised that you would find violence targetting an elected official equivalent to the legal work of Congress.

I mean seriously, the knee-jerk conservatives on this board such as yourself fail to surprise me at any turn.

LOL, you far lefties always seem to forget your buddy Bill Ayers huh? Don't for a second try to say the far right is the only party capable of violence or threat of it. It's laughable.

Quoting D L X (Reply 35):
Reasonable conservatives will not want to be associated with these acts.

So what? That is a given already. Just remember that a moderate republican like myself or a far right republican will push that same button in the voting booth regardless of the others behavior.
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:15 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):
Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States

Kind of like trying to ram a health care bill down our throats with no regard for the will of the people?

How many "third world banana republics" do you know that offer their citizens government sponsored healthcare? Or are you actually implying that Canada, the EU, Japan, etc. are "third world banana republics".

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):
Not really, Pelosi and Obama have probably already lost the votes they need (indepandants and moderates) and will soundly be beaten in 2010 and 2012.

I'm sure that if I went back and looked at each thread about Obama or Pelosi, I could find that you've posted this same exact response in each one of those threads. Do you really never tire of repeating the exact same thing over and over ad nauseum?
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:37 pm



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I think you are right that it is wrong to burn Pelosi in effigy or in any other form. I hope they decide to change their minds. However, your comment that:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States.

seems hollow if you don't include groups that burned President Bush in effigy a few years ago as well. If all of the sudden it's wrong then it sounds partisan and gosh you don't like it when people assign that label to you.
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:41 pm



Quoting OA412 (Reply 38):
Or are you actually implying that Canada, the EU, Japan, etc. are "third world banana republics".

No just that we don't want to give half our paycheck back to the government like they do.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 38):
Do you really never tire of repeating the exact same thing over and over ad nauseum?

Truth hurts huh?
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:16 am

I bet for sure woman's groups (like NOW) and other Democrats will speak out about this attempt to act in such a hateful matter toward Congresswoman/Speaker of the House Pelosi. You know if they did it as to Pres. Obama, people would be rounded up and jailed by the Secret Service. The Secret Service could take similar actions as to this planned form of protest of Pelosi as she is also covered by Secret Service protections due to her position. While such a form of protest may be legal as to free speech it does advocate an act of violence as to a Federal Elected official. Maybe they can be arrested for an illegal fire.

Some involved in these TEA groups have displayed racist, violent and hate filled commentary as to Sen. Reid, Pelosi, Pres. Obama and others in their protests. Yes, some 'liberal' groups have done similar things as to the Bush 43. That is wrong too and should have faced some legal actions as well or actions by fellow protesters to remove or tone down such displays of hate. Still, it seems that the TEA party types have gone to a much more organized level supported such hateful speech. Let us hope that some TEA leaders start to take actions to discourage such displays as planned and others as hateful speech will hurt their otherwise legal right to protest and the desired attention for their cause.
 
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:48 am

Whatever. Let the tea partiers do it. It's not illegal, and it's just a pathetic attempt to get attention and blow some smoke. Reasonable people on both sides of the equation aren't going to be influenced by something so ridiculous anyway.

Of course, since reasonable people in this country are a significant minority, I can understand the concern behind this...
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:35 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
You know if they did it as to Pres. Obama, people would be rounded up and jailed by the Secret Service. The Secret Service could take similar actions as to this planned form of protest of Pelosi as she is also covered by Secret Service protections due to her position.

Rounded up? Good God man, this isn't China!

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
it does advocate an act of violence

No, it does not. This was decided back in the flag-burning days.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
Still, it seems that the TEA party types have gone to a much more organized level supported such hateful speech.

Two words. Weather Underground.
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:38 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):

Quoting OA412 (Reply 38):
Do you really never tire of repeating the exact same thing over and over ad nauseum?

Truth hurts huh?

Your opinions and interpretations are not necessarily the truth.
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:05 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
Some involved in these TEA groups have displayed racist, violent and hate filled commentary as to Sen. Reid, Pelosi, Pres. Obama and others in their protests.

Agreed, and such things do not represent their cause well.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
Yes, some 'liberal' groups have done similar things as to the Bush 43.

Same thing as above.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
That is wrong too and should have faced some legal actions as well or actions by fellow protesters to remove or tone down such displays of hate.

Actions by fellow protestors, sure, but I'd be very hard pressed to take legal action against someone for holding up a tasteless sign unless that sign specifically advocates violence against someone. As people everywhere keep proving on a regular basis, it's not illegal to be stupid.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
Let us hope that some TEA leaders start to take actions to discourage such displays as planned and others as hateful speech will hurt their otherwise legal right to protest and the desired attention for their cause.

Hope if you like, but don't hold your breath for it to happen. Loud things sell.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 43):
Two words. Weather Underground.

Four numbers. 1980. Because that was the last time they were around.

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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:12 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 45):

Four numbers. 1980. Because that was the last time they were around.

I am well aware, but to suggest that this particular protest is the first and worst highly organized one is just plain wrong.
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:31 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):

No just that we don't want to give half our paycheck back to the government like they do.

You don't think you do already ace? Our government just taxes more quietly, and in a more regressive way. Not to mention the massive "taxes" American business pays to health insurance companies.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):

Well Pelosi is pretty much a nutcase so maybe they figure you have to stoop to her level for her to listen.

And just how is Pelosi a nutcase? Oh right...you have nothing.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):

Kind of like trying to ram a health care bill down our throats with no regard for the will of the people?

Um, lets see:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...a17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/1034253.html

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/...-public-option/UPI-55041256619076/

And that is just the first 4 that come up on Google.

Anyway, I don't like this health care bill either. It doesn't go far enough.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 37):
that a moderate republican like myself

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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:39 am



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 44):
Your opinions and interpretations are not necessarily the truth.

No but we can resume this topic on election night 2010 and go from there.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
You don't think you do already ace? Our government just taxes more quietly, and in a more regressive way. Not to mention the massive "taxes" American business pays to health insurance companies.

True but we are still far below the tax wedge they and Sweden pay.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
And just how is Pelosi a nutcase? Oh right...you have nothing.

Her actions alone on the health care issue show she is but since you feel the same about it you wouldn't see it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
Um, lets see:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...a17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/1034253.html

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/...-public-option/UPI-55041256619076/

And that is just the first 4 that come up on Google.

Anyway, I don't like this health care bill either. It doesn't go far enough.

Hmm maybe you should have posted REAL data? The polls you linked are horribly biased and not reliable. Rasmussen, who is the most respected pollster seems to not agree with you.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ.../september_2009/health_care_reform
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RE: Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:46 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 48):
The polls you linked are horribly biased and not reliable. Rasmussen, who is the most respected pollster seems to not agree with you.

Rasmussen is only the "most respected" pollster for those who pretend FOX News is "fair and balanced." Also, the following line is pretty indicative of said polling:

" The fact that results are so subject to change based upon minor differences in question wording suggests that voters do not have firm opinions on the public option."

Voters don't even really know what the public option is, but most polling shows they support it in some way.

If you asked me if I supported the current health care plan, I would say no too. See how polling can skew things?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 48):

True but we are still far below the tax wedge they and Sweden pay.

Not particularly. Hence why American large manufacturing can't compete anymore.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 48):

Her actions alone on the health care issue show she is but since you feel the same about it you wouldn't see it.

Actually, I disagree with the Pelosi health care plan.
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